BUSH WON FAIR AND SQUARE...

Frank- I am absolutely delighted by your post. Now is the time to put away rancor, and for all of us to work together to keep this nation great.

Atually, I'm not a democrat, I'm a thinker and I vote both ways, I'm more of a Republican with my ideology, just not a radical extremist like the Bushies. The one thing I DESPISE in politics is abuse of power, no matter which side it comes from. I was part of a group which led to the ousting of our state Speaker of the House, a democrat. There were a LOT of republicans in the effort who were against him just because he was a democrat, I was not against him because he was from another viewpoint, but because he ABUSED power, same as Bush & his cronies.

We finally got the Feds to investegate his redistricting (sound familiar) to rid seats of his opposers. He finally resigned in leiu of a federal investegation and prosecution. I am going to fight against the Bush administration as well, as I believe they have abused their power EVERY step of the way. It's something I feel strongly about and I am not going to change my train of thought just because of the public opinion.

Hell, probably only 1/10 people in the US actually knows what politics is about and how it works, it's not like everyone is informed, it's just the opposite. It isn't reality that matter, just the perception of reality and it's truly a sad day for democracy.

Moral values were the thing people were concerned about? we are at war, running deficits, and giving government money away to corporate intrest, yet people say moral values matter to them. It just goes to show you the rest of the country doesn't have a clue.

While I do not think for a minute that Frank wanted Bush to win, I have long suspected his daily diatribes were more tongue in cheek than heartfelt. At any rate I do appreciate his magnanimity even as I'll miss him on the forum. Nobody has said 'moron' for three days. I sorta miss it.

Moron.

LOL. Thanks Squinney

you have however, reelected one.

according to Drudge the last couple of days, the British press has been smearing our president big time since the election. My opinion of them of course is less complimentary than they are of our president as if it was any of their business and as if they had a clue.

The Daily Mirror: A large pic of Bush with this caption: "How can 59,054,087 be so dumb!"

The answer for me clearly is: Isn't it odd how the one guy in the formation thinks he's doing it right and everybody else is out of step?

bump

In any insane society the one sane man must appear as insane.

Thanks for the many responses...especially from the several with whom I've crossed swords with so much passion these last few months.

BOTTOM LINE: Hoping that a president...any president...falls on his/her face...is like hoping you fall on your face yourself. The people who feel the sting of a failed presidency...or a failed government...are the people...not the failures.

Nothing has changed in me...and I hope nothing has changed in the people who opposed George Bush during the campaign. I still think the ideals and values we stand for...are better, in the long run, for humanity. But the rancor inherent in a campaign has no place...or at least a reduced place...after the election has been decided. It was that kind of thing during the Clinton years that rankled me so much.

George Bush and the conservatives have a difficult job ahead of them. I hope they get it done. They have, as I noted in my introductory remarks, control of the institutional forces. That excuse is no longer available to them. They will be judged by what they achieve...not excused for what was thwarted by those evil "liberals."

In many threads over the years, I have mentioned that I personally have never seen a cloud so black...it had no silver lining. The silver lining in this victory (which, I'm sure you all understand in my heart of hearts IS a black cloud)...is that the conservative agenda will rise or fall on its own merits.

If it is up to the job...I may consider voting that way myself next election.

If it is the paper tiger I suspect it may be...I and many others who will see the light...will send it packing.

Frank is it okay to have NO faith that this administration will succeed or has ANY concern for the people it represents as long as I wish them well?

Hell yeah. It is okay to hope that they fall flat on their asses if you choose.

I just think it makes more sense to hope (perhaps against hope) that our country improves rather than slides further downhill.

I suspect Bush will be filling lots of vacancies among his advisors.

I HOPE the people replacing the ones going serve the nation better.

so Frank are you saying the Bush admin is so far down the only alternative is up?

Nope!

Obviously, I think this country is in serious trouble...and equally obviously, I think the conservative agenda...particularly as interpreted by George Bush...is a large part of the reason it is.

But one of the major reasons I am not participating in the Political threads for a while is that I want to stay away from that kind of thinking for now.

I've looked in on a couple of threads, Dys.

They are going nowhere...and bearly qualify as discussions.

During the Silly Season...that seemed to be okay with me...and I do not have to remind anyone posting in this thread that I was a big part of the "going nowhere."

But this thing has been decided...and those of us who think the decision was wrong have to make the most of it.

I don't intend to be quiet when I see things I consider detrimental to humanity...and I certainly will not counsel anyone else to be quiet either.

But I am taking no more pot shots!

I understood that to be your meaning edgar, which is why I appreciated the comment.

It was honest.

I think you do tend towards generally gentlemanly conduct in this forum, but that really wasn't the point was it?

I suspect Colin Powell will soon be off to 'spend more time with family'.

Is it okay, Frank, to be afraid?

It is okay to be terrified, if you want! :wink:

Hey Frank, who you taking this week (knockout)?

Still up in the air, Bill.

I have the Giants available...and they are MY TEAM.

But they tend to win games they are supposed to lose...and lose the ones they are supposed to win.

I'll make a decision later tonight.

Sorry to interrupt your thread, but I was curious who you selected last week too, though it didn't matter.