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@Finn dAbuzz,

I guess my point was more about name calling. Demented is a subjective term... it is an insult. I am here for intelligent discussion on topics that interest me. The mud slinging is a waste of time.

If someone isn't worth engagung, walking away isn't a moral obligation. It is simply the logical thing to do (although sometimes there is fun to be had playing with them a little).

The mud slinging here makes this site less enjoyable.

I would never follow a member around to insult his intelligence on multiple threads. First of all, if he really was that stupid there would be no point to following him around. Stupid people do have a right to their opinions too, who am I to judge. Opinions of stupid people don't threaten me. It is the opinions of smart people that I must respond to when I disagree with them.

This is why I wouldn't do such a thing. I would feel it would be too pathetic.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I guess my point was more about name calling. Demented is a subjective term... it is an insult. I am here for intelligent discussion on topics that interest me. The mud slinging is a waste of time.

As far as I can remember, my use of the term demented had been limited to describing liberalism as a demented ideology.

I consider this to be a factual claim, and not subjective.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
I guess my point was more about name calling. Demented is a subjective term... it is an insult. I am here for intelligent discussion on topics that interest me. The mud slinging is a waste of time.

As far as I can remember, my use of the term demented had been limited to describing liberalism as a demented ideology.

I consider this to be a factual claim, and not subjective.

That makes it very difficult for you and I to have an intelligent discussion. But ok, I accept that.

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@maxdancona,

You call what you were doing in the thread you started "intelligent discussion", Max.

Amazing.

Is this your new place of refuge?

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

describing liberalism as a demented ideology.

I consider this to be a factual claim, and not subjective.

Surely it could only "factual" if every single "liberal" (as defined by whom?) had been medically diagnosed with a form of dementia?

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@camlok,

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You call what you were doing in the thread you started "intelligent discussion", Max.

Yes. I was accepting your premises without argument, and then asking questions to see if a consistent narrative developed. This is a pretty standard form of intellectual exploration; saying "given that these things are accepted as true, what are the consequences".

One of the reason that I haven't considered the 9/11 conspiracy theory as worth my time is because I have never found an alternate explanation that made any sense to me. That thread was an opportunity for you (or anyone else) to convince me I should reconsider my beliefs by providing me with one. Instead of taking this opportunity, you launched into a series of personal attacks that have spanned multiple threads now.

Yes, exploring premises and asking questions (without personal attacks) is what I call "intelligent discussion". Apparently you disagree. I am OK with that.

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@maxdancona,

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Yes. I was accepting your premises without arguing, and then asking questions to see if a consistent narrative developed.

How you can lie like that when you provided the evidence against yourself, Max. Amazing!

"I don't look at propaganda videos, ... . "

You were focused on inane questions that you developed to focus attention away from the very points that show the official story is impossible.

That's not anywhere near intelligent discussion. A physics major who won't discuss physics.

That's not anywhere near intelligent discussion. Nor does it illustrate what a physics major should be doing.

A physics major when met with the impossible free fall of a building should not be screaming about "the planes, the planes!"

That's not anywhere near intelligent discussion.

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@camlok,

Do you notice that I am disagreeing with you without attacking you personally Camlok? If disagreeing with you, or choosing not to engage with you on a particular line of argument that doesn't interest me makes me unintelligent, than so be it. I am not here to convince you of my intelligence.

And if I am not intelligent enough to accept what you are saying... than so be it. That's life. You are going to have to accept that there are many people on the internet and off who aren't going to see how right you are. Going around insulting everyone doesn't change anything.

You may have notice by now Camlok, the world is full of people who are either to stupid or to stubborn to see that you are right. I hope that you learn to accept this fact, insulting us doesn't change anything.

The personal attacks accomplish nothing. That is my main point on this thread.

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@maxdancona,

Another lie, but a slightly more deceptive one, Max. You know that your thread was a clear attempt to ridicule. You have never jumped in and told the official story folks to stop with their slurs, to focus on the science, to discuss intelligently.

Have you?

And what is so amazing, you continue with this long pattern of ridicule when it is the official story, your position, that is so outlandishly crazy.

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@maxdancona,

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And if I am not intelligent enough to accept what you are saying... than so be it.

You claim to be a physics major, Max!

