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layman
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 02:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Yeah, Finn, and if it's such "settled science," then why does Lead IPCC Author Kevin Trenberth, and devout "warming" believer, say this, I wonder:

Quote:
In fact there are no predictions by IPCC at all. And there never have been. The IPCC instead proffers “what if” projections of future climate that correspond to certain emissions scenarios...

There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess.

Even if there were, the projections are based on model results that provide differences of the future climate relative to that today. None of the models used by IPCC are initialized to the observed state and none of the climate states in the models correspond even remotely to the current observed climate

the problem of overcoming this shortcoming, and facing up to initializing climate models means not only obtaining sufficient reliable observations of all aspects of the climate system, but also overcoming model biases. So this is a major challenge.


http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2007/06/predictions_of_climate.html

Every fanatic who insists that the "science is settled," should read those words carefully. Then read them again, carefully.

But they won't. The IPCC just specializes in running "hypothetical scenarios" given to them by their bosses (politicians), that's all:

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The IPCC instead proffers “what if” projections of future climate that correspond to certain emissions scenarios.


The scarier, the better, eh!?
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layman
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:05 pm
Quote:
In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.

IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth...”


https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/2/#1a5b3eee45c4

This scam aint about "science," never has been.
Baldimo
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:14 pm
@layman,
Climate change is a new religion and it's followers are just as fanatic as those of any other religions fanatics. There has even been a call to jail those who deny climate science and it's findings.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:16 pm
@snood,
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I'd be obliged if you could share your source. That's indeed interesting.


I wish I easily could, but I didn't think I needed to save it. It was US Government website though. I may try to reproduce it just to see if the 8% has increased.

When I think of "mitigation" I don't think of fights with the fossil fuel industry, I think of public works projects to combat rising sea levels et al. Efforts, and expenditures, designed not to prevent further climate change, but to deal with it's effects, and in the end, that is the best any government will be able to do if the threat is real.

I'm very skeptical about the whole thing but not 100% certain it's bogus. I am, however, 100% sure that, assuming it's an actual threat, any global attempt to circumvent it completely will come too late and so I want to see mitigation efforts rather than more pointless research.

If someone in real power actually is convinced the world is in grave danger from climate change, they sure won't score any points with the future victims by saying "I tried by those damned (fill in the blank) stopped me." As far as I know, no one is opposing mitigation efforts. What they are opposing is a voluntary crippling of our economy in a quixotic effort to stave off "the catastrophe."

Too many people have too much to gain by promoting "Climate Change" for any of us to just blindly accept what they say.






cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I wonder if the climate change theorists are similar to the fear mongering of the stock market's loss of up to 80% of its value this year?
snood
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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a voluntary crippling of our economy


See, that;s interesting right there. The reading I've done about it and the politicians I've heard that make sense, all say that a gradual but purposeful shift toward clean energy industries would help,not hurt the economy.
Especially in the long term.
Baldimo
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:30 pm
@snood,
Quote:
See, that;s interesting right there. The reading I've done about it and the politicians I've heard that make sense, all say that a gradual but purposeful shift toward clean energy industries would help,not hurt the economy.
Especially in the long term.

At what cost? What figures have you seen that make this all possible?
camlok
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Strange bedfellows?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:34 pm
@snood,
I think that's a good possibility by increasing the use of natural energy like sun, wind and hydro.
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layman
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:36 pm
@Baldimo,
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Nailed It: ABC Predicted NYC Would be Under Water from Climate Change by 2015

That wasn’t all ABC News thought would be going on by 2015 as predicted in its 2008 news special entitled Earth 2100. As Newsbusters’ Scott Witlock reports, the news department also claimed that by 2015 we’d be paying $9 per gallon for gasoline, that milk would cost $13 a gallon, and that many other parts of the US would be under water thanks to that “settled science.”

ABC wasn’t done with the doomsaying, either. Here in the real 2015 researchers estimate that there are about 7.125 billion people on the planet. But in 2008 ABC was sure that by its assumed 2015 the earth’s population would have dwindled to a mere 2.7 billion due to food shortages, clean water shortages, wars, and increased temperatures.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/06/13/nailed-it-abc-predicted-nyc-would-be-under-water-from-climate-change-by-2015/

There's an old book called "When Prophecy Fails." It documents the activities of a cult, back in the '50s, that believed they were in special communications with aliens who were going to come save them, and them alone, from the evils of earth and mankind.

