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The Physics of 911

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 08:05 am
@maxdancona,
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1) What you are calling the lower block may have already been falling by the time the upper block was falling.

2) The connection of the lower block may have already been weakened enough that it didn't take much energy to detach it.

This is classic nonsense based on a cartoon version of reality. It shows that you've been arguing for page after page after page with a totally absurd understanding of the composition of the Tower.
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camlok
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 08:55 am
@maxdancona,
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Could thermite have made the antenna fall in the way you claim it is falling?


What a ludicrous question, max! Of course the NANOthermite could have been configured anyway the Bush/Cheney experts wanted to do it.

The core columns were destroyed first, which is why the antennae dropped before there was any movement of the floors. More on this below.

First, the NANOTHERMITE.

Remember, this is a new generation of super explosives. These super nano scale explosives are capable of going thru 3.4 meters/11 feet 2 inches of high strength armor steel after travelling several meters thru the air at speeds of 10 kilometers/6.25 miles per second.

Now the WTC1 tower.

Quote:


Where's your Evidence?
http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id6.html

...

The towers were brought down by a combination of two types of charge and placement. One was a series of concussive explosives placed on the outer core columns adjacent to the core column welded joints every three stories, while the second was a series of incendiary charges placed on the corners of the perimeter column structure every fifteen to twenty storeys.

The expulsions of dust and debris from the towers can easily be seen to emanate from storeys where the core column welds were situated, every three storeys, and these expulsions can be seen to firstly emanate from the mid-faces of the tower walls opposite to the outer core columns.

Immediately prior to the onset of the collapse there is a radical change in the amount and character of the smoke from the upper floors of the towers and the first portion of the tower to show signs of collapse was the antennae, indicating a failure of the core columns.

The core columns which fell during the early stages of collapse were the outer core columns - the strongest parts of the tower - while the weakest columns, those from inside the core, survived the early stages, leaving the "spire". These outer core columns which suffered the early failure were situated adjacent to and accessible from inside the elevator shafts.

The outer core columns retrieved from the debris pile exhibit petaling failures and failures showing opposite concave faces on core columns, this first a phenomenon which has in other historical cases been associated with massive concussive forces, and both being exactly the type of failure which could be expected from such a placement of concussive charges.

The core column ends show a discoloration indicative of localised thermal events.
Other than these failures, the recovered core columns are relatively straight and separated at their welds and do not exhibit the massive bending expected from a heat induced collapse.

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camlok
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2018 09:03 am
@maxdancona,
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As I did it, I made it clear that doing this sort of analysis on a YouTube video is scientifically invalid (I used those exact words)


It doesn't matter what words you use, max, because they are all lies OR a guy who is purposefully debasing science for his nefarious ends. I supposed this grave thing could happen if you were teaching children but we all know that it is just max lying.

NIST used and uses YouTube. And when they have the odd thing correct/accurate/right to say, it is totally scientific. Where did you ever come up with this ludicrous notion that videoing science/scientific experiments renders them invalid?

That is just so so so stupid a notion! Guess who has advanced it, max. All manner of scientists regularly give talks where the information is recorded on video. Some makes its way to YouTube or Vimeo or ... .

If you were willing to confess to your highly misleading, totally deliberate lies, perhaps some would be willing to forgive you.
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 12:27 pm
@Olivier5,
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Rest assured that the law of conservation of energy was not violated.




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Where's your Evidence?

Gordon Ross

If I say that the WTC towers were brought down by means other than the aircraft impacts and the consequent fires then it would be perfectly acceptable for anyone to ask for the evidence and reasoning behind this belief.

By exactly the same reasoning, exactly the same question can be asked of those who believe that the towers were brought down by the impacts and fires. Yet here we are, more than seven years later, and not one single person has shown one single piece of physical or visual evidence that supports this latter claim.

No detailed scenario of events exists, no meaningful theory of fire-caused collapse exists and no sensible explanations have been given for the very many unusual events which occurred immediately prior to and during the collapses themselves.

