The Physics of 911

When they say "molten", most people mean "deformed by heat", but it's not the same thing technically, and not the same temperature involved.

Was he or she a qualified scientist, by any chance? A known specialist in metalurgy or geology?


The weight of the floors falling onto one another like pancakes.

You have a short-term memory problem, don't you--not to mention some kind of obsessive hard-on for Steve Jones. You need to get that out of your system; preferably in a professional's office. I've already told you that I've never once mentioned his name!!! Try to remember that from now on . . . or don't; I guess I really don't mind rubbing your nose in it.

Gee, I wonder what they say when they want to indicate that steel was molten.

Should I assume that you can support your claim that most people mean "deformed by heat" when they say "molten"?

Ah, so the weight of some floors pulled the intact core structure and perimeter columns straight down at virtually freefall speed. Even the NIST doesn't buy that theory. Did you investigate the collapse to the extent that real scientists from the NIST did?

And yet you believe that the Towers came down without the beams being weakened significantly. You don't even know when you're contradicting yourself.

Stranger than molten steel in WTC#6 which wasn't even hit by a plane? And stranger than handguns in vehicles that were completely melted down into blobs of steel in temperatures of like three to four thousand degrees? Well, if you say so . . . I guess.

Put the word "taggants" into context with your question. I'd not heard the word before, and there's several meanings given in a search.

Thermite and nano-thermite chips have been identified in WTC dust samples by more than one "truther" org.



Was it requested by NIST's team on this enquiry? Can you show that they sent a request, and it was denied? I'm not sure why you're fixated on Jones, fm. He's not the only person of note who's unconvinced of the official explanation.



You'd have to run that past the board of the Journal? Can you link us to any information that shows that her "disgust" was connected with Jones's article? For all we know, there were other issues involved.



Cutting charges aren't likely to cause huge seismic readings. The collapse of 200, 000 tonnes of building surely showed something, though?
I've seen the printouts; there were seismic highs on the chart.



The inner core structure, which housed the lifts, stairs, service shafts, et al, was accessible from the inside, at any given time, without interruption to regular operation activities. The elevators had also been given a recent upgrade. Taking out this core structure removes any question about how the buildings collapsed at near freefall speed.

Cutting charges on these 47 massive steel columns also explain the molten steel in the basement levels, and explains how the huge radio mast atop tower one managed to fall into the basement, basically intact; there was nothing in the central shaft, by the time it began to drop.

Anyone who sees the twin towers collapsing at "freefall speed" has **** for eyes (and brain). Those towers fell at about 1/3 of freefall speed.

How did anyone recognized the former handguns in those "blobs"? And how come the vehicles weren't unrecognisable blobs of metal too?

Yry and think before you speak...

Here's an idea. Let's build a dozen or so full-scale replicas of the WTC complex and crash jets into their upper stories and see what happens. We might find out all sorts of interesting things instead of endlessly speculating on what might have happened fifteen years ago.

then youre not as informed as you say. Taggants are chemical substances that are "Seeded" into explosives and other rapid oxidizers. they are chemicals that remain traceable to a certain oxidizers batch number or manufacturer. In the 1993 attack on the WTC, the taggants were easily found and the chemical company that made the explosives was found (It was in India I believe).

Taggants put into blast agents include DMNB, EGDN, DMDND
, actual micro tags made of W carbide with bar codes actually scribed in miniature. These are "seeded" so that the manufacturers batch number is encoded into the agents. This was something done because of bombings in the 70's and 80's. It had already been done in Europe and Asia well before the US began

Becaus his name shows up in lots of the rehash papers from 2015 and 2016 as ither "lead author" or a member of a "team". HE IS THE FATHER OF the TRUTHERS MOVEMENT

SCience doesnt work that way, (only conspiracy theoorists do). SCience tris to exhaust the possibilities and REJECTS those that dont fit. Thats why Steve Jones sampling is important we need QA data to show that his sampling tools and containers were free of any related compounds. Also, are they sure that molten steel was found in the basement Those were huuuge buildings and how much thermite does it take to continue the propogation of a melting temperature days after the buildings came down???
DID YOU EVER WORK IN A STEEL MILL? I used to work in the metallurgical labs of a stainless steel manufacturer in Reading Pa when I was at the end of undergrad years. I would sample "heats" from the ladles just a few minutes after they wre poured (IT would cool that fast).

