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Matrix500
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:37 pm
Phoenix...

They weren't giving out numbers out here when we went, but the lines were just as long. I'm really glad your husband and mother were able to get their flu shots. It's scary when you think of how many people need the shots and how few shots are available.

At a Costco in the Seattle area last week, they gave between 700 and 900 flu shots in one day and could have given more if they'd had them - and yes, they were turning away anyone who didn't fall into the high risk group.


Walter...

The problem with the flu shot shortage in the U.S. is "explained" in that article I posted a link to:

Britain: U.S. Was Told of Vaccine Shortage
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210286/

The British government had it together enough to make arrangements with several other vaccine suppliers in case the vaccines that Chiron was making weren't available. Aparently, the U.S. government didn't think it was worth the effort to secure vaccines from other suppliers and now look where they've left the American public. Like husker said, a lot of people are going to get screwed this flu season, and probably a lot of people are going to die from the flu who shouldn't have. It's digusting!


Hi, Kristie...

Nice to meet you. This year in the U.S. may REALLY be one of the worst flu seasons ever. The type of flu that is coming our way is supposidly one of the most deadly and now there is not nearly enough vaccine to go around. Last year, in the U.S. alone, in addition to the usual thousands of people who die from the flu and its complications, there were around 150 children who died from the flu - many of these children had no known risk factors other than being children. This year...I shudder to think of what may happen.

This year, the U.S. had ordered way more vaccine than it had in the past and had started a strong campaign for everyone to get vaccinated against the flu. After the shocking deaths of the children last year, many more people were planning to get the shots. Unfortunately, because of the contamination of the vaccine in the U.K. and the failure of the U.S. government to have a back-up plan in place, things could go bad in a serious way.

In addition to all of this, it has been "discovered" that if you get a flu shot one year but fail to get it the next and then come down with the flu, the antibodies that your body made for the previous years flu will try to combat the present years flu - and it won't work. It will however make you extremely sick as your body is fighting a ghost instead of its current opponent. That's another reason why it's so important to get a flu shot every year.

I hope you continue to be lucky in not having any problems with asthma and the flu. My daughter is a diabetic and has been hospitalized in intensive care during the flu season on more than one occasion. A lot of the other patients who were in the ICU during flu season along with her were asthmatics....a lot of them. It's awful to see children who are that sick. Absolutely awful!
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:56 pm
Hi, hamburger...

Our flu shots would have been covered completely by our insurance (both adults and kids) if we had gone to the doctor to get them, but the problem here is that an awful lot of the doctors don't have the vaccine and very well may not get any. The supply is that tight. My daughter goes to a doctor's office that is run by a group of pediatric specialists who work out of several offices and a hospital. Besides the many high risk patients whom they care for, they also treat children who are "normal". This year, if they are lucky, they may receive from the local department of health, 150 doses of the flu vaccine to be used for their entire practice. That amount is in no way enough to treat each of the high risk patients (diabetics, children with cancer, organ transplant receipents, dialysis patients, etc.) let alone the other children who have no other high risk factor other than being a young child - and they're considered high risk. Because of this, and the uncertainty as to whether or not the physicians will actually receive any of the flu vaccine this year, we opted to pay at one of the "flu shot clinics" held at local businesses instead of taking our chances waiting to see if the doctors get their supply and then finding out when it's too late that they didn't. It's really scary!
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 07:11 pm
Looks like little or no flu shots coming to my county. Hmmm.
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 08:44 pm
husker...

Spokane Regional Health District Runs Out of Flu Vaccine

Long lines of people patiently waited Monday morning with the hopes of receiving a vaccination
05:12 PM PDT on Monday, October 11, 2004

By LAURA PAPETTI / KREM 2 NEWS

People waited in long lines outside the Spokane Regional Health District clinic Monday wtih the hopes of receiving a flu vaccination. Many were turned away when the health district ran out of the vaccine.
SPOKANE -- There were long lines of people waiting at the Spokane Regional Health District for flu vaccinations that were gone by late Monday morning. The flu has yet to hit, but the national vaccine shortage is already causing headaches for people and for the health district.

Hundreds waited in line for the flu shots. However, many people had to be turned away when the health district ran out of vaccine.

KREM 2 News asked the health district would there be more vaccine and if so, when would it be available?

To answer the question, the health district does not know when more flu vaccine might arrive.

Merle Switzer just made the cut-off. He was last in line expected to receive the vaccine. "I think it's important to get a vaccine at my age and that's why I'm here," he said.

The health district had ordered enough vaccine for the entire season. The second shipment was expected this week. But that all changed when contamination problems at a British manufacturing plant affected one half of the U.S. vaccine supply.

