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Weeping and gnashing of teeth

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2004 09:19 pm
I agree it's a recent inversion, but I'm not sure when it happened... thinking... Nancy Reagan, red suits.


well, seems to be recent. I haven't followed political color history, though that might develop into a nifty scholarly thesis of some sort. Or perhaps has been done and done and done again, though not, I don't think, about recent US history.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 02:14 am
in the 50's, the reds threatened the liberty and justice for all americans.

the more things change, the more they stay the same...??
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georgia brown
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 10:41 pm
The democrat party of the 50s, Is todays republican party. Todays democrat is a party acting in concert with socailism , communism. and self interest ...yes self interest. I don't know what happened to the democrats , but they lost me.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 11:07 pm
Lol - well, if you think they are communist or socialist, I am not surprised. I am surprised the republicans are right wing enough for you, though, coming from such an odd scale as you seem to be using.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 07:18 am
georgia brown wrote:
The democrat party of the 50s, Is todays republican party. Todays democrat is a party acting in concert with socailism , communism. and self interest ...yes self interest. I don't know what happened to the democrats , but they lost me.


Some loses are not that bad.

Anyway, we are not in concert with communism or self interest.

communism is ruled by those in power, democracy is ruled by the will of the people and that is what democrats stand for the most. People want social security and health care and public schools which are all paid for with our collective tax dollars to benefit all of us. If there are problems with it then collectively we fix it.

I just hope that now that the republicans feel safe since they won they will try to do the things they want to do openly. Then democrats will have nothing to worry about next election when everything will be in such a mess and it is all the republicans fault and we are not there to be blamed or demonized to take the blame off President Bush and his litany of failures.

The way I see we have two years before any campaigning will be going on in earnest. With the republicans in control of every single office in washington it is only them who will make any news. The republicans are very good at changing the issue by blaming or pointing fingers at everyone else but when there is no one to point at, they will have to finally answer the issues.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:22 am
georgia brown wrote:
The democrat party of the 50s, Is todays republican party. Todays democrat is a party acting in concert with socailism , communism. and self interest ...yes self interest. I don't know what happened to the democrats , but they lost me.


I'm not sure how you can act in concert with socialism, communism, AND self interest.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:25 am
Heh..!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:46 am
Have you folks sufficiently recovered from the vapors that you can endure some commentary from unbelievers?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 10:25 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Have you folks sufficiently recovered from the vapors that you can endure some commentary from unbelievers?


Nah, that's not inflammatory at all.

I'll hug the Republican elephant if you kiss my Democratic <censored>.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 10:58 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Have you folks sufficiently recovered from the vapors that you can endure some commentary from unbelievers?


Come on in george, the water's fine.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 11:11 am
from one believer to another, george..........p!ss off..........lol, not really. We can take it.....but watch out. There's sharks in these here waters.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 11:21 am
Lola wrote:
from one believer to another, george..........p!ss off..........


THAT is why I love Lola.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 11:27 am
Actually, I wish all you 'believers' well. It is difficult to be on the losing side in such a political struggle, and, though I have a distaste for private, exclusive mourning, I would fell lousy about it too. The race was very competitive and the issue could have come out differently.

Back in my squadron days when one of the guys got a particularly bad deal he could depend on one of his buddies to come up, pat him hard on the shoulder and say "well Fred/Sam/Joe, ... tough ****".

It often restored one's perspective.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 11:34 am
Well, george, I see your point about exclusive mourning, but you can imagine how ugly this thread might have gotten by looking at the posts on its counterpart, and imagining how they might have gone over in this one. I still think it was a good idea to keep the gloating in one thread and the mourning in another until we were all ready to behave civilly. But again, I do understand your objections.

And thank you for your well wishes. I congratulate you on your win and hope you enjoy the next four years.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 12:51 pm
Speaking for only myself (really I guess we all do everytime we say something, anyway..) I am ready for the opposition to come in here if they want.

I just like this thread because it seems like a good place to share things that people against Bush are interested in. Speaking of that..


MAN DATES, HEELS, AND ARMAGEDDON
"W.'s presidency rushes backward, stifling possibilities, stirring intolerance, confusing church with state, blowing off the world, replacing science with religion, and facts with faith. We're entering another dark age, more creationist than cutting edge, more premodern than postmodern. Instead of leading America to an exciting new reality, the Bushies cocoon in a scary, paranoid, regressive reality. Their new health care plan will probably be a return to leeches.", dowd

Editorial: According to my dictionary, a "mandate" is a "clear instruction," but the Liarfuhrer did not get a clear instruction from the electorate to carry out his radical policies in 2000, nor did he get a mandate for doing so in 2004. His margin of victory over Kerry was 3 million votes, the smallest margin of victory for an incumbent since 1916 and the smallest margin of victory for a President in a time of war in almost the same number of years. Further, he took the 11 Southern States by 5 million and lost the other 39 states by 2 million. Finally, without Ohio, the Liarfuhrer would have lost the election, and his margin of victory in Ohio was based on the gay-hate vote, the fear vote, and vote fraud by the machines in use. Even using the Liarfuhrer's definition of "mandate," any election in which you win by one or more votes, it's clear that he does not have a mandate to institute flat taxes, to destroy social security, to drive up the massive deficit, and to turn our republic into a theocracy, some of the ideas being pushed by the Bush conservatives in the aftermath.