IS is possible that some elctrical shorts had developed arcs that easily can melt steel. Are they sure it was even steel?

PS, as I understand, the only cutting of beams that could be noted were those that firemen cut so the beams could be removed to Freshkills Landfill for forensic analyses.

As the basic findings of the report says, The structural beams that collapsed were the product of "Softening" (like what happens in a blacksmith shop). Metal loses most of its strength when hated to about1/2 of its melt temp.

I love Olivier's little reminder to you that its hard to melt a gun in a car when the car itself remains unmelted (Now theres something you need to explain, if that didnt all come out of your ass)

yes there were, and ALL of them were consistent with a building falling and hitting the ground. They could also pick up the smashing of the jetliners. EACH P/S/L wave patterns and shapes gives up information as to qhere and what kid of energy was released. A building hitting the ground leaves a surface wave whereas explosives leave a deeper vibration as the waves propogate downward and then rflect to the geophones

Interesting proposition but one that comes with a big price tag which no one would be ready to pay... The "truthers" don't care for the truth that much, and the rest of us do not see a need to validate the obvious fact that the towers fell as a result of the planes crashing in them.

I reminded that to Glenn, who tends to be very naïve about these things.

Builders has repeatedly lied about my position, so I stopped talking to him.

But in general, none of them understand heat. Forget about thermodynamics; even their intuitive common sense of it is wacko, like the idea that guns in a car could have melted, but somehow not the car... Hello??? Earth calls lalaland.

The way they evoke "temperatures of 4000 degree" tells you that they have absolutely no clue what they speak of. At 4000 farenheit, almost every single element on earth is either in liquid or gazeous form. Nothing remains solid when heated that much, safe tungsten and a few other rare birds (molybden, rutherium...).

That's why I always say virtually freefall. Anyone who heard me say freefall speed has **** for ears (and brains). Virtually means almost.

The 911 Commission Report says that the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds. You're trying to make the point that because the collapse took longer than actual freefall, then your disproven pancake theory holds true. However, even air resistance has an effect on the rate at which something falls. What you and others are refusing to acknowledge is that the intact core structure below the impact zone would have offered waaaaaay more resistance than air would offer. Your ignorance of this fact is astounding. You even suggest that though the top of the South Tower tipped over the edge, some falling floors below it pulled the whole intact core and perimeter columns down at a virtual freefall descent even though the core's purpose was to sustain a vertical load.

Why are you asserting that the core structures below the impact zones was at only half strength? Show something to support that claim.

Gerry Fornino is an FBI bomb technician. He's the one who said that during the investigation, guns in vehicles had melted into blobs, and that the heat was 3,000 - 4,000 degrees. Let me guess, you believe that he's talking out his ass, too. Go ahead and say so, but that'll be you just talking out your ass again.

http://www.sonicmemorial.org/public/freshkills/audio/forninomelting.mp3

Almost forgot to ask. What temperature does concrete melt at?

When you drive at 30 miles per hour, would you say that you are going at "virtually 90 miles per hour"?

Actually, the real question is: Would you say that ten seconds is virtually thirty seconds?

Remember? The 911 Commission Report says that the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds. You're still trying to deny that the intact core structure below the impact zone would have offered waaaaaay more resistance than air would offer, and that though the top of the South Tower tipped over the edge, some falling floors below it pulled the whole intact core and perimeter columns down at a virtual freefall descent even though the core's purpose was to resist a vertical load.

Also, show something to support the claim that the intact core structure below the impact zone had lost half its strength.

Gerry Fornino is an FBI bomb technician. He's the one who said that during the investigation, guns in vehicles had melted into blobs, and that the heat was 3,000 - 4,000 degrees. Do you believe him?

http://www.sonicmemorial.org/public/freshkills/audio/forninomelting.mp3

I don't need the 9/11 commission to tell me the truth. I have eyes to see and a brain to think. You don't. That's why you accept claims without ever checking them.

Just watch a few 9/11 vids and you will be able to spot debris that are not attached to anything and thus LITERALLY in free fall. Compare their speed with the speed of the collapse. They are markedly different, i estimate by a factor of 3. On the videos of the collapse, unattached debris fall about three times faster than the speed at which the building is collapsing.

This is based on observation alone. Anyone can see it for himself, including you. Just like anyone can see that the south tower's top kept tipping... But it didn't stop you from asking a total stranger what you could have seen yourself, with your own eyes...