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What people have achieved a mythical status?

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2017 08:34 pm
@coluber2001,
See...it's the music not the bloke...music stomped on his fate.
Moreover having your face in a coin is kitsch as hell.
Beethoven's music is mythical the man is just a man.
The cult of personality is a convenient social illusion.
Born smart lucky has no merit...
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2017 09:06 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Not quite so much now, but George Washington held mythical status. Schoolteachers and others invented great feats of strength and honesty, like chopping down the cherry tree and then admitting it, (never happened), and throwing a silver dollar across the Potomac, (also didn't happen).


Hey, Bud! A dollar went a lot farther back then. Everybody knows that.
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2017 10:17 pm
@roger,
How many Native American men, women and children's scalps could ole George buy for a dollar, Roger?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2017 10:32 pm
@coluber2001,
Almost every sports figure.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2017 11:56 pm
The alleged King Arthur--there's not even any reliable evidence that such an individual ever existed. The greatest literary cycle in European history, though.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 12:37 am
@Setanta,
I wonder if he's a myth or a legend. Arthur's a wonderful literary figure.
Eady
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:18 am
@coluber2001,
Mother Teresa.
Despite criticism she has become an iconic symbol of charity and righteousness. A saint even.
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camlok
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 12:09 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
there's not even any reliable evidence that such an individual ever existed. The greatest literary cycle in European history, though.


And history repeats itself - in the "history" of the USA.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 06:07 pm
@camlok,
Then maybe he is a mythic character. I saw the movie "Excalibur" which follows the Arthur myth according to Sir Thomas Malory's story, and Arthur is portrayed as the embodiment of the land. Arthur makes the statement, "the king and the land are one."
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 07:41 pm
Numero Uno from a contemporary perspective: JFK who didn't even have any achievements to give rise to his mythical status.

Charles de Gaulle (not here of course) - Again, for what I'm not sure.

Obama has the potential for such a status, but it's still early.








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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 07:46 pm
@coluber2001,
It's clear that the King Arthur we all think of when we hear the name did not exist, but I suppose it's possible that there is an actual figure upon whom the legend is based. A few movies and books have tried to make such a case, but the connection would be pretty tenuous. Given how iconic the character is, I think he's a pure myth.
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camlok
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 07:47 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:
Arthur makes the statement, "the king and the land are one."


Yes, those are the kinds of statements that stir the hearts of the "golly gee" brainless.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 08:17 pm
@camlok,
Two simple questions and one simple condition:

Who do you admire?

What do you think the world should have done or should do about genocidal, mass murderers with extreme power?

Condition: Please answer the questions without insults or an anti-American or anti-Western screed.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 10:55 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote coluber:
Quote:
Then maybe he is a mythic character. I saw the movie "Excalibur" which follows the Arthur myth according to Sir Thomas Malory's story, and Arthur is portrayed as the embodiment of the land. Arthur makes the statement, "the king and the land are one."


I saw a BBC special where they traced his story. Went all over Britain trying to find the places mentioned. There was a connection to a story in the 600s or so where a local king had one of his sons killed in battle fighting a hated enemy, and the documentary maker said that was the beginning of the Arthur legend.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2017 10:57 pm
Talk about people who didn't deserve their mythical status, here's two: Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie. Two slavemasters trying to make Texas a republic so they legally institute slavery-Mexico didn't permit it.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 07:07 am
@Blickers,
So, lying and making up facts then? There is no evidence that I know of that says Davy Crockett owned slaves. Also your "facts" "trying to make Texas a republic so they legally institute slavery" is really stupid and makes you appear ignorant.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:34 pm
@coluber2001,
I'm 99% certain that he is a myth. There was a post-Roman history of Britain written in the mid-sixth century by a monk named Gildas. He was in a monastery in Brittany, but he said he was born a Briton, not a Breton. He also said he was born in the year of the battle of Badon Hill (the putative Arthur's greatest victory in the later accounts), which helps to tie down the date to circa 493-497 CE. He is one of the best attested historians of a period when written records were sparse. He is quoted by nearly all of his successors, including Bede, Nennius and Geoffrey of Monmouth (the latter being one of history's monumental liars). Gildas tells us about the great victories of Ambrosius Aurelianus, and then tells us about the great victory of the British over the Saxons at Badon Hill (or Mount Badon--mons Badonicus in his Latin text), but doesn't tell us who the war leader was. He says that there were two generations of peace thereafter, and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles do not mention the battle, but that's not surprising if the Saxons got their collective butt kicked. They also don't mention any Saxon victories or expansion for a period of 44 years. Gildas never mentions anyone named Arthur, and certainly does not mention any "King Arthur." As the most important and most uniformly reliable record of post-Roman Britain, that is conclusive evidence to my mind. Britain was littered with people named Arthur in that period, but they were all Irish, or of Irish descent, and almost none of them were active in the period of the battle of Badon Hill.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:36 pm
Davy Crockett was not a slave-owner. He had numerous faults without a doubt, but he was no slave owner.
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:37 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
McGentrix states: Also your "facts" "trying to make Texas a republic so they legally institute slavery" is really stupid and makes you appear ignorant.


McGentrix the "scientist". Scientists are supposed to hold facts and the truth in high regard. Have you lost your license or were you prevented from ever getting one?

How can you be so ignorant of your own country's sordid, evil history?

No need to answer, we all know why. Don't you, all you other McGentrixes?

From the Texas State Historical Association

Quote:

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/yps01

SLAVERY.

Texas was the last frontier of slavery in the United States. In fewer than fifty years, from 1821 to 1865, the "Peculiar Institution," as Southerners called it, spread over the eastern two-fifths of the state. The rate of growth accelerated rapidly during the 1840s and 1850s. The rich soil of Texas held much of the future of slavery, and Texans knew it. James S. Mayfield undoubtedly spoke for many when he told the Constitutional Convention of 1845 that "the true policy and prosperity of this country depend upon the maintenance" of slavery. Slavery as an institution of significance in Texas began in Stephen F. Austin's colony. The original empresario commission given Moses Austin by Spanish authorities in 1821 did not mention slaves, but when Stephen Austin was recognized as heir to his father's contract later that year, it was agreed that settlers could receive eighty acres of land for each slave brought to Texas. Enough of Austin's original 300 families brought slaves with them that a census of his colony in 1825 showed 443 in a total population of 1,800. The independence of Mexico cast doubt on the future of the institution in Texas. From 1821 until 1836 both the national government in Mexico City and the state government of Coahuila and Texas threatened to restrict or destroy black servitude. Neither government adopted any consistent or effective policy to prevent slavery in Texas; nevertheless, their threats worried slaveholders and possibly retarded the immigration of planters from the Old South. In 1836 Texas had an estimated population of 38,470, only 5,000 of whom were slaves. The Texas Revolution assured slaveholders of the future of their institution. The Constitution of the Republic of Texas (1836) provided that slaves would remain the property of their owners, that the Texas Congress could not prohibit the immigration of slaveholders bringing their property, and that slaves could be imported from the United States (although not from Africa). Given those protections, slavery expanded rapidly during the period of the republic. By 1845, when Texas joined the United States, the state was home to at least 30,000 slaves. After statehood, in antebellum Texas, slavery grew even more rapidly. The census of 1850 reported 58,161 slaves, 27.
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camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:39 pm
@Setanta,
Gee, how did you manage to miss the Texas-slavery part? I guess the sheer volume of material, two sentences, must have overwhelmed you.
 

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