If Kerry Is Elected

Not quite the same, but Sinclair has offered Kerry the opportunity to appear following the program and comment on it. I think that fair enough.

Fair enough if he gets equal time.

So far the Kerry campaign has declined. I think that a wise move on their part to avoid admitting there is anything of substance to rebut, IMO.

sozobe
There may be a suicide watch in effect in Green Bay. Brett threw 3 and should have been 4 interceptions on Sunday.

Obviously, you are sounding so overly presumptious as to come off not sounding very bright. Or shall we stick with the subject instead?

I care very much for my own survival. That is why I'd rather have Kerry in office, because Iraq is now turning into terrorist central, and gaining more recruits with each passing day. We have p*ssed off the world, and that can only HELP the terrorists, not HURT them.

I think that before you clump all our enemies under one skin color and religion, you should learn more about the Middle Eastern culture, their constant plight in dealing with opressive regimes which we have supported, and their unwielding religious loyalty when it comes to their oil.

Western occupation of that region over hundreds of years doesn't leave a very good impression of us or our allies. And the fight for oil will only intensify as resources continue to dwindle.

This really is much more complicated that our "enemies" dancing in the street if Kerry is elected.

I guarantee you that our ALLIES will ALSO be dancing in the street if Kerry is elected.

How will you explain that? Or are they ALL our terrorist enemies?

Dookiestix, what do you think will happen when Middle Eastern countries start running out of oil. It is safe to say that their entire way of life is based on oil. The region is one giant desert, incapable of supporting the population that currently lives their. They import much of their resources and food. The world is projected to hit peak oil production by 2010-2015.

My prediction is: Exodus. And if these countries and their neighbors are all armed to the teeth, then all hell is going to break loose. Mass destabilization, which will have world wide effects. If we leave them as they are, then shits gonna hit the fan in a major way the inevitable happens.

Stoplearning, I couldn't agree with you more. But by "leaving them as they are," what are you implying?

Just what it says, leaving them as they are: Non intervention. Not being involved politicaly with their governments. No nation building or support of "regimes"

Thats a recipe for disaster in my opinion.

Safe, that is, if you know nothing about the region.

The present population of the middle east is not that much greater than it was 100 years ago. They would have no problem whatsoever supporting all their people without oil - it's not as if the people see any of the oil money right now, right? Also, we are talking about some of the oldest societies of mankind. Plus, they are used to living in the desert and don't really mind it as much as you think.

There's not going to be an exodus, please....

Cycloptichorn

The only way they will be left as they are is the development of alternate sources of energy. Than we can leave them to drink their oil and eat their sand. And dream of those 72 virgins

Well, I think it would be hard to assess what would happen because the history of the Middle East is mired in Western occupation, so it would be hard to know exactly what WOULD happen if we just "left."

We already know what happens when we rape their land of oil, occupy their countires, and ally ourselves with opressive dictatorships.

Actually, that would be a perfect poster for free speech.

[QUOTE"The fictional "The American President"]"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who is standing center stage advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."[/QUOTE]

Allowing the worst of the worst is the only way to avoid letting man regulate other men's speech. The often-bashed ACLU pretty much only protects the very worst of the worst and by so doing, they preserve this freedom for us all. This is one of those subjects where it is imperative to set personal feelings aside. Michael Moore (who I don't like) proved to us all that we can say any damn thing we want, about anyone. Dennis Miller called him the singing canary in the mineshaft of freedom. I concur.

Cycloptichorn wrote


Sorry to dispute you but the exodus has begun.

Ok Bill, so no problem if Clear Channel (for example) forced their stations to show 9/11 3 weeks before the election?
You'd have no problem with that?

Au,

Are we talking about the same thing? I am saying there will not be a mass exodus from the Middle East in the coming years.

For various reasons, religion, etc...

Cycloptichorn

I have serious doubts about your population hypothesis, Cyclopichorn. The people do see at least some of the oil revenues, not in Iraq, but Kuwait, Saudi Arbia, U.A.E. The point is that oil is vital to them. When its gone, so is all the business that depends upon it, all the foreign workers living there. A huge part of their economy.

And, like any other country that finds itself with a waning amount of resources, the ME will be forced to turn to other means in order to survive.

This does not mean 'massive exodus.' You have to realize that huge amounts of people have lived in this region for thousands of years. Thousands of years before we even knew oil existed.

True, westernization has changed their societies greatly. It's one of the reasons they hate the US so much. But do I believe that their countries will implode once the oil is gone? Hell, no! They got by just fine without oil for the VAST majority of their history, they will get by just fine with it now.

Besides; there is a long time to go before the oil is 'gone.' Even if alternative fuels and energies are developed greatly, there will still be a huge demand for industrial-grade crude oil, if for no other reason than the plastics industry, which I assure you is going away no time soon.

That being the case, I think you are looking more at a reduction of oil consumption and how it affects the Middle East more than at NO oil....

That being said, I highly doubt people are going to start streaming out of the countries....

Cycloptichorn

There has been a steady migration to Europe and the US from the mid eastern nations. Religion has not been a deterrent. And why? Because in contrast to those nations there is religious freedom in Europe and the US. I should add and that is where the find employment, freedom and a better way of life.

I assume you refer to These Allies. Seems they do enjoy dancin' some. 'Specially to Middle Eastern music.

I don't dispute this (America is awesome) but I'd hardly say that this is proof of an 'exodus' of massive proportions on the way.

The ME has plenty to offer, still, in terms of development and money to be made. There's a strong argument that oil is BAD for the region, and running out wouldn't be so bad in the long run, as it would force the countries to turn to more productive means of generating capital...

Cycloptichorn