Women & Discrimination

Heywood, I'd vote for Tina Turner!


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I think the continuence of women voluntarily working in the sex-industry is making it hard for men to respect any of us. I overheard one of the professors in the chemistry department at my university saying that women shouldn't be in any of the sciences.

I just think that women, as a whole, should work together to gain the desired respect from each other and from men.

l r r H;

a woman's right, and ability to choose any employment, or experience she might find of interest must include those areas that some might not consider 'suitable'. It is important to not temper support for those rights on the basis of any preconcieved personal biases.

LRRH, I'd report that professor to the administration to have him expelled from that school.

L.R.R.Hood - the answer is female networking. The "old boys' club" got where it is by developing social contacts with one another. Older men mentored younger. Women need do become more proactive by developing the same kinds of networks to help younger women along.

I disagree. I think the networking idea is a good one.

You don't hear women disrepecting all men for those males who work as strippers do you? Amazing that when it comes to putting women down, we find that other women can sometimes be better at it than men.

While I am not impressed with women selling sex for a living (including strippers, porn stars, prostitution) it is one area where women have the market. Not many men are earning a living off titilating women. These women are playing the game according to the rules set-up by men. The demand from men is there and they are stupid enough to fork out lots of money for women to take their clothes off, when being naked and sex is a natural act. Yes it can be tasteless and most men do not respect women who do this, but there again, from men who use these services, we never had their respect to begin with. Instead of berating the women who provide this sexual titillation, why don't the women in the lives of these men, have some influence? Mothers, daughters, wives, girlfriends, sisters, aunts, etc. You think there wouldn't be consequences for MY boyfriend if he went to a strip-club? You better believe there would!

Most strippers keep their job a secret... and most of the men who go to strip clubs keep their visit a secret.

Then each of them are apparently ashamed of their own behaviors.

Exactly my point. The people who subscribe to it, or do it as a job, think its shameful. Most of them anyway.

I think you will find there are two groups;
those who do this work because it is far more monetarily rewarding than anything other form of employment they can qualify for, and those who actually like to do it, and enjoy the culture (probably a relatively small number, but i am definitely not an expert).

what distresses me is that there are definitely some who are actually, or virtualy forced to do it by people applying an evil influence (drugs, violence).

i am not interested in telling people that they can't, or shouldn't do it, but in changing society in such a manner that they can choose freely, and have support in sucsessfully finding other employment more easily.

as far as 'networking' goes, great, but don't limit yourself to only networking with women; there is much to be gained, and much to be changed by working with both women and men in sharing knowledge and talent.

Just reminding here on this thread that March 2004 is Women History Month :wink:

I am not so certain that men disrespect strippers or that strippers keep their profession secret. My daughter was tempted to strip while a student at Smith. It seems many Smithies strip their way through school. A friend of her's worked as a stripper while attending Evergreen State. But Evergreen State is another matter.

I've known 7 strippers first hand, and 2 guys who worked in strip clubs. I've heard all kinds of storied and opinions about it. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but most of the strippers, most, hide it.

The sexual revolution is far from over. Haven't you noticed it spreading to more and more states lately?

Women have been fighting for equality since at least the 1840s. Their quest is not over yet either.

Sure they have made advances. But they still don't get equal pay for equal work, they still get raw deals, and a hell of a lot of bias against them. I am a man who has worked in what is traditionally a woman's position for the past six years, and the backlash by men over THAT has been astounding....i.e., I must be gay. Even the WOMEN advance that notion. Such a situation seems to me to point right at the very real prejudices that exist in this country against women and gays alike. Women can't do men's jobs, and men can't do women's jobs? It's all rubbish.

And the sexual revolution just cranked up a huge notch lately. We all have a long way to go to get there.

Heeven I love the pic. It gets in your face alongside the commentary. What's not to love?

Until men mature beyond seeing women as objects to be conquored, women will not have the respect they deserve. A simple statement, but a very complicated matter.

Also, until we grow beyond the insistance of traditional sexual roles, we won't achieve equality or end discrimination.

Our American Forefathers saw the way out of this, and envisioned it for the future. They say the natural elite, i.e., the best and the brightest as the ones who are to lead us.

We never achieved that vision, but we still could, maybe.

Actually, the recent gay marriages advancement is a hopeful sign that we can overcome traditional sexual roles. If so, the other barriers could fall by the wayside and we just might achieve the best and the brightest landing in the positions they deserve, all of which will advance the causes and success of this nation.

In stark contrast however are the leading powers in this country based upon wealth and status, not the best and the brightest urging us to move backwards, not forward as we must if we hope to survive.

While it really does look like it is too late, the gays are just standing up and taking their civil rights over the objections of those prejudiced against them. Women did the same in the 70s. The youth did the same in the 60s. Maybe there is hope after all. We have many barriers that remain to be broken, however, and women are not faced with the least of them.

Am I the only 'old fashioned' one left who thinks men and women are different and should celebrate those differences? Does anybody else think women don't have to become like men or vice versa in order for there to be equality? (I hate it when men are urged to 'get in touch with their feminine side'.) Maybe, just maybe, some people are happier in traditional sexual roles?