Die fighting for US ... Bad. Die Fighting for UN ... Good.

Very funny!

Thanks for posting this.

Thanks for the positive feedback ... but, no ... it's not funny at all.

Hrm... nope. Makes me think Kerry's on the right track. "Global test" means it has to be truthful. I consider that a valid test.

The chicken-little line that Kerry wants to hand the keys to the white house over to the UN is just a way to scare little republican babies into eating their veggies.

Warms my heart to see another Boortz fan...

Ticomaya - I'm one that's always thought Kerry hasn't changed his stripes since his "testimony" days and is and has always been an internationalist. His many references to the UN throughout his career and in recent times just reinforces my opinion on this.

I think on this point we can relax. People do see what Boortz sees and will vote their conscience.

The closer it gets, the calmer I'm becoming. (As long as I stay away from anything to do with polls LOL).

I will go AWOL before I let some foreign general call the shots for my service. I didn't pledge to protect the UN I pledged to protect the US. If I were to die under the UN flag I would see that as the largest shame in my life.

Letting the UN decide is very dangerous indeed.

Even when germany, france and Russia supported the gulf war, they only sent 300 soldiers in support of desert storm between all three countries.
Germany sent 33, France sent around 280.

That is the coalition he talks about and I find that appalling... Kerry needs to serve on a UN Mission to understand why soldiers refused to wear the UN Colors on Missions...We are not the UNs personal war machine.... with all the corruptness going on now in the UN... I wouldnt dare vote to elect someone that would put oyur soldiers at the beck and call of those countries I listed and a few others....

Just FYI Armyvet 35, France provided a LOT more than 350 troops.

Here is a breakdown of the troop contributions of various nations during the first Gulf War:

Afghanistan: 300 mujahedin troops
Argentina: 1 destroyer, 1 corvette, 2 air force transport planes
Australia: 1 guided-missle destroyer, 1 frigate, 1 supply ship, 2 surgical teams
Bahrain: 3,000 troops
Bangladesh: 6,000 troops
Belgium: 1 frigate, 2 minesweepers, 2 landing ships, 1 supply ship, 6 C-130 transport planes
Canada: 2 destroyers, 1 supply ship, 12 C-130 transport planes, 24 CF-18 bombers
Czechoslovakia: 200 chemical-warfare specialists
Denmark: 1 corvette
Egypt: 40,000 troops, including 2 armored divisions and 5,000 Special Forces paratroopers
France: 18,000 troops, 60 combat aircraft, 120 helicopters, 40 tanks, 100 armored vehicles, 1 missile cruiser, 3 destroyers, 4 frigates Greece: 1 frigate
Hungary: 40 medical personnel
Honduras: 150 troops
Italy: 2 corvettes, 3 frigates, 1 supply ship, 4 minesweepers, 10 Tornado ground attack aircraft
Japan: medical personnel and supplies
Kuwait: 11,000 troops
Morocco: 1,700 troops
The Netherlands: 2 frigates, 1 supply ships
New Zealand: 3 C-130 Hercules transport planes, 1 medical team
Niger: 500 troops
Norway: 1 Coast Guard cutter, 1 transport ship
Oman: 25,500 troops, 63 airplanes, 4 Exocet-armed ships
Pakistan: 7,000 troops
The Philippines: medical personnel
Poland: 2 rescue ships
Portugal: 1 naval logistics ship
Qatar: 1 squadron of Mirage F-1E fighter planes
Romania: 360 medical personnel, 180 chemical warfare experts
Saudi Arabia: 118,000 troops, 550 tanks, 180 combat planes, 8 frigates
Senegal: 500 troops
Sierra Leone: 30 medical personnel
Singapore: 35-man medical personnel
South Korea: 5 C-130 Hercules transport planes, 150-man medical team
Spain: 1 frigate, 2 corvettes, 1 supply ship, 1 C-130 transport plane
Sweden: field hospital and medical personnel
Syria: 17,000 troops, 300 T-62 tanks
The United Arab Emirates: 40,000 troops, 80 combat planes, 15 ships, 200 tanks
The United Kingdom: 43,000 troops, 6 destroyers, 4 frigates, 3 minesweepers, 5 support ships, 168 tanks, 300 armored vehicles, 70 Tornado and Jaguar combat jets
The United States: 540,000 troops, 6 aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, 2,000 tanks, 2,200 armored personal carries, 1,700 helicopters, 100 warships, 1,800 airplanes

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Just trying to keep the facts straight on who and how many.