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@camlok,

You got me Camlok,

Not only am I one of the millions of people who are too stupid to see that you are right... I am also ridiculing you.

On another topic, have you heard that I hate women?

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@maxdancona,

Just try doing the science, Max. Are you or are you not a physics major?

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@camlok,

You seem to not understand what we are doing here Camlok. There is absolutely zero chance that I am going to change your mind about 9/11 (correct me if I am wrong about this). And there is zero chance that you are going to change anyone else's mind.

We are here mainly for entertainment. It is a chance for us to debate ideas that interest us, and challenge other ideas. You can't force anyone to debate you on any given topic... any more than anyone can force you.

Think about this, it is kind of important... because other wise you aren't going to enjoy your experience here. (And this is true for Girlie and everyone else).

I told you I have a Physics degree. I am not going to scan my Diploma for you, you are going to have to either believe me or not believe me. It is your choice (and it doesn't really matter to me).

If you choose to not believe me simply because I disagree with you about what Newton's third law means (even though I am pretty sure you are wrong), that is your choice. If you choose to believe me (and I am telling you the truth) there is a chance that I might be able to teach you something about Physics that may even help your argument. Of course, even if I have a Physics degree... I can't force you to listen to me even if I know that I am right. I have to accept that you aren't going to listen to what I have to say.

We are all here by our choice because this Forum amuses us. If you are here to force people to accept how right you are, or even to force people to listen to you on a topic they don't care about... you are just going to get frustrated.

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@centrox,

centrox wrote:

Surely it could only "factual" if every single "liberal" (as defined by whom?) had been medically diagnosed with a form of dementia?

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=demented&sub=Search+WordNet

I'm using either definition #1 on this page, or a very strong version of definition #3:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/demented

As for methodology I merely look at the horrible things that liberals do.

Liberals are always condemning America and supporting terrible dictators, trying to violate everyone's fundamental human rights, and I strongly suspect many of them of inwardly cheering for the 9/11 attacks. Then there is their hatred and mean-spiritedness against anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint.

I find it to be an absolutely hideous ideology.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

That makes it very difficult for you and I to have an intelligent discussion. But ok, I accept that.

I don't perceive any difficulties.

I actually consider you to be one of the few good liberals. I'd count the typical liberals as being the people who exercise mass vote-downs here on a2k.

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@maxdancona,

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You seem to not understand what we are doing here Camlok. There is absolutely zero chance that I am going to change your mind about 9/11 (correct me if I am wrong about this). And there is zero chance that you are going to change anyone else's mind.

You most assuredly could change my mind, Max. With science. Not with silly questions that don't come anywhere close to a reflection of a guy who has a physics degree. You can't see your huge disconnect.

You have been doing everything that is the antithesis of science. Why do you focus on the inane and ignore the deep discrepancies in the official story?

And you suggest that the science presented by the Truth movement has all been refuted, but your idea of a refutation is to review the three, expanded to four or five inane questions. Why?

It is science to put forward those refutations. What you have been doing is not at all of science. You only have to look at the support that receives from oralloy to see that. You only have to include some foot stamping in your refutations to make them as good as oralloy's.

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@maxdancona,

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If you choose to not believe me simply because I disagree with you about what Newton's third law means (even though I am pretty sure you are wrong), that is your choice. If you choose to believe me (and I am telling you the truth) there is a chance that I might be able to teach you something about Physics that may even help your argument. Of course, even if I have a Physics degree... I can't force you to listen to me even if I know that I am right. I have to accept that you aren't going to listen to what I have to say.

So use it already! When, I mean if you put forward a scientific argument I will address it. You have not yet done so.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Liberals are always condemning America and supporting terrible dictators, trying to violate everyone's fundamental human rights, and I strongly suspect many of them of inwardly cheering for the 9/11 attacks. Then there is their hatred and mean-spiritedness against anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint.

That is pure subjective comment. Troll.

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@centrox,

Is this the first time that you have noticed this from oralloy, Centrox?

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@centrox,

centrox wrote:

That is pure subjective comment.

Aside from the part where I voiced suspicions of their inner feelings, it was all a factual list of their actual deeds.

centrox wrote:

Troll.

Nonsense. Condemning bad people for specific misdeeds is not trolling.

And as I recall, you've actually admitted to being a troll.

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