Quote:Somalia played to that impression, as did all the many other irresolute and ineffectual foreign policy measures of The Previous Administration.
Which seems to be no match for the ineffectual and utterly failed foreign policy measures of the current administration...
That's your take, Dookie, and you're welcome to it. I hapen to have a different take. It is my conviction that the foreign policies of The Current Administration are both effective and of long-lasting benefit to the interest of overall long-term global liberty, security and prosperity.
Further, I look forward to the continued pusruit of those policies absent the restraints forced on a President by personal considerations of re-election. Over the next 4 years, Bush is going to accomplish much, much more. The inevitable Republican pickups in both Legistive Houses will aid in this measureably.
I'd feel punk'd by association if Kerry were to win, and OBL comes out proclaiming he'd scared us into voting HIS way.
What if the translation is as Timber's analysts say?
Are any of you Kerry supporters concerned about Kerry changing his Iraq policy--or making a mess of the progress in Iraq?
Really?
It is my opinion that the chief concern of Kerry and his supporters is reversing the decline of The Democratic Party. It is my opinion as well that their efforts have been and will continue to be ineffective, due chiefly to the fact their leaders have no idea they are the proximate cause of their party's woes..
Quote:is my conviction that the foreign policies of The Current Administration are both effective and of long-lasting benefit to the interest of overall long-term global liberty, security and prosperity.
That would explain the Iraqi quagmire, the massive deficits and bin Laden alive and well and currently trying to manipulate our elections.
But I guess if you want more of the same, by all means vote for Bush.
Actually, the chief concern of Kerry and his supporters is to fight a smarter war against terrorism, rather than fight a rather unconventional ideological battle with purely conventional means, which so far has been proven to be a dismal failure.
Well, Dookie, its a matter of perspective. I don't see Irag as a quagmire, despite the effort and energy of Mainstream Media to portray it as such. And while The Deficit is not a particularly pleasant thing, in the only terms which matter,, percentage of GDP, the current deficit is not at all out of line with post WWII averages, and while not declining, is not growing as rapidly as either estimates have projected it would or as rapidly as the economy of which it is a part ... this despite a recession exacerbated by foreign attack, the waging of 2 major campaigns in the War on Terror which liberated 50,000,000 people at rtidiculously, historically unparallelled own-force casualties - so far, since 2001, Afghanistan and Iraq combined, US combat casualties amount to less than a couple dozen per State and do not begin even to equal the number of civilian casualties incurred on Sept 11 2001 in Manhattan alone. And then, there is the first democratic election Afghanistan has had in all of recorded history, to say nothing of the upcoming Iraqi election. The world is getting to be a very much safer place, to my mind.
Quote:Are any of you Kerry supporters concerned about Kerry changing his Iraq policy--or making a mess of the progress in Iraq?
Really?
Depends on what you mean by this. Do I think Kerry will allow himself to be intimidated by OBL, and act accordingly? No. Do I think that if at some point new information surfaces that indicates that he should take a different course than the one he has said he would take so far, he would go ahead and integrate that information and act accordingly? Yes. Thing is, I don't think that's a negative.
Just found this ... somebody agrees with my take
Quote:IBD via Yahoo: A Kerry Endorsement
1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Ibd
Election '04: Last week's release of the Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) tape provided some startling insight into the Kerry-Edwards campaign. What we saw is a disgrace.
Itching to make political hay, the Democracy Corps, which works side by side with Kerry-Edwards, took a poll to learn what the Democrats should say about bin Laden's comments.
Why this was even necessary is beyond us. We can only surmise that this is the sort of Clintonesque, finger-in-the-wind leadership that a Kerry presidency would provide. Which is to say, no leadership at all.
But what else can we say about bin Laden's man in this election? That's right: Kerry is bin Laden's choice. No, the mass murderer didn't come right out and endorse the Massachusetts senator. But there's little doubt how he leans.
According to a translation of the tape by the Middle East Media Research Institute, bin Laden warned that any state in the U.S. that "white thug" Bush carries on Tuesday will in effect have chosen to fight bin Laden's al-Qaida.
"We will consider it an enemy to us," says MEMRI's translation, while "any state that will vote against Bush, it means that it chose to make peace with us and we will not characterize it as an enemy."
Got that? If you and your neighbors know what's good for you, you'll vote for Kerry -- an obvious attempt to influence the election.
At least two questions come immediately to mind: (1) Why would bin Laden prefer Kerry? and (2) Will voters let bin Laden corrupt our election the way terrorists swayed Spain's elections last March?
Earlier in the campaign Kerry bragged that foreign leaders preferred him to the president. He declined to be more specific, however. Does the bin Laden tape add another "leader" to Kerry's list of endorsements?
If so, he has hit a trifecta of tyrants -- the other two being the PLO's Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) and North Korea (news - web sites)'s Kim Jong-Il, both of whom have already thrown their support behind Kerry.
We trust voters will keep this in mind on Tuesday. But too many will not. They'll let dislike of the president dictate their actions, even if it means sharing a goal with some of the world's most loathsome characters -- proving again that reason often flees out the back door when politics enters the through the front.
timberlandko wrote: Thomas, old buddy, I share your optimism about tomorrow ... I just look at it a bit differently than do you
The good news is that at least one of us will be happy tomorrow night. Or sometime between tomorrow night and January 20th, anyway.
Got any good cancer jokes ?
I posted this on the other osama thread, but it's relevant here too. The full transcript of the osama tape is here:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0411/S00034.htm
timberlandko:
I see you're reaching yet again...
So very sad.
Oooh, I just hit 1,000! Cool!
And somehow this thread just gets more pathetic with each neoconservative post.
Oh, well, that thrill was short-lived.
Damn Timber,
They gave me a hard time for a relatively
gentle suggestion of endorsement.
What I really get a kick out of, O'Bill, is the anger, meanness, derision, dsimissiveness, and general label-mongerin' that so often meets statements of conservative bent around here. Ain't tolerance, open exchange of viewpoint, and rational discussion on issuessomethin' wonderful to behold?
It sure is Timber! And tolerance and rational discussion on issues is the hallmark of the fine crew we have here commonly referred to as the"right".
Why, I have yet to see meaness and dirisiveness ever displayed by those of the conservative bent.
Never said there weren't wingnuts aplenty on both sides, panzade. Idiocy is peculiar to no particular ideology.
I'm feelin ya Timber! Even the cool people are getting a little rough these last few days. Should get somewhat back to normal on Wednesday I suppose. On the other hand, if Bush wins, does that mean the whining is continuous until 2008?
Or do we get a little break first? (Don't attack Dems, I'm sure some Bush folks will whine if Kerry wins, too, but they aren't the majority around here, so it couldn't be as bad).
I'm thinking Bin Ladin underestimates the American Public. We may not have the strongest stomach when it comes to war, but left and right alike we square our shoulders when threatened. That's my opinion anyway. We'll know tomorrow by this time.
