Feminism and porn

It's not already the case. Anyone can upload pretty much anything to the main sites without being asked to verify anything. They're no different from Youtube. The internet is now completely out of control. Children can access anything. Eight year olds can access the most extreme material in a matter of seconds.

I suppose then we disagree on a few things then. Sex has always been a market commodity. And, human sexuality includes what you are considering "transgressive novelty". Many of us enjoy it, and as long as it is consensual and only involves adults, that is none of your business.

I am against attempts to have society at large dictate sexuality. There is a large range of human experience with sexuality-- this includes casual sex, sex for money, polyamorous relationships, homosexuality, gender fluidity, and pornography.

Society has tried to regulated, restrict and control all of these aspects of human sexuality. And it has failed because sexuality, in its many forms, is a powerful part of what it means to be human.

Your one valid point... one that I agree with, is the need to protect children. And we can talk about how to do this. But I think the rest of what you are saying is nonsense. If being covered in feces is something I find exciting, or fun, or stimulating, this is my right. You don't get to control or define the sexuality of other people.

As long as how I express my sexuality is consensual and involves adults, it is none of your business.

Ok. Consensual adults.

Imagine this scenario.

A teenage girl has fled a conflict zone. Her family is dead. She is eighteen, homeless and desperate. A man approached her and tells her she can make some money sexually servicing some men. One man she sees wants her to defecate and then eat her own faeces while he masturbates. She is desperate for money, food and shelter - so she agrees.

So here we have consensual adults taking part in an economic exchange. This is what neoliberals believe society is all about (Reagan in your country and Thatcher in mine): individuals partaking in mutually beneficial exchanges. What of society? What of morality? There is no society or morality they say. Just individuals pursuing their own self-interest. Nothing but the pursuit of power, money and the satisfaction of private desires.

Do you agree with them? And do you believe that because the girl consented and what occurred was within the law, that it was in no way morally or politically problematic? If you do, then I think this conversation should end, because we're not going to find any common ground.

And you should know that are many girls like that out there on the internet.

Hundreds and thousands of them,

Society has an obligation to give eighteen year olds fleeing a conflict zone a place to stay, basic needs and resources (support and training) to establish a decent life.

If our society provides these things, this young adult will be able to live a decent life and have the freedom to choice his or her path. If we don't provide these basic needs, this girl is going to be desperate whether or not this man comes along. This girl doesn't need your judgement or your restrictions on her behavior. What she needs is for society to provide her with basic resources such as shelter, food and a way to better herself... and then for you to let her make her own decisions on how to live her life.

A just society needs to provide basic needs for the all the people within it. This has nothing to do with the regulation of sexuality or pornography.

We're not talking about the issue of providing help for the homeless, we're talking about the moral issues surrounding this specific scenario. You're evading the question.

Because she is an adult and has consented - there is no problem, right? That's what you said: if adults choose than it's 'none of anyone else's business'.

So no moral comment can be made about that man's behaviour, right? There is nothing WRONG with paying a homeless teenager to perform a degrading sex act for money so long as she agrees?

Right?

Right??

Yes or No.

I'll respond to say that I'm the one posting Max up.

You two separately revere arguing, but my life is too short to start in with the scrabble.

Me, I've only seen porn once, in an LA theater, on a date, with Linda Lovelace on the screen, back when that was new.

On the other hand, my ex wrote the script for a movie that approached grosso,
and I actually liked it, and not just because he was involved.

Not to promote, snort, but there was at least one good revue:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100705/

Thanks.

There is nothing morally wrong with one adult paying a consenting adult to perform a "degrading" sex act (of course what is "degrading" is subjective. Different people find different things "degrading")

Your hypothetical "homeless teenager"(you said she was 18 in your story) doesn't need restrictions on sexual behavior. What this young adult needs is a place to stay, food and resources to better herself. If she gets her needs met, then she can choose to use her body as she pleases. If she doesn't get her needs met, then she is desperate whether you restrict consensual sex acts or not.

Your desire to control the sexual acts between consenting adults doesn't help this hypothetical "homeless teenager" at all. It is irrelevant.

"There is nothing morally wrong with one adult paying a consenting adult to perform a "degrading" sex act (of course what is "degrading" is subjective. Different people find different things "degrading")"

So that's a No then.

That's it I think. Nice chatting.

It was a pleasure.

that's pretty much the way things should work

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a friend of mine has a very very well-paying side gig as a professional dom. she is paid to force people to do some pretty disgusting (to my way of thinking) things. but they're adults and it's their business.



I sometimes envy the money, but I'm no good with a whip.

you seem to think there's one set of morals for the world and that you're the arbiter

no and no

Do you believe in any morals?

Do you believe it is immoral to, say, rape and murder children?

bookmarking.

not going to partake in this thread, but finding it interesting.

Also, we're not talking about your friend. To reiterate, the scenario is as follows. A young female refugee - fleeing Syria or the Ukraine - finds herself homeless, alone and desperate. She falls into prostitution. A client asks to watch her eat her own excrement. She is so desperate she drugs herself up to the eyeballs and does what she is asked.

She did, in the strictest sense, consent. But does that mean that no moral comment can legitimately be made on the conduct or character of that man?

I already explained to you why this hypothetical is irrelevant. You seem to have missed the point.

This girl needs food, shelter and resources to better her life. What is immoral is that no one is providing these basic needs. Restrictions on her sexual activity have nothing to do with it.

What he is interested in sexually and what anyone else consents to provide to him is none of our business.