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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 12:21 pm
@Sturgis,
It's collected every fortnight (in my place only once a month).
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 12:51 pm
Posters respond to Trump’s prediction of “wild" day with discussion of potential bloodshed and advice on sneaking guns into D.C.

Pro-Trump forums erupt with violent threats ahead of Wednesday’s rally against the 2020 election
Quote:
Far-right online forums are seething with references to potential violence and urging supporters of President Trump to bring guns to Wednesday’s protests in Washington — in violation of local laws — as Congress meets to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

Many of the posts appear to be direct responses to Trump’s demands that his supporters pack the nation’s capital in support of his bogus claims that November’s national vote for Biden resulted from election fraud. Congress’s largely ceremonial role in confirming Biden’s victory has emerged as a catalyst for expected unrest that has D.C. police and the National Guard deploying on city streets to quell potential trouble.

Talk of guns and potential violence is rife on the encrypted messaging app Telegram, the conservative social media site Parler and on thedonald.win, an online forum that previously operated on Reddit before the company banned it in June after years of racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism and calls for violence.

Trump’s tweet last month pushing baseless fraud claims and promoting the “big protest” on Jan. 6 — “Be there, will be wild!” — has become a central rallying cry. It was the top post on thedonald.win Tuesday morning, and anonymous commenters saw it as a call to action: “We’ve got marching orders,” the top reply said.

Discussion in the thread followed about how most effectively to sneak guns into Washington, laced with occasional references to using them. D.C. has some of the nation’s strictest gun laws: Openly carrying guns is banned, concealed-carry licenses from other states aren’t recognized, and all firearms in the District must be registered with local police.

Of carrying guns in D.C., one poster in the thread wrote, “Yes, it’s illegal, but this is war and we’re clearly in a post-legal phase of our society.” Wrote another: “LIVE AS A FREE AMERICAN AND BRING YOUR ARMS!”

More than half of the top 50 posts on thedonald.win’s homepage Monday related to Wednesday’s certification featured calls of violence within the top five comments, according to research by Advance Democracy, a group headed by former FBI analyst and Senate investigator Daniel J. Jones, who lead the review of the CIA’s torture program.

The group said thedonald.win had more than 18 million visits in November, and the recent posts with calls for violence had more than 40,000 engagements. One particularly troubling post said protesters should travel in groups that should “not let [anyone] disarm someone without stacking bodies.” It added that protesters should be “ARMED WITH RIFLE, HANDGUN, 2 KNIVES AND AS MUCH AMMO AS YOU CAN CARRY.”

In one thread promoted by moderators Tuesday morning, titled “GOOD LUCK PATRIOTS, THE EYES OF THE WORLD LOOK UPON YOU NOW!!!,” posters shared tactical guides on how to avoid police blockades and D.C. gun laws, including: “If you plan on carrying concealed, don’t tell anyone you have a gun.” One commenter responded, “We The People, will not tolerate a Steal. No retreat, No Surrender. Restore to my President what you stole or reap the consequences!!!”

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Region Philbis
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 01:20 pm

ha ha...

Federal judge denies last-minute Trump effort to decertify Biden’s victory in Georgia

The ruling from the bench by Judge Mark H. Cohen denying the emergency petition brought the number of
legal defeats that Trump and his allies have suffered since Election Day to more than 60...
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 02:21 pm
Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, said that under newly imposed virus restrictions, which prohibit all but essential travel, a visit by the president to one of his Scottish golf resorts, Trump Turnberry, would not be acceptable.

izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 02:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It shows how detached from reality Trump is if he thinks Nicola Sturgeon, of all people would let him cower away up there.
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vikorr
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 04:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I've just watched enough of the Gabriel Sterling press conference to hear the claims regarding the fulton county election office that was shut down, then the bags were dragged out 'after everyone left' and counting continued (the claim being the full video shows they were going to shut down, but were told by the GSOS to continue, so they took the boxes they sealed for the night and put under the tables back out and continued).

The full video appears to have been viewed by multiple investigators who back this up - so what Trump & his team did (removing the context so that it looked dodgy) and then claimed, is absolutely fraudulent.

The rest of his statements didn't have quite that amount of source material, but still - the explanations he went through were interesting - and being in the Republican system - there is no reason for him to lie. And he is essentially saying that Trump and his team have been selling turds and claiming they're gold.

These explanations are very much in keeping with that phonecall.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:17 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
Then why did Trump make that phone call this past Saturday, weeks after Georgia and every other state certified the election results, after the electoral college convened, after Georgia's 3 separate recounts, and so on?

Because he feels that he is being cheated.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:18 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
If Trump wants Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes, then he can have them.

From your lips to God's ears.


