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Liberal Elite have NO CLUE

 
 
CoastalRat
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 01:58 pm
Come on Dook, leave my ass out of this. :wink:
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:00 pm
My brother has been in the Army for 27 years. They won't let him retire right now without forefiting much of his pension.

Resign?

Thats not even an option for military personnel.
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:03 pm
[/quote]They truly have been on the wrong side of every major issue we've ever faced as a nation.[/quote]

Like what? Iraq is your obvious reply, but that has been hashed and rehashed over and over agin so please spare me.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:07 pm
Instigate wrote:
They truly have been on the wrong side of every major issue we've ever faced as a nation.[/quote]

Like what? Iraq is your obvious reply, but that has been hashed and rehashed over and over agin so please spare me.[/quote]



Like...

...the initial war of Independence.

American conservatives were the ones arguing that George III was our liege lord...to whom we owed fealty. They claimed the "liberals"...or rebels...were traitors.



Like...

...our American Civil War.

American conservatives were the ones arguing that individual states should be allowed to decide whether or not slaves could be bought, sold, and held.



Like....

...the question of whether or not women should be allowed to vote.

American conservatives were the ones arguing that only men should vote...and only land owning men at that.


I've got more.

But I'm sure you get the idea.
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:09 pm
Magus wrote:
I find it hilarious how so many career military personnel are anti "welfare statist, nanny government".
They collect their checks every two weeks, get told what to wear and have their uniforms bought for them, they have access to FREE Healthcare and shop at the commissary... yet they sneer at the kind of system that feeds and shelters them... totally oblivious to the irony of it all.


Your post is idiotic at best, offensive to many people at its worst. Tell this to a soldier, I wouldnt be surprised if he busted your head open. Military is not the free ride you obviously think it is, to suggest so shows extreme ignorance.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:12 pm
gungasnake wrote:
I own lots of history books


That's okay for the start.

And now, you really should start - after having looked at the pictures - to read them.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:40 pm
Frank wrote:
Like...

...the initial war of Independence.

American conservatives were the ones arguing that George III was our liege lord...to whom we owed fealty. They claimed the "liberals"...or rebels...were traitors.



Like...

...our American Civil War.

American conservatives were the ones arguing that individual states should be allowed to decide whether or not slaves could be bought, sold, and held.


Shocked

... you mean .... there's been a war you approve of?

Hmm. Don't you think more talks, negotiations, summits, etc., were warranted before we rushed to war way back then?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 03:02 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Frank wrote:
Like...

...the initial war of Independence.

American conservatives were the ones arguing that George III was our liege lord...to whom we owed fealty. They claimed the "liberals"...or rebels...were traitors.



Like...

...our American Civil War.

American conservatives were the ones arguing that individual states should be allowed to decide whether or not slaves could be bought, sold, and held.


Shocked

... you mean .... there's been a war you approve of?


Where did you get the notion that I do not "approve" of wars?

Of course there have been necessary wars...and although I don't particularly like the notion of "approving" of them...I certainly recognize their purpose.

As Karl von Clausewitz wrote: "War is not merely a political act, but also a political instrument, a continuation of political relations, carrying out of the same by other means."



But this war we are waging in Iraq is one of the most unnecessary...and ill-advised wars ever!



Quote:
Hmm. Don't you think more talks, negotiations, summits, etc., were warranted before we rushed to war way back then?


Nope.

But I sure as hell think we ought to have tried a lot more of that sort of thing before invading Iraq. But the moron in Chief was in a hurry. He wanted desperately to be a War President.

I hope it loses him the election today.
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Magus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 03:13 pm
Instigate wrote:
Magus wrote:
I find it hilarious how so many career military personnel are anti "welfare statist, nanny government".
They collect their checks every two weeks, get told what to wear and have their uniforms bought for them, they have access to FREE Healthcare and shop at the commissary... yet they sneer at the kind of system that feeds and shelters them... totally oblivious to the irony of it all.


"Instigator" comments:
"Your post is idiotic at best, offensive to many people at its worst. Tell this to a soldier, I wouldnt be surprised if he busted your head open. Military is not the free ride you obviously think it is, to suggest so shows extreme ignorance.


"bust your head open"... There it is, folks, the brutes' answer to everything.
Their answer to political conflict is not dialogue or compromise... their answer is in VIOLENCE.
It's what they do because it's all they understand.

It's no mystery why they despise "intellectuals" and dispense with thought and reflection... opting instead for Gangster Loyalty.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 03:13 pm
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 03:20 pm
Frank wrote:
Where did you get the notion that I do not "approve" of wars?

Of course there have been necessary wars...and although I don't particularly like the notion of "approving" of them...I certainly recognize their purpose.

As Karl von Clausewitz wrote: "War is not merely a political act, but also a political instrument, a continuation of political relations, carrying out of the same by other means."

But this war we are waging in Iraq is one of the most unnecessary...and ill-advised wars ever!


