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hightor
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 07:14 am
@Lash,
Quote:
What exactly is the difference between the deals previous administrations and the Clinton campaign worked out with Russian entities and the ones the Trump administration is suspected of?

First thing, duly elected administrations have the right to make deals with foreign countries; that's one of the things governments do.

I think you'll have to be more specific about deals "the Clinton campaign worked out with Russian entities". Can you give some examples from reputable sources? What promises were made? Any money change hands?

As far as "the ones the Trump administration is suspected of", these are not yet proven as we don't know whether or not they even exist. They might not even apply to the Trump administration if they were just actions of campaign operatives.

Best thing would be to insist that the investigations are carried out professionally and impartially, and try not jumping to conclusions until the evidence has been collected, evaluated, and released.
Lash
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 07:21 am
@giujohn,
I have attempted to look at this dispassionately, and I can easily see why you feel he's being lynched. It's a fair claim. I've never seen the media with knives out like this before.

Aside from all that, he's his own worst enemy. He's painted himself with a big bulls' eye, and acts surprised that he's attracting arrows. My 'general principle' was shorthand for his outrageous flouting of law and presidential behavior.

As Clinton's impeachment showed, a legitimate case can be brought against almost all presidents--the variable is: how popular is the president, and what is the strength and support among his party members?

Trump offers too much legitimate fodder for impeachment, has no public popularity, and very shaky party support. I know that there are quiet talks about President Pence among the party loyal in Congress. It will happen.
Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 07:23 am
@hightor,
People talk about politics here.
People discuss events, and they offer opinions.
I do that, too.

hightor
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 07:36 am
@Lash,
Quote:
People discuss events, and they offer opinions.

That's not in dispute.

I asked you for some facts concerning the deals you say were made by the Clinton campaign and stated that we don't have all the evidence concerning the allegations against Trump.

If we want to compare the deals made by the two sides we have to know what the deals actually were. Right?

So the best thing is to keep the pressure on Congress to investigate the charges fully. When we know what took place we'll be in a much better position to know whether prosecution of Clinton or impeachment of Trump should move forward.
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Lash
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 07:51 am
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37639370

Quite telling to see Huma Abedin call Hillary out to other staffers regarding her dirty Clinton Global Initiative favor-selling.

I'm certain I know your response.
farmerman
 
  5  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 08:05 am
@Lash,
The fact has been satisfactorily presented and verified that Hillary is a computer SDUnce. A complete idiot whose every program need is done for her and is chosen more for continuity than for some nefarious world affecting "plot"(lik stealing young girls for slave trade).
Shes been given credit by orgs like FAux for doing things that
1. she is really unable to even fathom

2. he has lt counter records in that, whatever has been "leaked" has been doctored by someone else other than her staffers

Her own ignorance of the mechanics of how the internet (qnd even computers ) work is a swlf evident defense.
That bit of fact has been carefully swept under the rugs by the Trumpistas

snood
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 08:13 am
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/17523504_10154265879320178_4208385478308073217_n.png?oh=d663607ed366381b12cf7f03e2b469bd&oe=5994F9B4
Lash
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 08:31 am
@farmerman,
So disappointing that you would repeat and support that totally lame-ass narrative.

Notice no one whose personal emails were spread across the world have fought back with their actual emails to clear their names and take Wikileaks down.

Any innocent person would.

So sad to see thinking people absolve such corruption.
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hightor
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 08:36 am
@Lash,


You mean this?

Quote:
Morocco 'quid pro quo'

Mrs Clinton's aide Huma Abedin, usually known for her unflinching loyalty, was blunt in her criticism of her boss over a Clinton Foundation summit in Morocco.

At the time of the meeting in Marrakesh, in May 2015, Mrs Clinton was no longer secretary of state but about to announce her campaign for president. But four months before it took place, Abedin voiced concern about her pulling out. "If HRC was not part of it, meeting was a non-starter," she warned. "She created this mess and she knows it."

The implication from the leaked emails is that a $12m donation from the king of Morocco was dependent on Mrs Clinton attending the summit.

"Her presence was a condition for the Moroccans to proceed so there is no going back on this," Abedin wrote to campaign manager Robbie Mook in a November 2014 email.

In the end, Mrs Clinton decided not to attend and sent husband Bill and daughter Chelsea instead. There is no record of a $12m donation.

