'Countdown with Keith Olbermann' for Oct. 20
Partial Transcript for Oct. 20, 2004 show
Updated: 10:24 a.m. ET Oct. 21, 2004
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But, in our No. 1 story on the COUNTDOWN tonight, the attending physician at the United States Capitol is insisting that everybody working in that building, from congressmen to pages, even down to the occasional visiting president, is automatically eligible to get one of this year?'s trendy, scarcest accessories, a flu shot.
A spokesman for Dr. John Eisold telling "The Washington Post" that representatives, senators, staffs, anybody with a Capitol credential can get vaccinated simply by presenting their I.D., no further questions asked. "Members of Congress are at high risk," says Dr. Eisold?'s spokesman, "because they shake hands with a lot of people." He adds that they also tend to visit a lot of veterans centers and could become carriers.
Eisold says he has 2,000 doses under his control. Senator Bill Frist, a cardiac surgeon himself, has written his 99 Senate colleagues and said, get thee to a vaccinatorium.
Dr. Sue Bailey is the former assistant secretary of defense for health affairs and is currently an MSNBC analyst. She knows from politicians and from the flu.
Dr. Bailey, good evening. Thanks for your time.
DR. SUE BAILEY, MSNBC ANALYST: Hi, Keith.
OLBERMANN: Dr. Eisold?'s office today told us he is worried enough about each member of Congress as a nexus of infection, that he is also concerned about the continuity of government during a flu outbreak. Does he mean to talk like he is getting geared up for a repeat of the 1919 flu pandemic or is the man just a worrier?
BAILEY: Well, I think he maybe thought ways doing the right thing. But, in fact, Secretary Thompson of the HHS and people from NIH and the CDC say, if you?'re healthy, you?'re not supposed to get a shot and that means most of the people on Capitol Hill.
OLBERMANN: Is the handshake thing a legitimate issue or is it just something that sounds just logical enough that it would forestall criticism if the elite got the medical care and the ordinary people did not?
BAILEY: Well, I don?'t think that necessarily that is why they are doing it.
But I will say that handshaking is something that obviously can spread disease. But let?'s face it. With the flu, the main thing you?'re supposed to do is wash your hands to prevent it. And, secondly, if you?'re sick, you?'re not supposed to go anywhere, much less to a V.A. hospital or any hospital or expose anybody else to it. You?'re supposed to stay home. You do those two things and you won?'t be spreading the flu.
OLBERMANN: Is it possible to convince politicians not to shake hands? Would that make a difference?
BAILEY: I doubt that we?'re going to make that happen. I think politicians are going to keep shaking hands. But, again, as long as they wash their hands, they won?'t be spreading it.
And this is a serious disease. You?'re really going to feel bad. You?'re not going to be questioning whether or not you?'re sick enough to be out and about shaking hands.
OLBERMANN: But the way this has been raised, suddenly this question needs to be asked. I guess people are sitting there at home going, I wonder if maybe I shouldn?'t be shaking hands this winter. Should we stop shaking hands for this winter of 2004-2005?
BAILEY: Well, I think it?'s not only hard for politicians. It?'s hard for anybody. If someone puts their hand out, you tend to want to shake it.
But if you?'re shaking hands, I would suggest you wash your hands certainly afterwards. And that?'s what politicians should be doing, too, not taking flu shots.
OLBERMANN: There is a late development, Dr. Bailey, tonight that says - from the Kerry campaign, so we have not been able to verify this independently?-that the vice president has gotten a flu shot, even though the president says he is not going to do. As a cardiac patient, is he more likely?-is he more at risk?
BAILEY: Well, I don?'t know that we know all of his history, but, clearly, if you have a chronic illness, even if you?'re younger than 65, you would be in the high-risk group.
And the thing to remember is, we are not thinking they are going to get the flu more likely. It just means that they might get sicker, be hospitalized and they could die. So he may be in a group that means he should get it.
OLBERMANN: OK, the former assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, Dr. Sue Bailey, many thanks for your time tonight and for not taking this too seriously. We appreciate both. Thank you.
BAILEY: You?'re welcome, Keith.
OLBERMANN: And from California, that?'s COUNTDOWN. Thank you for being part of it. I?'m Keith Olbermann. Good night and good luck.