They even announced the exact time and place where the spaceship would land, and all the followers disposed on all their worldly goods, deeding their houses to charities, and ****, and got in line to board the ship. For some reason, God only knows what reason, but some damn reason, that ship never came.

So, did they denounce and abandon their bizarre beliefs? HELL, NO! They doubled down, and clung to the belief that they would be saved and that things would go better next time around. They claimed someone in their group with "impure thoughts" deterred the aliens from landing (among various other excuses), but were certain they would be back soon.

That's the way it is with fanatics, ya know?
camlok
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:38 pm
@Baldimo,
Why would all those US scientific bodies keep saying what they are saying, Baldimo? Why would NASA keep up that "lie"? There actually some scientists who are independent still in the US.
camlok
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:41 pm
@layman,
Quote:
There's an old book called "When Prophecy Fails." It documents the activities of a cult that they were in special communications with alien who were going to come save them, and them alone, from the evils of earth and mankind.

They even announced the exact time and place where the spaceship would land, and all the followers disposed on all their worldly good, deeding their houses to charities, and ****, and got in line to board the ship. For some reason, God only knows what reason, but some damn reason. That ship never came.


You are describing the USA, layman.
Lash
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:43 pm
When is the last time the US gave Japan a ride to a rumble?

This is mind-boggling!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/japanese-warships-join-us-fleet-north-korea?CMP=fb_gu

We're joining forces against Worst Korea.
camlok
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:46 pm
@Lash,
Gee, Lash supporting US terrorism. I'm shocked!
layman
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:48 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

You are describing the USA, layman.


Naw, I'm just describing the wack-ass mentality of people like you, who insist that 9/11 was an inside job, perpetrated by Americans.

I mean, like, how wack can ya get, I ask ya?
camlok
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:49 pm
@Lash,
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When is the last time the US gave Japan a ride to a rumble?


Near the end of WWII, when the US enlisted right wing reactionary Japanese forces to help it create the fictional South Korea. And thousands upon thousands of Koreans died.

The same thing the US tried in Vietnam. You really have got to connect the dots in history, Lash.
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Lash
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:50 pm
@camlok,
None of us knows what will happen, silly pants.
I'm thinking we all park outside his house, rev our engines, shoot him the bird, and come home.
camlok
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:57 pm
@layman,
When you follow science, layman, you can't be wacky. Wacky is refusing to address the science out of fear that it will crush your terribly wacky world view.

How wacked out do people have to be to support a nation that has been at war for 93% of its years in existence, a nation that has slaughtered tens of millions just since WWII, a nation that murdered 500,000 Iraqi children just for its geopolitical ends, which just means stealing others wealth?
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Baldimo
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:58 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
Why would all those US scientific bodies keep saying what they are saying, Baldimo? Why would NASA keep up that "lie"?

Why is there still a Catholic Church and priests in the day and age of science?

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There actually some scientists who are independent still in the US.

I'm sure there are some, but they don't hold positions in the institutions that push climate change science. Why would they hire someone who disagree's with them and why would they work for a place they disagree with? I'm not one to deny that the climate changes, because it has changed and it continues to change. The only thing the climate scientists seem to get correct is that things change, it's the reason for the change they can't seem to get right. We are a little blue ball in a big universe and there are still things we don't understand about how the universe works let alone how our own planet works. I ultimately think anything they do to keep the planet static is going to do more harm than good, it's the worst form of hubris.
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layman
 
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Wed 12 Apr, 2017 03:59 pm
@Lash,
We enlisted Japan's aid for a reason, I figure. We can send them in first to commit the kinda widespread human atrocities which they are known for. They have proven their expertise, diligence, and relentlessness in executing such matters.

That way we can say we didn't do it. We can just nuke them, an area of warfare where we have demonstrated our pre-eminence. Between the two, them Koreans don't stand no chance, eh?

I'm told that, in South Korea alone, we have over 500 nukes trained on various parts of North Korea. It aint gunna be nuthin nice.
 

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