@Olivier5,
Quote:"In certain instances, firearms were found in some of the vehicles that had completely melted down, and the temperatures that we were told were in the area of 3000 to 4000 degrees, we were told . . ."
You're being dishonest again. You've included a second "we were told" at the end of the quote you copied. He only said it once. Here, I've transcribed the pertinent segment:
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The things of interest that we'd find would be some of the parts of the plane embedded in the cars and in places in which you just wouldn't expect. Um, a part of the fins off one of the turbines off one of the engines was actually found embedded in one of the engine blocks of one of the cars. But I think the most unique thing about this investigation has just been the unbelievable damage; the levels of heat in which in certain instances firearms were found in some of the vehicles that had completely melted down, and the temperatures that we were told were in the area of three to four thousand degrees, that they melted a steel revolver down into a blob of metal again . . ."
So, he is describing things they'd
seen; not heard about. And he was telling what he was
told about what the temperatures in the area were.
Quote:The FBI didn't clean up the WTC site, so even the description of the scene is by force second hand.
After 9/11, 400 FBI agents from around the country were dispatched to New York to look for evidence in the ruins of the World Trade Center. But now a federal investigation reveals that, while they sifted through piles of rubble . . .
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4373627/ns/nbc_nightly_news_with_brian_williams/t/fbi-agents-took-ground-zero-souvenirs/#.WNPemoWcHIU
Quote:Why did you stop your quote right before "we were told"?
Here is the quote I provided:
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In certain instances, firearms were found in some of the vehicles that had completely melted down, and the temperatures that we were told were in the area of 3000 to 4000 degrees . . ."
You're forgetting that it was you who added the extra "we were told" into the actual quote. I left it out because it's not there. Contrary to your accusation, I left the original intact.
Quote:Who disproved it and when? Some blogger, while dumping a ****?
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NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system - that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns - consisted of a grid of steel 'trusses' integrated with a concrete slab)..”
https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation
Quote:You WANT to believe your ****. You WANT to believe that the US government is terminally evil. Therefore ypu are incapable of tginking straight. I think to push racism to such extreme qualufy as a mental illness.
You Want to believe that discussing the physics of 9/11 is pushing racism, and is indicative of mental illness. You're now officially off the deep end.
Quote:You are a coward too.
No, a coward is someone who accepts degrading, secondhand hearsay directed against firefighters who lost their lives in the line of duty. That would be you. And you did it because you needed to damage their integrity and destroy their credibility in order to maintain your own integrity and credibility; and in the process, you lost both.
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In videos of the collapse of the North Tower, the upper block is clearly seen dropping down without stopping. You believe that this upper block acted as a pile driver to crush the lower intact core structure below it. But if that were the case, there would have been not only a visible jolt and pause of the downward movement of the upper block, but also the destruction of the more heat-damaged upper block as it met with the lower block. As such, the collapse would have been arrested because the upper block would have been destroyed easier and faster than the intact lower block. But that's not what happened. Once the upper block is in motion, it does not slow down.
In the case of the South Tower, the upper block (according to you) tipped over the edge of the building, thereby removing the pile-driver effect which is necessary to your theory. So you claim that some collapsing floors pulled the core and perimeter columns down with them. Of course, you understand that the purpose of the core structure and perimeter columns was to support the floors; not the other way around. Right?
Now how about you tell me at what temperature steel melts. Recall that you said that cement melts at a lower temperature than steel.
And if you would, can you please produce the video that accurately shows the collapse times that you use for your own calculations? I'd like to see it.
