Civil Disobedience

ebrown_p wrote:

What do you have against socialists?

If you believed in democracy, you'd think you would accept our right to express our views in our free nation. Our nation is supposed to be a Christian nation. As Jesus is the most prominent socialist teacher it seems that people wouldn't have such a hang up.

What gives?

You have every right to express your views and it is my right to express mine. My problem with Socialism is that it punishes the success of an individual in the interests of others. This is folly. This is wrong. From January 1st to mid June, I work my ass of as an indentured servant to the U.S. government. I have spent nearly half my life working to pay the government. Why? For what? What has the Welfare system cured? What does Socialism do besides try and bend people to fit in the Standard Human Mold that the Socialists have contrived. I can guarantee you that I place my families welfare far above the needs and wants of society. I can provide for them far better than any government, but government makes that difficult to do when they tax me like they do. I cant help but feel that that is their goal.

Furthermore, and this may sound weird to some, but Socialism mitigates or denies The Right to Fail. How do you expect anyone to grow and learn when the consequences to ones actions are irrelevant, because there is always a safety net. Where is the incentive to succeed when that success is punished? Do you really think Pride is an adequate motivator? Failure leads to an examination of said failure and, theoretically , a different strategy on the next go around. It is evolution of thought. I would not be where I am today without that right.

Government cannot dictate humanity. Socialism is contrary to human nature. We are not equal as individuals. The only similarity is biological. The only thing equal about Socialism is that everbody is equally miserable.

I for one believe in a controlled capitalism, which allows entrpeneurs to make more money, but does not allow monopolies and deregulation (deregulation is always pushed to the public as a way to cut the amount we pay, but ends up in higher prices than ever). One side wants us to pay more than we have in foreign adventures while the other wants a full blown welfare state. For me the answer is somewhere in between.

Anyway Cy, keep on keeping on. The more libs like you continue to underestimate the passion for conservative ideas in flyover country, the longer libs like you will live on the fringe.

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It has been taken over by the bible-thumpers these last 20 years or so, but eventually people will wake up to the fact that the same politicians who thump said bible start wars which kill thousands of people, and lower taxes so the rich can continue to maintain their luxurious lives at the expense of the poor, and realize that these are not biblical values.

My husband said yesterday that altho' they had never spoken about it, he was certain that his sister, a very religious woman, had voted for George Bush. I don't want to believe it because she appears to be an intelligent woman but the simple fact that he has been promoted as a religious man, and ONLY this, may have prompted her to vote for him, with no thought or consideration about anything else. It's outrageous, to say the least. How does one blind themselves to so much and then cloak it in the name of God? And when will these people realize that the values above, the illegal war, the killing, the stealing, the lying, are not Christian values? Do you think they will ever see the light? This passed Tuesday makes it seem highly unlikely.

A CNN/Gallop poll published this morning in USATODAY say 57% of the nation is satisfied with the results of the election 39% dissatisfied with 4% no opinion. It appears the country is giving Bush a pass, at least for now.

OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Red Zone
By MAUREEN DOWD

Published: November 4, 2004


With the Democratic Party splattered at his feet in little blue puddles, John Kerry told the crushed crowd at Faneuil Hall in Boston about his concession call to President Bush.

"We had a good conversation," the senator said. "And we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need, the desperate need, for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together. Today I hope that we can begin the healing."

Democrat: Heal thyself.

W. doesn't see division as a danger. He sees it as a wingman.

The president got re-elected by dividing the country along fault lines of fear, intolerance, ignorance and religious rule. He doesn't want to heal rifts; he wants to bring any riffraff who disagree to heel.

W. ran a jihad in America so he can fight one in Iraq - drawing a devoted flock of evangelicals, or "values voters," as they call themselves, to the polls by opposing abortion, suffocating stem cell research and supporting a constitutional amendment against gay marriage.

Mr. Bush, whose administration drummed up fake evidence to trick us into war with Iraq, sticking our troops in an immoral position with no exit strategy, won on "moral issues."

The president says he's "humbled" and wants to reach out to the whole country. What humbug. The Bushes are always gracious until they don't get their way. If W. didn't reach out after the last election, which he barely grabbed, why would he reach out now that he has what Dick Cheney calls a "broad, nationwide victory"?

Michael Moore isn't the ringleader of anyone... and if you think he is, it just shows how far out of touch you are with what people on the left side of the fence really think....

I don't think most on the right would point to MM as a leader of the left, Bill. A film maker and demagogue, for sure, but certainly not a leader.

It has nothing to do with the left/right general opinion, and everything to do with your incorrect opinion about what those on the left think.

Cycloptichorn

Just ignore him, cyclo. Life's easier that way.

Yep, stick your head in the sand and disenfranchise yourself.

Republicans are good at diverting attention from real issues, such as homing in on Michael Moore. Strangely, many Democrats let them highjack threads this way. I hope it doesn't happen here.

C. Focusing attention on the religious right, as much of this thread has done, is about as productive shouting at the rain. No change will come from attacking the Republican Base. Ridiculing it will alienate moderates as well as many other free thinkers, who don't think "nuttiness" is inherent in religious beliefs. Failure to recognize this in a country as religious as this, is grounds for irrelevance in itself.

There may well be a need for civil disobedience today… and I'm not pre-programmed to laugh. But; it isn't because John Kerry didn't win. And it isn't because George Bush did. It is because Ralph Nader never stood a chance. But that train doesn't run on these tracks.