In contrast to this desert of information, the claim that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition has a wealth of accompanying argument. There are many pieces of evidence, all of which can easily be fitted into a meaningful explanation that shows a logical train of events and giving cause and effect for each of those evidential instances.

http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id6.html
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 18 Sep, 2018 12:41 pm
@Olivier5,
Glennn: I've also asked you if the guy in the video below had dumped the enclosed steel beam with the plastic, diesel fuel, aluminum, steel, gypsum board, crushed concrete, and all the fire into a pit, and then dumped a shitload of cement dust over it, would the beam have melted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YuDKUCALtU

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Edit: I have already answered you question about the vid. The answer is yes, given enough flammable material, and a slow (constrained but open) oxygen flow so that the fire keeps burning for a long time in reductive conditions. A measure of asbestos in the rubble would help too, as it makes for good heat insulation.


This is a flat out lie, Olivier.

There was no flammable material. It was all turned to dust, from the nanothermite explosions.

There were 4 million gallons of water that went onto the WTC rubble pile. There was a great deal of pyrocool and still the WTC structural steel was molten and vaporized.

Jon Cole, in the video, proved that the official lie about gypsum being the cause of the eutectic steel was, what else, a lie.

Notice how all your posts are totally devoid of any evidence for the US government conspiracy theory. They are also devoid of any evidence that refutes anything the Truth movement says.

So you are left with the total impossibilities of the/your goofy Arab hijacker conspiracy theory.

Molten/vaporized WTC steel equals no Arab hijackers.

No Arab hijackers means the USGOCT is dead, buried by science, reality and the facts.

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camlok
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2018 05:49 pm
MontereyJack: No evidence that holds up for yours either.

for example:
9/11 conspiracies debunked by explosives expert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=175&v=ktfnyC5lR3U

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justafool44
 
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2020 06:16 pm
@Glennn,
Its a well known fact that forums worldwide are monitored by watchdog shills from the Zionist state of Israel, and they have a large permanent band of workers who attack anyone who tries to show that 911 was an inside job, run by Mossad and CIA.
The actual science proves that explosives brought the building down in a controlled demolition. Zionist jew shills can go take a hike.
USA is owned and run by Zionists, for Zionists.
justafool44
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 07:53 pm
@centrox,
So in your estimation, a "conspiracy nut", (A term invented by the CIA to shut down criticism) is anyone who does not agree with you? or your cherished ideas?
mark noble
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 08:25 pm
@justafool44,
I agree.

Have a Lovely day
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mark noble
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 08:29 pm
@justafool44,
I agree, again.

Shame you disregard Both Nassim & me, in other threads.

And Yes - EVERYTHING you post is D-Based.

Have a Lovely day
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 08:33 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

This subject has been brought up off topic in another thread. The poster who brought it up has made a claim regarding melted metals. He has said:

Focus on the molten metals. No one has ever suggested that the alleged hijackers had anything but jet fuel, which can only create temperatures of about 1,800F. Molten steel was in abundance, melting temperature about 2,750F. Vaporized steel, a much higher temperature. Molten molybdenum 4,750F.


_________________________________________

If anyone wishes to refute his claim, they may do so in this thread.

Good day.


Lord what nonsense as steel lose most of it strength at fairly low temperatures next I guess all the engineers that look over the remains was lying and mega tons of remains could be cover up.

Yes we did not go to the moon either.
mark noble
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 08:45 pm
@BillRM,
9/11 WAS an inside job.
Yes - We went to the moon - But Not in rockets (Fireworks).

There are human colonies on Mars, and many other planetoids throughout this, and other universes.

We are Not the 1st advanced species on Earth - In fact we're not very 'advanced' compared to those preceding us.

And - We'll be extinct by 2026.

Have a Lovely day
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 09:01 pm
@mark noble,
mark noble wrote:

9/11 WAS an inside job.
Yes - We went to the moon - But Not in rockets (Fireworks).

There are human colonies on Mars, and many other planetoids throughout this, and other universes.

We are Not the 1st advanced species on Earth - In fact we're not very 'advanced' compared to those preceding us.

And - We'll be extinct by 2026.

Have a Lovely day


LOL so you been watching the so call History channel????
mark noble
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 09:29 pm
@BillRM,
Don't watch TV.
Nor do I research anymore.

My search has concluded.

Enjoy Yours.

