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camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:24 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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The world has made it absolutely clear that it doesn't care one whit for the suffering of the NK people under this regime and no significant effort has been made to change the regime.


Over 70 years of US terrorism against the people of Korea, war crimes by the US that makes Hitler look like your grandson and still you hew to the propaganda.

Four million Koreans slaughtered by the "liberators", the USA. You know nothing of this massive war crimes yet you still choose to support the deep evil. That has to make you a deeply evil person.

Quote:
Bruce Cumings, certainly the most authoritative if not the sole US expert on this mysterious conflict, wrote,

“Americans know the Korean War as a “forgotten war”, which is another way of saying that generally they do not know it. A war that killed upwards of four million people, 35,000 of them Americans, is remembered mainly as an odd conflict sandwiched between the good war (World War II) and the bad war (Vietnam).”

This reflects what might be called an especially American form of Manichaeism—for Americans there is only the “good” and the “bad”. The ability to judge either their own individual behaviour or that of their government is limited by this narrow dualism, a recurrent pattern in the way they perceive both domestic and foreign affairs. It is what made Jim Crow a most stringent and insidious form of social engineering: white and black, good and bad, sin and salvation, communism (without understanding it) and democracy (without having it). Bipolar disorder predates the pharmaceutical and confessional waves of the last two decades. In fact this disorder, going back to the country’s founding myth, has been a fundamental obstacle to comprehending the vicious invasion of a fiercely independent Asian country, under the pretext of preserving these supposedly clear moral categories. US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, staunch Presbyterian and corporate mercenary, declared the necessity of a “Christian war” in Asia.[2]

I.F. Stone, a unique American journalist, tried to breach the insipid and seemingly impenetrable barrier in the consciousness of Americans when he first published his Hidden History of the Korean War in 1952—in the midst of brutal fighting in Korea and political purging in his own land. Stone wrote:

“Writing in an atmosphere much like that of full war, I realised that I could be persuasive only if I utilised material which could not be challenged by those who accept the official government point of view. I have relied exclusively, therefore, on United States and United Nations documents, and respected American and British newspaper sources.”[3]

Stone’s history is damning although he deliberately used only published sources and not the disclosure of classified documents. His hidden history is a case study in how the control of the narrative—to use a modern term—successfully prevented and prevents obvious criminal conduct by the government and military from being recognised for what it is.

Hence Professor Cumings asserted that Stone’s non-conformist history “is a textbook on how to read… People with a built-in indifference to history are ill accustomed to retrospective digging, to lifting up rugs, to searching for subterranean forces and tendencies. Exploring the labyrinth of history is alien to the American soul, perhaps because an optimistic people find knowledge of the past too burdensome in the present”[4]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hidden-history-of-the-korean-war-2/5402638
camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
As they have always supported the US in its vicious war crimes and terrorism, Cicerone. And you support these murderous Relocations too. Why?
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Lash
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:48 am
@Lash,
More Dems taking formerly Republican seats on crest of anti-Trump tsunami.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58efd21de4b0bb9638e270c1?ref=yfp

Just FYI.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:49 am
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

Quote:
The world has made it absolutely clear that it doesn't care one whit for the suffering of the NK people under this regime and no significant effort has been made to change the regime.


Over 70 years of US terrorism against the people of Korea, war crimes by the US that makes Hitler look like your grandson and still you hew to the propaganda.

Four million Koreans slaughtered by the "liberators", the USA. You know nothing of this massive war crimes yet you still choose to support the deep evil. That has to make you a deeply evil person.


We long ago established I am a deeply evil person, so you are just being boorishly redundant with this constant line of attack.

So somehow the fact that the US "slaughtered" 4 million Koreans has a bearing on whether or not a) The Kim Dynasty has "slaughtered" millions of Koreans and b) The world cares?

You seem to be very tolerant of slaughterers as long as they're not Americans.
blatham
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:50 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I don't blame you for not trusting Pentagon reports, but in the absence of proof to the contrary it would be petulant to maintain a position that they have lied.
Sure. But as I didn't say that...
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:50 am
@Lash,
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These may seem like relatively small victories ― we’re talking about municipal races in towns with tens of thousands of people


They do
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:56 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

N Korea will have more than the US to contend with. Our allies will support us.


They'll give us moral support as they did with the Syrian strike and that will be enough.