Hmm. The way you began this post, I was fully expecting you to admit that you did indeed approve of both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. At least "approved" in the sense that you considered them to be the "right" thing to do. Assuming, of course, that is the correct implication from your indication that the conservative's opposition to said wars was the "wrong side" of the issue. Which I believe is the proper indication from your clarification of the following point:

Quote:
They truly have been on the wrong side of every major issue we've ever faced as a nation.


But then you did an end-around on me, and stated you might find them "necessary" and "recognize their purpose," but you "don't particularly like the notion of "approving" of them." So I am beginning to sense less conviction from you, at least on these two "major issues," that the conservatives were on the "wrong side." Now I'm not sure what you believe.


Confused

Idea

You've been studying Kerryspeak, haven't you?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:02 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Frank wrote:
Where did you get the notion that I do not "approve" of wars?

Of course there have been necessary wars...and although I don't particularly like the notion of "approving" of them...I certainly recognize their purpose.

As Karl von Clausewitz wrote: "War is not merely a political act, but also a political instrument, a continuation of political relations, carrying out of the same by other means."

But this war we are waging in Iraq is one of the most unnecessary...and ill-advised wars ever!


Hmm. The way you began this post, I was fully expecting you to admit that you did indeed approve of both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. At least "approved" in the sense that you considered them to be the "right" thing to do. Assuming, of course, that is the correct implication from your indication that the conservative's opposition to said wars was the "wrong side" of the issue. Which I believe is the proper indication from your clarification of the following point:

Quote:
They truly have been on the wrong side of every major issue we've ever faced as a nation.


But then you did an end-around on me, and stated you might find them "necessary" and "recognize their purpose," but you "don't particularly like the notion of "approving" of them." So I am beginning to sense less conviction from you, at least on these two "major issues," that the conservatives were on the "wrong side." Now I'm not sure what you believe.


Confused

Idea

You've been studying Kerryspeak, haven't you?


You gotta be kidding me????
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Instigate
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:03 pm
Magus wrote:
Instigate wrote:
Magus wrote:
I find it hilarious how so many career military personnel are anti "welfare statist, nanny government".
They collect their checks every two weeks, get told what to wear and have their uniforms bought for them, they have access to FREE Healthcare and shop at the commissary... yet they sneer at the kind of system that feeds and shelters them... totally oblivious to the irony of it all.


"Instigator" comments:
"Your post is idiotic at best, offensive to many people at its worst. Tell this to a soldier, I wouldnt be surprised if he busted your head open. Military is not the free ride you obviously think it is, to suggest so shows extreme ignorance.


"bust your head open"... There it is, folks, the brutes' answer to everything.
Their answer to political conflict is not dialogue or compromise... their answer is in VIOLENCE.
It's what they do because it's all they understand.

It's no mystery why they despise "intellectuals" and dispense with thought and reflection... opting instead for Gangster Loyalty.


There is nothing intellectual or profound about equating the Military to a Welfare Program. Most Democrats I know wouldnt even be able to make that stretch. You're way out in leftfield somewhere. You havent got a clue.
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Magus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:37 pm
Keep cashing those checks, wearing those uniforms and promoting the "Military dependency" lifestyle.
The Tyrants and the Despots of the world could not survive without their Mercenaries...
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 05:15 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Conservatives has no clue about what Frank??


Damn near anything, Woiyo.

But in your case...and in this particular instance...

...about when to use the word "has" and when to use "have." :wink:


LMAO Very Happy
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 06:00 pm
Instigate wrote:
[There is nothing intellectual or profound about equating the Military to a Welfare Program. Most Democrats I know wouldnt even be able to make that stretch. You're way out in leftfield somewhere. You havent got a clue.


I wouldn't relate the military to a welfare program, but I did make this observation in another thread. Here
Mesquite wrote:
It is interesting to me that liberalism is often equated with socialism and communism when the military is about as socialistic a lifestyle as you can get and still be a U.S. citizen. As a young man entering the military, I was given a place to live, the food to eat, clothes to wear. I was given pay based not on my job duties, knowledge or skill, but on length of service or military rank. I was expected to obey my superiors without question. Individualism was frowned upon; same clothing, hair cut, etc. Just why that type of lifestyle relates to the republican party is worth considering. Sheoples comes to mind, but that would be disrespectful to the military unless you understand that discipline and following orders without question is extremely important in wartime activity and is the major part of incoming indoctrination.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 06:10 pm
CerealKiller wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Conservatives has no clue about what Frank??


Damn near anything, Woiyo.

But in your case...and in this particular instance...

...about when to use the word "has" and when to use "have." :wink:


LMAO Very Happy



Always glad to bring a bit of laughter into your life, CK.

Woiyo seems to go out of his way to provide laughs for all of us, don't ya think!

With him providing the straight lines...I'm a comedy genius. :wink:
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 07:18 pm
That one might be signature material Frank. :wink:
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 07:51 pm
woiyo wrote:
So in Franks opinion, conservatives have no idea about anything?

Very revealing statement Frank. You must consider yourself part of the elite, "know it all" gang. Rolling Eyes


Why would Frank's almost exact words that you started this thread with be an "elite, "know it all" gang type of a thing to say and yours not?
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