Now the CDC is diverting vaccine to the areas with the most need. The health district has no control over when a vaccine shipment might be sent. "Most of the people here today were hopeful they would get a shot," said the Spokane Regional Health District's Julie Graham. "We are really sorry we don't have anymore today."

Graham and her staff worked frantically to notify people that their supply of vaccine was gone. While at the clinic downstairs, the last of the supply was doled out.

Juanita and Thomas Jamison received some of the last shots that were available. "They said they would start at 10:30 a.m. and give vaccinations until they ran out. I said we better go early," Jamison told KREM 2 News.

For the folks at the back of the line, it will be a waiting game to see if or when more vaccine might be received.

The health district said many doctors will not receive their flu vaccine shipments. Also nursing homes and assisted living centers are having a difficult time receiving their expected shipments of the flu vaccine.

The health district said each person should contact their physician to see if they have a supply of the flu vaccine.
http://www.nwcn.com/health/stories/krem2_vaccine_shortage_spokane101104.21aadbda.html
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On the local news in Seattle, they said that people from all over the state of Washington showed up for shots at this event.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 06:14 am
Necessity is the mother of invention- Flu Vaccine manufacturers experimenting with alternate ways of producing vaccines.

From the Wall Street Journal


Quote:
Companies Look Past Chicken Egg
To Produce Flu Vaccine

By BETSY MCKAY and MARILYN CHASE
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
October 12, 2004; Page B1

Flu-vaccine makers, concerned that growing demand for shots will outstrip the 60-year-old method of producing vaccine in chicken eggs, are racing to implement new techniques. But it could be several years before modernized flu vaccines become available in the U.S.

Flu shots are produced by injecting influenza viruses into the embryos of millions of eggs, which are incubated, harvested and then blended into vaccine. Complicated and labor-intensive, the months-long process makes it impossible to create more vaccine in the event of a sudden shortage -- like the one triggered by last week's shutdown of a Chiron Corp. plant in England.

Now, Chiron, France's Aventis Pasteur, a unit of Sanofi-Aventis SA, and other drug and biotech companies are trying to diversify their egg-based vaccine production by using cell tissue from humans or animals. Chiron, the Emeryville, Calif., company whose egg-based production facility in Liverpool had its license revoked by British regulators, is developing a means of growing vaccine using cell lines produced from the kidney of a dog. Aventis, the sole remaining supplier of flu vaccine to the U.S., is testing a method developed by a Dutch company that uses a cell from a human retina. Baxter International Inc. plans to enter the market with a flu vaccine produced using cells from African green monkeys.

New cell-culture methods, which rely on genetic engineering, already are used to make smallpox vaccine, but they still haven't been fully proved for flu-vaccine production. The new methods hold out the promise of greater efficiency, and possibly more profits, than the old-fashioned chicken-egg method. And they could allow vaccine makers to churn out more shots on shorter notice. That's a big problem with the flu vaccine, whose demand is difficult to predict because taking the shots is largely voluntary.

Only one or two flu shots can be produced from a chicken egg; in contrast, cell tissue is genetically engineered to replicate, making it possible to grow infinite amounts of virus. Compounding the lead time needed with chicken eggs, vaccine producers must sign contracts with farmers six months before vaccine production can begin. The farmers raise hens to lay eggs of a specific eggshell-thickness and other characteristics.

With cell-culture technology, "cells are stored in the freezer, you take them out anytime you want, and you don't have to depend upon ... breeders to get their stocks to you," says James Young, president of research and development for MedImmune Inc., the Gaithersburg, Md., maker of FluMist nasal-spray vaccine, which is produced with eggs.

It isn't just the loss of nearly half of the U.S. flu-shot supply that is pressuring flu-vaccine makers to devise faster production methods. A growing number of cases in Asia of deadly avian flu has experts worried that a pandemic, or a strain to which humans have no immunity, could erupt. Thirty people have died in Thailand and Vietnam this year from the disease.

In case of a pandemic, vaccine makers would be racing to develop and produce enough new vaccine to inoculate millions of people before the deadly disease reached them. Ronald Brus, chief executive of Crucell NV, the Dutch firm in a joint venture with Aventis, says the versatility of using human cells "could allow you to grow virus strains that are currently very tough to grow on embryonated eggs."

Still, cell-culture technology isn't likely to replace chicken eggs completely. Despite the drawbacks, the egg method is widely considered safe and reliable. The federal government is steering $50 million this year to improving flu-vaccine production. The money is being split between securing a steadier supply of eggs for manufacturers and encouraging new techniques. "This is not an effort to shift from eggs to new technology," says Bruce Gellin, director of the Health and Human Services Department's National Vaccine Program Office.