The First Gulf War - wasn't that the one that Kerry voted against ??

Um Fedral I just checked your "source" a web page with a bunch of "Numbers and letters on it"


These figures are approximate. They have been compiled from various sources, including the Center for Defense Information, Reuters, The New York Times, and the U.S. Department of Defense.

this is where they got their info from? Hmmm Excuse me while I laugh at that one....

Let me make a little suggestion here... those numbers you quoted..l. Are actual total numbers of each contries certain military strength NOT total allies support and Strength during desert storm.

So if that web page is correct we had 877,495 US and allied forces on the ground during Desert storm? Sorry but that isnt true at all.....

No. That was the one where we had an exit strategy before we jumped in.

It's pretty well spot on.


VA


The US then deployed 700,000 troops in Gulf War 1, then another quarter million, even if they were the same troops there is no problem reaching the 870,000 figure. How's that 'not true', when a five-second Google search could confirm or deny it's validity?

Yes, Kerry did vote against the first Gulf war. It is a matter of record.

"Global test" means truthful.

"American test" does not?

Who, by the way, decides the results of the "Global Test?"

The UN?

The UN Oil for Food Scandal is proof positive of the corruption of the UN. So is the fact that Sudan was recently reappointed to a seat on the UN Human Rights Counsel.

France? Russia? China?

The three nations that profited the most from the Oil For Food program?

One can assume that you are of the mind that dismisses the votes of the 30 or more nations in the Coalition of The Willing and so it would seem that only nations that can prove through their habitual opposition to the US that they are thereby worthy of a vote will get to cast a ballot.

But no, the governments of the Coalition nation were acting against the wishes of their people: unlike, for example, Iran, China, Sudan, Libya, etc.

So, the only way to have a valid "Global Test" is to put it to a vote of the world's population!

Let's set up an internet polling site that anyone in the world can access.

First we'll ask the World if we should withdraw from Iraq.

Then we can ask the World what we should do about Iran and North Korea.

Then we can ask the World if we should surrender our riches to the World.

Re: Die fighting for US ... Bad. Die Fighting for UN ... Go


Note the presumption by Mr Kerry that a UN effort is noble and that a unilateral US effort is base.

In Kerry of Vietnam's mind, his own country, the nation that he seeks to lead for the next four years, cannot be trusted to go it alone and must be reigned in by the rest of the world.

But then maybe his whole attitude on this subject will change once he is calling the shots.

Actually Mr still water you are not correct. Go to the defense Almanac for the correct info on this. The Desert Storm war total is as follows:

From 1990-1995 just over 600,000 soldiers served in 10 on going operations that were party of the Gulf War. Not all those soldiers served in all Campaigns and phases of that war. I myself served in 3 of those out of the 10. Some units only spent 2 months there ... others like mine spent 11 months there. The 600,000+ soldiers are the Total Force numbers of soldiers that were used in 10 different campaigns in a 5 year period.

Those missions were Operation Provide Comfort, Northers Watch, Southern Watch, Desert Strike, UNSCOM, UNIKOM, Viligent Warrior, Liberation of Kuwait, Desert Storm and Desert Shield

All those missions were done at different times, different areas, by different soldiers. By no means was there 600,000 troops in Iraq at the same time. The cease fire was signed on 11 APRIL 1991 and the UN didnt step in until HUmanatarian missions for the tent Cities were established in June of 1991.

