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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:05 pm
@Blickers,
Do I smell impeachment or is that faux smell?
Blickers
 
  3  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:10 pm
@giujohn,
Quote giujohn:
Quote:
She asked the names to be unmasked and disseminated them...

She didn't disseminate the names. She had every right to find out who the people were who were picked up talking to the target of the surveillance, the Russian ambassador. But there is no evidence that she told anyone, therefore she broke no law. And the Trump Administration, from the Chief Executive to the Attorney General on down, do NOT want any investigation whatsoever about this because inevitably the numerous entanglements of the Trump team with the Kremlin will become even more clear and detailed. Obviously, the last thing Trump wants.
layman
 
  0  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:10 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
She had every right to find out who the people were who were picked up talking to the target of the surveillance.


Wrong. Even though she was authorized to request unmasking, she had no absolute right to that information either. Only 20 people are authorized to make such requests, but they can't ask for the information just "out of curiosity."

The redacted report must be "incomprehensible" without knowledge of the names, for one thing. And it must relate to foreign intelligence. Rice can't identify and spy on people via FISA "just to see who's up to what," no matter how badly she might like to know for political reasons and purposes.


Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:15 pm
@layman,
The target was the Russian ambassador. The Russian ambassador is obviously going to pass whatever intelligence he can get back to the Kremlin. I don't see how she wasn't entitled to that information.

PS: What the hell was the Russian ambassador, Kisylak, doing at the Republican convention anyway? Making some down payments on some future projects?
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:25 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

The target was the Russian ambassador. The Russian ambassador is obviously going to pass whatever intelligence he can get back to the Kremlin. I don't see how she wasn't entitled to that information.


Ya don't, eh? I can see the convo now:

U.S Person; Trump will be holding a rally in Pennsylvania tomorrow and will probably mention Putin in his speech. You're welcome to attend if you'd like.

Ambassador: I will report this to Putin immediately.

Rice: This report is incomprehensible to me unless I know THE NAME of "U.S. Person"!!!!!

Ya know, the U.S. has ambassadors all over the globe, to spread goodwill, etc. I don't think a single one of those countries make it illegal for those ambassadors to talk to anybody in their country (or vice versa).

Guess what? It's not illegal here, either.
giujohn
 
  -1  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:32 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Manafort spent years working for a Kremlin backed Ukrainian political party. His name was found on a log detailing illegal payments


Show me the statues making it ilegal and the proof he did it.
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layman
 
  -1  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:42 pm
@Blickers,
By the way, the fact that Rice went on national TV a few days ago, lying through her teeth when she said she had no idea that any Trump associates had been "incidentally" recorded, does NOT suggest that she thought she had "every right" to do what she did, eh?
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:51 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote giujohn:
Quote:
She asked the names to be unmasked and disseminated them...

She didn't disseminate the names. She had every right to find out who the people were who were picked up talking to the target of the surveillance, the Russian ambassador. But there is no evidence that she told anyone, therefore she broke no law. And the Trump Administration, from the Chief Executive to the Attorney General on down, do NOT want any investigation whatsoever about this because inevitably the numerous entanglements of the Trump team with the Kremlin will become even more clear and detailed. Obviously, the last thing Trump
wants.


She most certainly did allow the names to be disseminated, otherwise it would have never been leaked to the press. It is a violation to disseminate or cause to be disseminated those names to other intelligence agencies other than the NSA who originally collected them.

And I can't wait to find out if she shared it with Ben Rhodes or Barrack!!! (Which we're all sure she did)
Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:01 pm
@giujohn,
Quote giujohn:
Quote:
She most certainly did allow the names to be disseminated, otherwise it would have never been leaked to the press.

Layman just said that 20 people had clearance to request those names. Plus, leaks could occur at the FBI level, (the people who did the recording), and very possibly elsewhere.

Once again, you have no evidence she gave those names to the press, but you just post and post that she did to re-inforce the talking points you were given to post on here.
layman
 
  0  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:05 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Yes, IF it is true that Rice leaked the names.