The newest flu vaccines probably won't be approved by the Food and Drug Administration for at least three years, since most still are being developed or tested. "Tissue culture is considered a new product, and you have to go through a complete set of clinical trials to prove the vaccine is safe and efficacious," says Robert Belshe, director of St. Louis University's Center for Vaccine Development.

Michel De Wilde, executive vice president for research and development at Aventis, says the cell-culture method being worked on with Crucell could eventually replace egg-based production "if it fulfills all its promises." To achieve that, though, will take clinical testing and enough production capacity to churn out millions of doses. Making flu vaccine with the cell-based technology is "many years away," Mr. De Wilde says.

In the meantime, Aventis is considering further investments to improve its egg-based production, including expanding output and securing a year-round supply of eggs.

Baxter International, based in Deerfield, Ill., says it is "scaling up and validating" a plant in the Czech Republic, where it also plans to produce a flu vaccine using the same cell-culture technology it used to produce a smallpox vaccine stockpile, a spokeswoman says. The technology is based on vero cells, a cell line originally derived from African green monkeys. The company expects to launch the new flu vaccine in Europe in late 2005 or early 2006 and to begin seeking approval in the U.S. at about the same time.

A flu vaccine made from Chiron's cell-culture method is entering phase III studies of effectiveness in Europe. (Phase III studies are the large-scale, definitive studies of effectiveness and safety that companies use in seeking marketing approval.) Chiron has filed an application with the FDA to begin studies on its cell-culture vaccine in the U.S., a spokeswoman says.

Dr. Young, MedImmune's research and development chief, says any shift away from egg-based production of flu vaccine won't be easy despite the advantages of using cell cultures. "The whole industry has been built up around egg-based production," he says. "To switch to cell culture is a massive effort." Eggs also have been highly productive for vaccines because birds are susceptible to most flu viruses. "The viruses grow well in their eggs," Dr. Young says.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 09:51 am
Btw: Reuters is reporting that a grand jury has subpoenaed flu vaccine manufacturer Chiron for information about its vaccine, production of which at a British facilty was stopped last week by UK regulators.
(According to the Centers for Disease Control, the production stoppage has cut US flu vaccine supplies almost in half, creating the nationwide shortage.)


Found some interesting comments inGalen's Log about the behind of the flu vaccine shortage and possible solutions.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:56 pm
FLU VACCINE
here is a slightly different spin on the 'flu vaccine' dilemma, and why government and business may want to make sure that there are sufficient doses of flu vaccine available(and perhaps make it available at no or low cost !) >>>FLU VACCINE
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 06:05 pm
Interesting articles. I heard the one below on the news earlier today.


CDC Flu Plan Protects High-Risk Patients

12:07 PM PDT on Tuesday, October 12, 2004
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Many of the nation's scarce remaining flu shots will be shipped directly to pediatricians, nursing homes and other places that care for high-risk patients, under a plan negotiated between the government and maker Aventis Pasteur.

The targeted shipments come as health officials struggle to ensure the people who most need flu shots get them, now that the nation's supply of influenza vaccine has been slashed in half.

Under the plan announced Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Aventis will direct shipments of its remaining 22.4 million doses to health workers who care for patients that the CDC deems at highest risk of death or hospitalization from influenza.

The first of the shipments, about 14.2 million doses, begins immediately but will take six to eight weeks to finish distributing to pediatricians' offices, hospitals, nursing homes and long-term care facilities that thus far haven't received much, if any, vaccine...

http://www.king5.com/health/stories/NW_101204HEBflushotsSW.25b30505.html


Six to eight weeks???!!! That will be well into December. Around here, the flu is usually well under way by that time.


I can't really say that I blame Chiron, yet, for the accidental contamination of the vaccine they were making - if it turns out that they were really negligent in their manufacturing process or their hygine practices, then my feelings may change...

I do, however, find it incredibly irresponsible for the U.S. government to not have a back-up plan for something as vital as the flu vaccine should original plans fall through...

Just wait until people start dying from the flu - especially children. Last year there was quite an uproar about the number of children who died from it in the U.S.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:17 pm
Matrix--


Where is "here"? In northeastern PA the flu season just starts in mid December.
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 08:47 pm
Noddy...
The Seattle area.
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 08:58 pm
I think I posted this link before, but I'll post it one more time because I think it's kind of interesting. The site is called FluWatch.com and on it they post daily updates on where the flu is within the U.S. Click on any state on the U.S. map that is on the site and it will tell you the status of flu in that state and even break it down by zip code if the flu is active in that state. Pennsylvania is already under "watch" status which means that positive flu results have been reported in that state (as of today, 10/12/04) in zip code 19003.