The most important support though will have to come from China, behind the scenes, if a confrontation is to be avoided.

As it stands now, I doubt there will be a preemptive strike on NK nuclear facilities, but I do believe that if they launch another ballistic missile test the US will blow it out of the skies.

Better for all if China can convince them not to test either their technology or the US.
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Lash
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:56 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I'd definitely spin it like that if I was a Republican. And, of course, the GOP could make opposing gains, etc. but, there is a trend of note that bears watching.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:58 am
@blatham,
And I didn't say you did...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:59 am
@Lash,
Watching, not crowing.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 10:59 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

Well yes, most "scientists" doubting GW are corrupt. They are paid for by Big Oil, so as to confuse the credulous. It's disinformation pure and simple and it works on the American masses.

Nonsense. Scientist's opposed to climate change are no more or less honest than scientists that support climate change. They just see the data differently and the possible effects of what that data represents.

That's naive.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:04 am
@georgeob1,
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you should also recognize the efforts being advocated and taken today are merely pissing into the wind, woefully inadequate for the problem.

I hereby recognize that the efforts taken today are woefully inadequate for the problem. Happy now?
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blatham
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:04 am
Today's exercise in reading a statement many times in order to try and figure out what if anything is being said.

This was in response to a question regarding what Trump believes European countries have to fear from Russia if current tensions continue to escalate?
Quote:
"Well, I want to just start by saying hopefully they're going to have to fear nothing, ultimately. Right now there is a fear, and there are problems -- there are certainly problems. But ultimately, I hope that there won't be a fear and there won't be problems, and the world can get along. That would be the ideal situation.

"It's crazy what's going on -- whether it's the Middle East or you look at -- no matter where the -- Ukraine -- you look at -- whatever you look at, it's got problems, so many problems. And ultimately, I believe that we are going to get rid of most of those problems, and there won't be fear of anybody. That's the way it should be."
Whitehouse.gov
Clear as a bell, isn't it. And the hope. So much hope we'll get tired of all the hoping?
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camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:06 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
So somehow the fact that the US "slaughtered" 4 million Koreans has a bearing on whether or not a) The Kim Dynasty has "slaughtered" millions of Koreans and b) The world cares?

You seem to be very tolerant of slaughterers as long as they're not Americans.


The one is documented, the other comes from the ravings of a deeply evil, heavily propagandized apologist [self-admitted here] for war criminals.

You don't give a rat's ass how many people are killed except to use it as a despicable propaganda ploy. You are the guy who would see all Syrians murdered to save your grandson.
camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:08 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
We long ago established I am a deeply evil person, so you are just being boorishly redundant with this constant line of attack.


Hitler's name can scarcely be brought up without mention of his evil. As you frequently cheer for the US's massive slaughter of innocents, it's not much of a stretch to see that as evil.

But take some solace, you are hardly alone in this, Finn.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:09 am
@Olivier5,
And most scientists supporting CC are looking to preserve their government grants.

This sort of back and forth is pointless.

Even with a president as committed to the notion as Obama, the US refused to do what the "experts" say must be done to stave off CC effects, and this doesn't even take into consideration China, Russia and India.

The means to stop the predicted calamity are not going to materialize, so you probably should start hoping the "deniers" are right, or get behind the currently feeble mitigation efforts.

BTW - What is France doing about CC?

Has it outlawed gas driven cars? Mandated solar energy powered homes?
Lash
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:12 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Watching, crowing. Depends on the perspective of the one choosing verbs.

I am happy about it to a degree. That likely translated. I still hate the DNC, but the RNC makes it easy to prefer almost anyone else. They could be riding high right now if they'd acted like humans in Trump's first few months.

They seem to want to be known as the Regular People Hatin' Plus Bein' Stoopit Party. Every move places them squarely in that category.

I don't want them to fail, but for me, they're indefensible. The only thing going for the other party by comparison is at least they have some people-friendly public policies.

But they're all corrupt.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:13 am
@camlok,
So you are saying the Kim Dynasty has not killed millions of it's people? Stop being obtuse.

Quote:
You are the guy who would see all Syrians murdered to save your grandson.


Guilty as charged.
camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:13 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
This sort of back and forth is pointless.


You don't understand much about science, do you?
oralloy
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:14 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
Yup. A PR stunt in all likelihood.

No. When we attack the enemy with weapons during wartime, that is not a PR stunt.
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