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izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 19 Jan, 2021 04:13 pm
On a more general note, one thing that struck me was the huge change in personnel when the Whitehouse changes hands. We don’t have anything like the same changes. Most of the people working in Downing Street are professional civil servants and they stay on regardless. It's only the people at the top that change, the nuts and bolts stays the same.
hightor
 
  0  
Tue 19 Jan, 2021 04:14 pm
@Brandon9000,
Ask Mitch McConnell.
BillW
 
  0  
Tue 19 Jan, 2021 04:26 pm
@izzythepush,
We do to, tRump screwed that up also. Many professional Civil Servants either quit or were illegally canned by tRump and replaced with his simpletons! Heads of agencies and departments (leadership) are political and therefore normally replaced by Presidential change.

That said, the US Federal Government has "As of 2016, there were around 4,000 political appointment positions which an incoming administration needs to review, and fill or confirm, of which about 1,200 require Senate confirmation." Whereas, the British federal government has about 120.

A large explanation of this difference is the US has a great deal of power residing in the Senate while GB has their power residing in the Prime Minister.
BillW
 
  -1  
Tue 19 Jan, 2021 04:56 pm
@BillW,
Another point:

Political appointees keep their jobs at the whim of the President and/or their bosses (Secretary, Department head, etc.). A civil servant is far more difficult to get rid of.
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snood
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 05:08 pm
Listening to and watching the first Black Catholic Cardinal Wilton Gregory give the opening prayer for the first and only national memorial service for the hundreds of thousands of casualties of the Covid pandemic. Those lives are finally getting acknowledged.

It occurs to me that we have all suffered trauma during these last four years. Damage to our faith in our institutions and even in our fellow human beings. I think we all need to recover from the destruction that we’ve just come through.

So I’m going to have Joe and Kamala and all of our new leadership in my prayers. And I’m going to try to appreciate the country that still stands and the life that yet remains.

Congratulations to all of us who have been hanging on these last few years, for making it through to the possibility of living again a little freer, and in a little brighter light.
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Region Philbis
 
  1  
Tue 19 Jan, 2021 05:50 pm
@Region Philbis,
I wrote:
Two army national guard members removed from inauguration duty
(cnn)
ten more have been removed...
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hingehead
 
  1  
Tue 19 Jan, 2021 06:17 pm
@snood,
Here you go:
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/drum-major-instinct-sermon-delivered-ebenezer-baptist-church

Ctrl F for Birmingham to see this particular anecdote in this sermon delivered at Ebenezer Baptist Church 4th Feb 1968.

I'm assuming Stanford's The Martin Luther King, Jr. Research and Education Institute is reliable.

But again thanks for the tip - I hadn't considered misrepresentations when posting but I'm sure there was at least one rolling around a couple of years ago by some prominent right winger.
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snood
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 07:15 pm
Dang. He’s going out as an even bigger punkass bitch than I thought.
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oralloy
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 08:04 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
I don't agree with that. You aren't, for instance. C0ntinually arguing from your own political perspective isn't "soapboxing". But submitting post after post, link after link, about thoroughly discredited ideas and actively spreading packaged disinformation from discredited sources is not allowed.

Who decides what is discredited?

What if this credibility committee decides that the truth is what should be discredited?


hightor wrote:
Think of the "9/11 Truthers" -- they can have their say, but bringing it up in every post

Even in threads where that is the topic of the thread?

I don't recall Coldjoint going off topic and posting politics on non-political threads.


hightor wrote:
and abusing people who don't believe you or your sources is unacceptable.

I've never seen Coldjoint abuse anyone. All the abuse comes from progressives.
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snood
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 08:05 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

What is wrong with his departure? I'm waiting for some nice pardons.


Why do you even ask?
You can’t acknowledge anything wrong about anything the asshole did.
You and people like you don’t assign responsibility to Trump for ANYTHING wrong that’s happened on his watch.
Your willful blindness is a big part of the problem.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 19 Jan, 2021 08:05 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
The election WAS stolen, but not by election fraud. It was stolen by main stream media (representing 'liberals'). They did not think the majority had enough wisdom to decide this election, so they OVERTLY manipulated the necessary 2% to sway the election. I will never trust them again. Especially PBS who was the most egregious offender.

I'm disappointed in the media too.

If I decide to migrate from PBS, do you know of a good journalistic source that is not so biased and misleading?
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jcboy
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 08:07 pm
At noon tomorrow the four year nightmare is over!
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oralloy
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 08:09 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:
Are you really? The 'regulation' they want to enact is to ensure that 'liberals' determine the allowed speech they are allowed to carry. And by extension, what you are allowed to say publicly. Their hypocrisy has never been more evident.

What I'd like to see is these huge tech companies broken up so they effectively no longer exist.

If the Democrats pass laws allowing the control of political speech, that may backfire on them. Conservatives would try to seize the control mechanisms and then use them to silence the left.
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oralloy
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 08:10 pm
@revelette3,
Quote:
Black activists are coming out strongly against a growing narrative among conservatives that equates the deadly siege on the U.S. Capitol with last summer's Black Lives Matter protests of racial injustice.

Republican lawmakers defending President Donald Trump made the comparison again Wednesday while building their case against impeachment and accused Democrats of being hypocrites with selective outrage. Their comments mark the latest effort by Trump and the GOP to misrepresent the Black Lives Matter movement as an extremist, violent faction tied to anarchists.

"You can moan and groan, but he was far more explicit about his calls for peace than some of the BLM and left-wing rioters were this summer when we saw violence sweep across this nation," Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida said in defending Trump before the House voted 232-197 to impeach the president for inciting an insurrection.

But the two events were fundamentally different. One was an intentional, direct attack on a hallowed democratic institution, with the goal of overturning a fair and free election.

Wrong. It was a peaceful protest against perceived Democratic cheating.


Quote:
The other was a coast-to-coast protest movement demanding an end to systemic racism

Wrong. It was a demand that black people be allowed to murder police officers and rape and murder white people with impunity.


Quote:
The president in a tweet called the Capitol rioters "great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long."

A fair description.


Quote:
Over the summer, he called the Black Lives Matters protesters "thugs" and "terrorists."

Thugs certainly.

But probably not terrorists. That has a pretty specific meaning.


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Equating the pro-Trump rioters to the Black Lives Matter movement could lead to even heavier law enforcement surveillance and actions against BLM, said Scott Roberts of Color of Change, the nation's largest digital racial justice advocacy group.

Sounds good to me.


revelette3 wrote:
I don't think needs additional words, it speaks for itself for indisputable evidence of what is going on in our nation. I don't know how we are going to heal until we understand it and try to deal with the deep racial prejudices both in government/law enforcement and our citizens.

How would you propose dealing with progressives who think black people should be allowed to rape and murder white people?
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oralloy
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2021 08:11 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

That ten minute video of a progressive spouting ignorance?

Someone posted it on another thread. I clicked it off after 20 seconds.
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