You can also sign up for e-mail updates from the site so you can be alerted whenever the flu shows up in an area you're concerned about.

FluWatch.com
http://www.fluwatch.com/index2.html
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 09:14 am
Matrix--

Seattle is miles away--and a different climate zone.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 10:24 am
I think I'm sick. Confused Sad Crap.
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husker
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:03 am
Trying to stand in a 2 hour line right now does not appeal to me.

Pretty depressed today - trying to work out anger on Doc visit for leg. I'm back in a giant pressure bandage from the knee to 1/2 of my foot - must wear for a week - cannot be removed - they are worried about the water retention in my calf - twice the size of my other calf - - they are worried my skin if going to break. Next week - sizing for a special machine to pump my leg and also a special compression sock\wrap - that along is about $600.

Well look on the bright side - they are not talking about cutting my leg off yet and things could be worse, and they let me come to work.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:10 am
Aw, Husker, I am so sorry. You have been through hell and a half lately. I hope that things get better for you. I know that it is difficult, but try and think positively. A good attitude really does help the immune system to work more efficiently.


I'll be sending good vibes your way!!! Very Happy


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Trying to stand in a 2 hour line right now does not appeal to me.


I took my 95 yo mother for a shot this week, She is frail, and uses a walker. I brought a folding chair for her, sat her up front, and they called her when her number came up. She NEVER could have stood for even a short span of time. It was in a supermarket, and a number of other people used the electric wheelchairs that the markets provide.

Seems to me that a this time, what you don't need is the flu. Try to get a shot!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:13 am
It looks like whomever needs the shot, should get one as soon as possible, before the supplies run out. I went to my community gym today. They had given one round of shots this week in the same building where the gym is. There were big signs all over the place that next week's shots were cancelled! And that is not the first time that I have seen cancellations in my area. Sad
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husker
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:24 am
Phoenix
I'm just stinging - from the set-back - I'm usually the cup overflowing guy - just have to remember the things I've learned and be thankful for what I have and consider it could be worse.

An interesting thought occured at the passing of C Reeve - and his infection. Now I never had a heart attack and I was not even aware of my infection, but it only took the infection 7 hours to make me be systemic.

Thank You!!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 11:40 am
husker- Hang in there, guy! You have a strong spirit. The setback sucks, but screw it. Keep on plugging, and everything will be fine!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 05:43 pm
http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/13/news/economy/flu_vaccine/index.htm?cnn=yes

Quote:
Vendors overcharging for flu vaccine

Survey: Some distributors offer U.S. hospitals flu vaccine at up to 10 times the original price.
October 13, 2004: 7:15 PM EDT



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - U.S. hospitals have been actively solicited by pharmaceutical distributors offering the flu vaccine at vastly inflated prices, since the supply has been cut in half due to Chiron Corp.'s plant contamination problems, a survey said Wednesday.



Quote:
"This is a public health crisis," he said. "The bottom line is people are going to die, if they don't get this vaccine. It's the most vulnerable -- the elderly, the sickest of the sick and children -- who need this vaccine. It (price-gouging) is just a despicable practice."


There are some pigs who will use any crisis to grab in "blood money". I hope that these guys are prosecuted. Yeech!
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Matrix500
 
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Reply Wed 13 Oct, 2004 08:49 pm
Noddy24 wrote:
Matrix--

Seattle is miles away--and a different climate zone.


Hi, Noddy...

Yes, I agree with you that Seattle and Pennsylvania are far apart and have different climates, but I don't believe that is going to keep the flu away from here for long. If you look at the map at the FluWatch.com link that I left in a prior post, you'll see that the flu is in several states already including California. Lots of people on the west coast travel between WA, OR and CA, and all it's going to take is for somebody who's been infected with the flu to get on a plane and...well, I'm sure you get the picture. Texas is also starting to have the flu break out in the Dallas area, and there's an even worse outbreak in Michigan, so I'm not sure how much climate has to do with the spread of the flu anymore. I tend to think that modern modes of travel are getting it around the country and the world, regardless.

Last year, the flu hit early and watching the map you could see how quickly it was spreading and turning each area of the country into the higher alert areas. It really didn't seem to follow a pattern of one climate type over another - and this year it seems to be hitting north and south, east and west all at once. I think travel is what spreads the flu which is already an extremely contagious disease.

Were you ever able to find a shot for your husband? I hope you both stay well this flu season.
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