Since Trent Lott's attack on the gays prior to the Clinton oral sex wars, it's been quite clear that gays have replaced Communists as the whipping boys used to get the Republican foot soldiers to the polls. In Ohio, Bush used gay-hate to get Christian conservatives to the polls to vote for him, and we're not just talking about gay marriage, here:

"In pivotal Ohio...the voters may not have realized it but they voted to strip people of the right to contractually arrange distribution of assets, child custody, pensions, and other employment benefits. They most definitely were not "protecting" marriage; they were attacking gay people. That is why the political and business establishment there, including Republicans, opposed the measure... The incoherence was tactical. Bush knew...he needed to keep his base of bigots happy, too -- hence his campaign's alliance with them at the grass roots in...Ohio. --Thomas Oliphant

Then, in the aftermath the Liarfuhrer calls for the healing to begin, just like he duped the Dems to play along with his radical agenda in 2000. AT his press conference the day after the election, it became clear that Bush's idea of the nation coming together is for everyone who opposes him to back his radical agenda, and for those who don't to be called obstructionists and creators of disunity:

"'Healing' is merely code for shutting up and allowing the President to do whatever it is he plans to do. But we did that for four years. Four years we waited for the President to stop rending this nation apart and be a uniter not a divider, as he promised. Four years we gave him the benefit of the doubt as to his truthfulness. Four years the subservient press went along with whatever he and his minions said; there was almost no investigating, no insisting on substantive answers to important questions, no in-depth reporting on the effect the Bush administration was having on the country. And we kept watching. Now we should 'heal'? I think not. It's ludicrous to even use that word given the state of our country's health care, with 45 million Americans unable to afford medical insurance. Possibly, I've mistaken the spelling of 'heal.' Perhaps what the politicians want from us is not to 'heal,' but to 'heel.' Like subservient pets, we're supposed to be quiet, walk behind them, and continue to obey their commands without question," writes Rosemary Brasch in a Bush Watch essay.

One thing was can count on now that Bush has declared a Man Date and has called for those who oppose him to heel is that the neocon wackos calling for world domination will come out of the woodwork. At Stevens Institute in mid-October I mentioned that I've always thought the Bush missile defense plan was a cover for devising space platforms for WMDs, a far-fetched scheme but well within the realm of Republican neocon thinking, giving what this group has come up with in the last four years.

Now this from The Guardian-Observer:
"Next year's budget for the US Missile Defence Agency includes funding for research into the development of 'space-based interceptors'. Although the funding allocated to develop lightweight ballistic missile parts is only £7.5m, further details have emerged of a more ambitious programme to site weapons in space. Plans for a 'thin constellation of three to six spacecraft' in orbit, which would target enemy missiles as they took off or landed, are planned, according to Theresa Hitchens, vice-president of a Washington-based independent think-tank, the Centre for Defence Information. The document, said Hitchens, signals that the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which outlaws the use of weapons in orbit, will be ignored."


Today's Quip "Well, I've got no job, my kids 've got no health insurcnace, my brother's in Iraq, but thank GOD gay people I don't even know who care about each other won't be able t' get MARRIED ! First things, first !"
http://bushwatch.org/bush.htm

I really wanted to insert the image of the President in "heil hitler" but I couldn't figure out how to do it.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 01:22 pm
http://bushwatch.org/bushheil.jpg
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 01:30 pm
georgia brown wrote:
.....Todays democrat is a party acting in concert with ..... communism.


interesting comment coming from the side that we've recently heard calling for the destruction of the democratic party. while i know that most republicans/conservatives don't feel this way, there are some extremists who are only interested in allowing their views to be expressed. considering that the other parties (including my own libertarian party) are little more than a blip on the radar, that would leave the republican party as the party.

that sounds like communism to me. except when it's facisim, that is.

georgia brown wrote:
I don't know what happened to the democrats , but they lost me.


i could, and have, said the same about the republicans. except i do know what has happened to the republican party.

the republican party's tenets have been blurred by the neo-cons and theocracy happy in much the same way that the tradition of the democratic party has been obscured by extremist parasites such as a.n.s.w.e.r.
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gav
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 01:43 pm
McGentrix wrote:
http://bushwatch.org/bushheil.jpg


Lets try that again George: how many years do you have in office after winning an election?
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 01:53 pm
McGentrix wrote:
http://bushwatch.org/bushheil.jpg




HAIL HITLER!
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 02:11 pm
Shouldn't that read, "HAIL BUSH!"? Rolling Eyes


You buy them books ....
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