You have a point here. She could well have just been an accomplice. She illegally got the names, but it was probably Obama who made sure it got leaked (with "plausible deniability" by him and his homegirl, Rice) by ordering the dissemination of those names to everybody and his brother within his administration.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:07 pm
@Blickers,
CNN reported that Rice accusation is false.
Apr 3, 10pm
Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:22 pm
@layman,
Quote Layman:
Quote:
I can see the convo now:

U.S Person; Trump will be holding a rally in Pennsylvania tomorrow and will probably mention Putin in his speech. You're welcome to attend if you'd like.

Ambassador: I will report this to Putin immediately.

Rice: This report is incomprehensible to me unless I know THE NAME of "U.S. Person"!!!!!


Hilarious. Except, you don't know the conversation went anything like that. You don't know what was being said.

And considering that the person was a former general who had access to military secrets during his military service, and who was advising Trump during the campaign on national security issues, then the then-present national security advisor, Rice, should be allowed to know who this person is. Especially since a few months ago Flynn, who was privy to top secrets a few years ago and advising one of the major candidates on national security issues at the time of the recording, had a show on Putin's own propaganda TV network, Russia Today, (RT). And Flynn went to Moscow to celebrate RT's tenth anniversary broadcasting anti-American propaganda, and got to sit next to the great Vladimir himself during the celebration. In fact, Flynn got the whole crowd all whipped up with an enthusiastic introduction to his buddy Putin's speech.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2aj9y4n.jpg

No national security issues in the Flynn-Trump bromance? I think there are.
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:24 pm
Well, you can bet that Rice will be seeking immunity to testify, eh? CNN (a favorite cheese-eater source) says:

Quote:
House Intel Committee wants names of Obama officials who sought “unmasking” of Americans picked up by surveillance

The leaders of the House Intelligence Committee asked the three leaders of the intelligence community Wednesday about any time during the last seven months of the Obama administration whenever any of its agents and officials improperly named, or "unmasked," and disseminated the identities of American citizens picked up in intelligence collection.

[They] were concerned that members of the intelligence community have not been sufficiently honoring previously established "robust 'minimization procedures'" to protect the identities of US citizens, including "masking" their names.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/politics/house-intelligence-committee-unmasking/index.html

The democrats are going to regret this whole "let's investigate russia" campaign, eh?

In the meantime, despite a million leaks and a year's worth of surveillance, not a single fact has been reported which implicates Trump in any wrong-doing.

Good work, cheese-eaters!
Blickers
 
  5  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:39 pm
@layman,
Your article is from three weeks ago. Haven't seen Susan Rice in any trouble yet. And besides, the House Intelligence Committee is completely dysfunctional since chairman Nunes abandoned even the pretense of doing his job and became part of Trump's hoax to escape being found out.

If I understand this correctly, Nunes got intel from people in the White House and then gave it back to the White House, but couldn't share that information with anyone on his committee. Nobody has explained anything about why, if the White House already had the information, Nunes had to return to give this info to the president. And nobody has explained why the House Intelligence Committee hasn't met since Comey laid that bombshell about investigating the Trump-Russia connections.

And no, I don't believe the Democrats regret even one second of pursuing Trump's Russia connections that, if unchecked, will leave Eastern Europe as Russia's unwilling thrall again and endanger America's national security.
layman
 
  0  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:46 pm
@Blickers,
Seems Susie Rice was pretty chummy with Flynn, too. I wonder if she's a russian spy. Maybe just a complete phony. Maybe both.

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2017/04/RTX2YCSA/lead_960.jpg?1491237179
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layman
 
  0  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:51 pm
@Blickers,
Your "understanding" is incorrect. Sure that false story was published by CNN, but has since been debunked. And the reason he had to get the information from a "secure room" at the white house was because he was being stone-walled by the intelligence agencies. That "explanation" has been widely published.

Just because you're not personally aware of what's in the news (apart from CNN) doesn't mean "nobody" is, eh?
layman
 
  0  
Tue 4 Apr, 2017 12:20 am
Many experts (such as the creator of McAfee security software) have been pointing this out all along, eh?