Rebelofnj wrote:
Biden would still be over the 270 vote threshold.

True, but taking Wisconsin's votes (or even merely making a serious attempt) would be the perfect act of disrespect to kick off the next four years of anti-Biden resistance.


Rebelofnj wrote:
Though, it seems unlikely Wisconsin's votes will change to Trump.

All it takes is a Congress voting to accept the Trump slate from Wisconsin instead of the Biden slate of electors.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:19 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
No he doesnt, hes really not that stupid, (prhaps hes got you under his spell but he sure aint buyin his own BS).

Disagreeing with your demented ideology is not a sign of stupidity.

And yes, he genuinely believes that he is being cheated.


farmerman wrote:
He is afraid of his post presidency legal life. He fears financial loss and even prison.
Thats the only reason that hes continuing his entire charade, he fears "The Orange Duds Clothier".

Democratic abuse of power is a real problem. It is why we need to outlaw the Democratic Party.


farmerman wrote:
He is an amoral critter and he is showing his worth right now by abandoning any pretenses of leadership while a US citizen dies of covid every 30 seconds.

Be serious. It's Joe Biden's fault that those people are dying.

Mr. Trump is bringing us early vaccines to protect everyone.


farmerman wrote:
Such an evil self dealing person should NOT be given another term of office and should be repudiated by the GOP as a valid candidate in 2024

If he runs in 2024 I'm voting for him.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:20 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Sadly, what's going to happen is the Justice Department will launch investigations and all the bit-players will pay the price for the illegal, treasonous acts, and the malfeasance of people like Trump, his entire cabinet and all of the duds he installed in vital parts of our government....that enabled his attempt to destroy democracy.

No such crimes. No such treason. No such malfeasance.


glitterbag wrote:
I was with DOD during those events, and the buck never stopped with the responsible felons.

That's because there were no crimes committed to begin with.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:21 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
And you apparently live in your own pocket universe, completely insulated from the real world and reality.

Wrong again. It's progressives who deny reality. You cannot point out any untrue statements in my posts.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:47 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
The above are behaviours of people with honest beliefs who also want to be fair and legitimate about their claims...but Trump exhibits none of those types of behaviours.

I do not agree that your list describes how honest people would necessarily behave.

I do not agree that Mr. Trump's behavior is incompatible with the listed behaviors.
vikorr
 
  2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:50 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I do not agree that your list describes how honest people would necessarily behave.
And yet in the context of wanting a fair election (rather than wanting to win):
- you don't explain how the honest behaviours I described are anything but downright honest behaviours
- you give no alternative honest behaviours
- you give nothing of honest behaviours to compare Trumps behaviour to
Quote:
I do not agree that Mr. Trump's behavior is incompatible with the listed behaviors.
And yet, as per above:
- you offer no explanation of how they are supposedly compatible with the list I provided...

You say you deal in reality. Display it.
Region Philbis
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 08:54 pm

Pence to Trump: "No can do..." ... Smile

Pence on Tuesday told Trump that he does not have the authority to block certification of
President-elect Joe Biden's win when Congress meets to count electoral votes, sources told CNN.

Trump, who already had turned up the pressure on Pence to steal the election, warned him that
it would be politically "damaging" for Pence to refuse to block certification, according to a source
familiar with the conversation...
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Rebelofnj
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 08:59 pm
@oralloy,
Feeling that he is being cheated does not mean he is actually being cheated.

Trump has offered no substantial evidence of widespread voter fraud.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 09:35 pm
@Rebelofnj,
It doesn't matter. The fact that his intent was actually to prevent fraud means that his intent was not to commit fraud.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 09:37 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
- you don't explain how the honest behaviours I described are anything but downright honest behaviours

I'm not saying that they aren't.


vikorr wrote:
- you give no alternative honest behaviours
- you give nothing of honest behaviours to compare Trumps behaviour to

The range of honest behaviors is infinite. It would be futile to try to compile such a list.


vikorr wrote:
- you offer no explanation of how they are supposedly compatible with the list I provided...

I think Mr. Trump was asking for an actual recount. I don't think he changed his story. I think he believes he was having a conversation based on solid ground.
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 10:11 pm
I hope he goes away like "Lonsome Rhodes" of a "Face in the Crowd". That is still one of my favorite movies up there with PULP FICTION, INHERIT THE WIND, and JURASSIC PARK I.

Id like to see his chosen party finally get some balls an repudiate him and post him to their WALL OF SHAME.
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Wilso
 
  3  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 11:24 pm
There won’t be any massing of armed protestors or piling up of bodies. Most Trump supporters have big mouths and small balls. 10 years from now you’ll struggle to find anyone to even admit they voted the him.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 11:34 pm
@Wilso,
Hopefully.
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