The High peak of allies in Desert storm was in June 2001 when the peak of allies was numbered at 21,547 allied troops. That is when the UN took over the humanatarian Mission. That was well after the war.

As I was stating... I looked at the source that was quoted and Germany doesnt appear anywhere on that list and they sent 33 pilots for desert storm... so that in itsself is inaccurate....

More facts to follow shortly......

Armyvet - looks like Mr. Stillwater's numbers are right. The balance of the sources are bearing him out.

You may prefer to phrase it differently - but seems to know who the U.S. had on the go.

(the reference he provided)

I agree totaly that Kerry's willingness to put foreign interests over our interests is a very bad idea.

If im not crazy, isn't the job of the President, among others, to serve the nations best interest, and the congress should be the negotiator, among other things again.

I want a president who thinks of us first, the world later.

Ehbeth... actually that is vague and not detail oriented. His source is the VA health and services. and after reading the source he gave me through the VA link, I can say that they did not go into specifics nor did they say how many troops served where and when and in what capacity> What they did discuss was Gulf War syndrome and not in great detail either.

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"The majority of troops were deployed to the Gulf theater of operations before the air war began on January 16, 1991, and more than half of the deployed troops were withdrawn from the area by the first week of May 1991."
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The majority and more than half? What exactly does majority mean and more than half? How about some accurate numbers instead of lump summing?

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Gulf theater of operations
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10 missions over 5 years in the same theater of operations. Those missions were Operation Provide Comfort, Northern Watch, Southern Watch, Desert Strike, UNSCOM, UNIKOM, vilegent Warrior, Liberation of Kuwait, Desert Storm and Desert Shield. Many soldiers only served in one of those campaigns, out of 10, for 2 months tops. it is covered under the Southeast Asia Defense Service medal which was awarded to everyone whether they went in country or not.

Another thing I find a bit odd about this VA link
source is My unit is actually listed as exposed and I am on the registry and have been through all those tests as well through the VA for Gulf war Illness. Why are they not stating all the facts, and numbers on that one page?


877,495 US and allied forces is what one website says and 697,000 active duty service members is what another says. That is quite a stretch considering the 180,095 were allied troops which actually isn't the case as stated by the Center for Defense information, Department of Defense, General Accounting office, and the Defense Almanac. Those are my sources for actual numbers. The most allies in country were 21,547 (the peak number in 5 years) troops after june 1991, because the UN took over humanitarian aid tent cities.

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The US then deployed 700,000 troops in Gulf War 1, then another quarter million, even if they were the same troops there is no problem reaching the 870,000 figure. How's that 'not true', when a five-second Google search could confirm or deny it's validity?
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What was the source you used for that 870,000 figure? My sources are the Center for Defense information, Department of Defense, General Accounting office, and the Defense Almanac. And they say TOTAL US forces that participated was just over 600,000 to include all 10 campaigns in 5 years. 186,000 soldiers were stationed in different parts of the world at the time and did not participate in any of those campaigns. if you do the math that means almost the entire military conus and oconus was deployed to Desert storm, that leaves no room for medical holds, medical profiles, and many other reasons why over 130,000 soldiers are non deployable at any given time....

I don't mean to be so picky about numbers but I don't like generalizations and quotes from the NY times to distort the facts.

There was actually 350,000 soldiers on the ground before the airstrike and ground war... mid Febuary alot of those people started tearing down and going home, by may most were home... essential units that did stay and were replacing other units were medical, MPs and some infantry.

Most of the National guard and reservists were called up but never sent. The ones that were sent were some medical, transportation, and MP units. Others filled the role of taking over active duty jobs here in the states. Those units utilized for those missions had national guard armourys less than an hour from post, and they rotated out every 30 days.

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These figures are approximate. They have been compiled from various sources, including the Center for Defense Information, Reuters, The New York Times, and the U.S. Department of Defense.
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The Center For Defense Information says no such thing nor does the DOD. The NY times did say that and as do various sources that remain un named.....