Quote:
The Russia connection was first made by a private cybersecurity firm whose work has been treated as unassailable — until last week, when it had to rewrite and retract statements made to support that claim.

Back in June 2016, the DNC hired a private cybersecurity firm called CrowdStrike to determine who had hacked into their servers... CrowdStrike said Russia was behind the hack.

In July, intelligence agencies followed up, telling the White House that they had "high confidence" that Russia was behind the hack.

However, it turns out that they never had direct access to the DNC's hacked computer servers. The FBI said it repeatedly requested access and the DNC denied it to them, according to The Hill.

A source told The Hill that, as a result of this lack of access, "the FBI had no choice but to rely upon a third party for information."

The problem is that the evidence provided by CrowdStrike as proof that Russia was behind the hack had some experts scratching their heads, including the fact that the supposedly super-sophisticated hackers left so many clues pointing to Russia.

As Sam Biddle put it in December article for the liberal-leaning Intercept, "it's very hard to buy the argument that the Democrats were hacked by one of the most sophisticated, diabolical foreign intelligence services in history, and that we know this because they screwed up over and over again."

The Washington Post reported — in a story headlined "Cybersecurity Firm Finds Evidence That Russian Military Unit Was Behind DNC Hack" — that "CrowdStrike linked malware used in the DNC intrusion to malware used to hack and track an Android phone app used by the Ukrainian army.

Just four days later, CrowdStrike "revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign," the VOA reported.

So what are we left with? A claim that Russia hacked the DNC, based heavily on an organization whose credibility is now being called into question.


http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-the-claim-that-russia-hacked-the-dnc-just-fall-apart/

It's really no surprise that the DNC would absolutely refuse to let the FBI (whose specialty is detecting and prosecuting crimes) anywhere near it's computers, eh?

It's their right, of course. You can't be forced to incriminate yourself.
Blickers
 
  4  
Tue 4 Apr, 2017 12:34 am
@layman,
Quote Blickers:
Quote:
If I understand this correctly, Nunes got intel from people in the White House and then gave it back to the White House, but couldn't share that information with anyone on his committee. Nobody has explained anything about why, if the White House already had the information, Nunes had to return to give this info to the president.


Quote layman:
Quote:
Your "understanding" is incorrect. Sure that false story was published by CNN, but has since been debunked. And the reason he had to get the information from a "secure room" at the white house was because he was being stone-walled by the intelligence agencies.

So you just admitted that I'm right. The intel came from the White House, then Nunes claimed he had to give that information to the presiden, who is in the White House. Just like I said. And he also didn't share that information with anyone else on his committee. Just like I said.

So I was right. It doesn't make any sense. Nunes just wanted to disrupt the proceedings of the House Intelligence Committee, which opened up with a devastating opening statement by Comey and hasn't had any hearings since Nunes started his antics.
layman
 
  0  
Tue 4 Apr, 2017 12:42 am
Quote:
MSNBC: Covering Trump Surveillance Story Helps Russia ‘Undermine’ American Democracy

So desperate to discredit a bombshell Bloomberg report that former Obama National Security Adviser Susan Rice sought to unmask Trump transition officials caught up in intelligence surveillance, on Monday afternoon, MSNBC host Katy Tur outrageously suggested that simply reporting on the story was helping Russia “undermine our democratic institutions.”


http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2017/04/03/msnbc-covering-trump-surveillance-story-helps-russia-undermine

Fake MSNBC news is fine, but real news "undermines our democratic instituions," eh?

Heh, nice try, cheese-eaters.
layman
 
  0  
Tue 4 Apr, 2017 12:50 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
So you just admitted that I'm right. The intel came from the White House...


Wrong again. I said he could only see the information at a white house secure room. You really should read more, and more carefully, ya know? And better yet, read some neutral sources, not just the left-wing rags who work hard to put a misleading slant on things. Here ya go, from CNBC:

Quote:
"Chairman Nunes met with his source at the White House grounds in order to have proximity to a secure location where he could view the information provided by the source," said his spokesman, Jack Langer.

Nunes told Bloomberg View columnist Eli Lake that his source was an intelligence official and not a White House staffer.


 

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