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Immigration condemn-nation

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 09:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The links provide the sources.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 09:06 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The links provide the sources.
Okay, but there's nothing similar to what you wrote. (That she regretted opening the borders - what she actually didn't: we've got the right to asylum in our constitution: Basic Law article 16a.)
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 09:15 am

Nice!

Customs agents ignore judge, enforce Trump’s travel ban: ACLU
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 09:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Text from the Telegraph article I cited previously:

Mrs Merkel said she would not repeat her earlier slogan in the migrant crisis of “We can do it” because it had become “an empty phrase”.

It was the first time she has indicated she is prepared to back down from her “open-door” refugee policy, which has seen the CDU fall to its lowest level in the national polls for four years, and her personal approval ratings plummet.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:08 am
@Lash,
I am rather fluent in German and have heard (and read) what she said acouple of times in the original version. Neither that nor what the Telegraph interpreted are close to a "regret for opening the borders".

As said: asylum is a constitutional right here.
The discussion is about if it belongs to the "eternity clause" rights. Therefor, even the CSU "only" wants a limit of 200,000 asylum seekers/refugees per year - a cap ("Obergrenze") even the CDU (and Merkel) objects.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:14 am
Mrs Merkel has created an Oboy like mess of Germany.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:26 am

The Obama-Clinton Ban on Muslims
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:26 am
@Frugal1,
Well, I never liked the conservatives and always have had problems especially with Merkel's view. But at least she following the constitution.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Trump is also following the Constitution...
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:40 am
@Frugal1,
This is important for everyone to know. Trump's rhetoric is inflammatory around tightening this new iteration to the ban, but this ban was loosely designed and continued by Bush and Obama.

Trying to ignore Bush and Obama's roles in this ban weakens Democrat's indignation.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The excerpt I cited means your interpretation is incorrect.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:45 am
@Lash,
I'll take 'inflammatory rhetoric' over islamic terrorists beheading, blowing up, shooting, and burning people to death.

Ignoring Oboy & HRC's role in the explosive growth of the islamic death cult is childish.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 10:45 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The excerpt I cited means your interpretation is incorrect.
Okay. Your knowledge of German and German constitutional law might be better than mine - and that of most other Germans.

(From your Telegraph link: "One problem for Mrs Merkel is that any changes she makes to her refugee policy will be largely cosmetic at this point.")
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 11:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Merkel 'explains' Geneva refugee convention to Trump in phone call
Quote:
A spokesman for Angela Merkel said the German chancellor regretted Trump’s decision to ban citizens of certain countries from entering the US, adding that she had “explained” the obligations of the Geneva refugee convention to the new president in a phone call on Saturday.
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 11:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Lol!
Merkel is selling out Germany like Oboy was selling out America - I bet Trump offered his sympathies.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 11:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I happily cede your superior German comprehension. If ability to read German were our argument, I'd bow out.

However, I stand by the remarks reported characterizing Merkel's backstep from her open door policy. Smile

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 11:45 am
@Lash,
Well, I've listened to most (all what still is online) of her speech.
In terms of content she didn't move not a whit from her (= the government's) refugee and asylum policy (and that could have been observed until now). What she did, however, was referring to the often quotet sentence "Wir schaffen das" (we can do this), because to much had been interpreted in this everyday sentence. "Manch einer fühlt sich provoziert. Ich habe ihn anspornend und anerkennend gemeint." (Some people felt provoked. It was meant stimulating and appreciating.)). She then spoke that many problems were state-related, but not all: the asylum and refugee had had to be better explained.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 12:58 pm
@CalamityJane,
We were city kids in Sacramento, but all of us kids were expected to go out to the farms to earn some money during the summer break. We picked pears, peaches and grapes. Even harvested hops. Didn't know what they were used for until much later in life.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 01:17 pm
@Frugal1,
Your imagination is astounding.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jan, 2017 01:22 pm
@Lash,
No such thing as "selling out." You and Trump just fail to understand what our country has stood for. We are all immigrants except for the Native Americans.
 

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