Have a Lovely day
justafool44
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2020 11:14 pm
@mark noble,
Must help you sleep well at night, realizing that you are a genuine "know it all".
mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 22 Jul, 2020 09:43 am
@justafool44,
If you're uncomfortable with alternate perspectives - So be it.
Yours - Is the only reason applicable to your 'life' experience, after all.
My reasoning - Works for me - I'm glad to share it with others (And I've done my homework on 911). - I'm not out to generate other individuals' acclimatisation unto my own - What's the point? Self-reverence by ad-populatum?

Did you know Jackie Killed Jfk? Likely Not... At others' behest, HK...

Have a Lovely day
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justafool44
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2020 10:47 pm
@BillRM,
You may be some form of an idiot Glen, sorry to inform you, but based on your delusions about the collapse of the buildings, believing that fires could achieve that sort of demolition, then I have no other choice than to assume your brain does not really function very well.
You must realize that the fires were above the 90th floor or thereabouts, and that means that the strongest part of the whole building (floors from basement up to floor 90) were as structurally perfect as the day it was made.
And you also must realize that 10 floors of lighter grade steel construction collapsing on to structurally sound and heavier construction below, is physically unable to turn the whole building into dust and fragments.
And almost NO ONE was allowed to examine the debris, the bulk of which was sent to china before any investigation could even begin.
So yes, they were lying, and still are.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2020 03:15 am
@justafool44,
justafool44 wrote:

You may be some form of an idiot Glen, sorry to inform you, but based on your delusions about the collapse of the buildings, believing that fires could achieve that sort of demolition, then I have no other choice than to assume your brain does not really function very well.
You must realize that the fires were above the 90th floor or thereabouts, and that means that the strongest part of the whole building (floors from basement up to floor 90) were as structurally perfect as the day it was made.
And you also must realize that 10 floors of lighter grade steel construction collapsing on to structurally sound and heavier construction below, is physically unable to turn the whole building into dust and fragments.
And almost NO ONE was allowed to examine the debris, the bulk of which was sent to china before any investigation could even begin.
So yes, they were lying, and still are.


Silly person once the upper floors masses begin to collapsed onto the bottoms floors the life span of the building is measure in minutes.

Next how the hell could you carry tons of explosive into the building an drill holes into the support beams to bring it down without someone taking note?

Then why fly two planes into the buildings if you somehow had already wire the two buildings?

Once more how silly can you get.
justafool44
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2020 05:19 pm
@BillRM,
The lower floors were DESIGNED to take all the mass of the upper floors, with a safety margin of about 3x.
"measured in minutes"? well, sorry to tell you but the buildings fell at free fall rate, meaning the lower, strongest part of the building that was untouched by fire or plane damage, presented absolutely NO RESISTANCE to the falling top part of the building. NONE, NADA ZIP. This can ONLY happen if those lower floors were destroyed by explosives BEFORE the debris had any chance to have any effect.

The buildings were REPETITIVELY CLOSED for days at at time, and works were being carried out after hours, (that's through the night) on "upgrading" the lifts, installing "fire retardant", and electrical work, MONTHS before 911.

Several entire floors at key locations were absolutely BLOCKED off from all access for months before, not even the security guards were allowed in.

They HAD to have the planes hit, because that was the only way to affect the US system PERMANENTLY with new draconian laws, plus its the excuse they needed to go bomb yet another country. IF they just used explosives, then that would mean that its was an inside job, as it took months to set the charges. So it would have caused a massive investigation. The "planes did it all" explanation, meant that they did not even have to have a serious investigation, and they still have not done that to this day.
Bush actually tried to prevent any investigation, then reluctantly allowed one 18 months after the event, but it was drastically underfunded, and the committee was all his buddies. Much more money was spent on investigating if Monica sucked Clinton dick. than was spent on 911.

You are not a thinker are you?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2020 08:11 pm
@justafool44,
Given me a break those building or any building is not and can not be design to have that most mass fall on the floors below and still remain standing.

The gravity potential energy involve is almost that of a small tac nuke.

With special note of the damage already done to their core supports by two large planes hitting them at many hundreds of miles an hour.

The amazing thing is not that the buildings went down but that they last as long as they did.
 

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