Mr Mook on Sunday said there was no evidence of wrongdoing or "quid pro quo", and that his emails with Abedin showed he simply did not want any scheduling distractions for Mrs Clinton.


What's illegal? HRC was a private citizen raising money for a charitable foundation with a worldwide reach. What response am I supposed to have? It's sleazy? Sure. There's no argument there.
Lash
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 09:02 am
@hightor,
An honest answer to why it is sleazy, as you say, is also why it is illegal.
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revelette1
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 09:38 am
Quote:
@Dan Scavino Jr.
.@realDonaldTrump is bringing auto plants & jobs back to Michigan. @justinamash is a big liability.
#TrumpTrain, defeat him in primary.


twitter

Quote:
The Hatch Act of 1939, officially An Act to Prevent Pernicious Political Activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government, except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials of that branch,[1] from engaging in some forms of political activity. The law was named for Senator Carl Hatch of New Mexico. It was most recently amended in 2012.


Quote:
President Barack Obama signed the Hatch Act Modernization Act of 2012 on December 28, 2012. It modified penalties under the Hatch Act to allow for disciplinary actions in addition to removal for federal employees; clarified the applicability to the District of Columbia of provisions that cover state and local governments; limited the prohibition on state and local employees running for elective office to employees whose salary is paid completely by federal loans or grants.[20]


wikipedia
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old europe
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 09:52 am
@Lash,
Let's see. Here's your original question:

Quote:
What exactly is the difference between the deals previous administrations and the Clinton campaign worked out with Russian entities and the ones the Trump administration is suspected of?


You're stating as fact that the Clinton campaign had worked out deals with Russian entities.

When asked to give some examples from reputable sources, here's your reply:

Lash wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37639370

Quite telling to see Huma Abedin call Hillary out to other staffers regarding her dirty Clinton Global Initiative favor-selling.


and here's the referenced part from the article:

Quote:
Mrs Clinton's aide Huma Abedin, usually known for her unflinching loyalty, was blunt in her criticism of her boss over a Clinton Foundation summit in Morocco.

At the time of the meeting in Marrakesh, in May 2015, Mrs Clinton was no longer secretary of state but about to announce her campaign for president. But four months before it took place, Abedin voiced concern about her pulling out. "If HRC was not part of it, meeting was a non-starter," she warned. "She created this mess and she knows it."

The implication from the leaked emails is that a $12m donation from the king of Morocco was dependent on Mrs Clinton attending the summit.

"Her presence was a condition for the Moroccans to proceed so there is no going back on this," Abedin wrote to campaign manager Robbie Mook in a November 2014 email.

In the end, Mrs Clinton decided not to attend and sent husband Bill and daughter Chelsea instead. There is no record of a $12m donation.

Mr Mook on Sunday said there was no evidence of wrongdoing or "quid pro quo", and that his emails with Abedin showed he simply did not want any scheduling distractions for Mrs Clinton.


Nothing about Russia. Nothing about "deals the Clinton campaign worked out with Russian entities."

And even though you've moved the goals posts rapidly, from the allegation that the Clinton campaign worked with Russian entities to the allegation that the Clinton Global Initiative was selling favors, there's ultimately no evidence of that either in the article you linked.
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 09:59 am
Mrs Clinton had not just no coat tails as a candidate, she lost the congress also.
revelette1
 
  4  
Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:04 am
@edgarblythe,
So you think if Sander's had won democrats would have swept away both houses? Did Sander's supporters just get their noses out of joint and decide not to vote for any democrats whatsoever?
giujohn
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:16 am
@oralloy,
I stand corrected... Very informative.
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giujohn
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:18 am
@Lash,
I'm curious to know what you consider legitimate fodder for impeachment that Trump has done.
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:42 am
@giujohn,
Remember though, he doesn't advocate for people to be able to live the life he did. If you listen to him and a majority of those on the left, hard work doesn't pay off, and if it does it wasn't because of your hard work, it was due to others around you and the govt providing you all that help.

He didn't build that, the govt did...
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giujohn
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 10:44 am
I am a Tom Perez booster and supporter. He is moving the DNC so far to the left that I can't hardly wait for the midterm elections.

Tom...You go boy!
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revelette1
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2017 11:35 am
Not that I think it will stop his confirmation but Democrats have the votes to filibuster Neil Gorsuch.
 

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