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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 03:25 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

It's a race to the end, the thrill of it! Who's gonna win? The score now is:

Biden - 240 theRump - 229

Hint, California hasn't declared yet, they have 55 votes and it takes 270 to win! I don't know, will they all be faithless electors?

Still time to change the results and you know it. Congress can refuse to certify the votes which they do not do until Jan.6th. One Senator and one Congressman is all that is needed.

This is far from over.

lmur
 
  4  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 03:31 pm
@BillW,
Just had this wild thought that - on Inauguration Day - Joe whips off a motorcycle helmet, removes his face-mask and shakes loose his hair to reveal it was Hillary all along.
BillW
 
  2  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 03:32 pm
@lmur,
lmur wrote:

Just had this wild thought that - on Inauguration Day - Joe whips off a motorcycle helmet, removes his face-mask and shakes loose his hair to reveal it was Hillary all along.

😜🤗😝
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BillW
 
  3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 03:34 pm
@coldjoint,
You're a fool!!!!!! Pure and simple - do the world a favor..........
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hightor
 
  6  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 03:39 pm
Fact check: Deviation from Benford’s Law does not prove election fraud

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Social media users have been sharing posts that say a mathematical rule called Benford’s Law provides clear proof of fraud in the U.S. presidential election. However, research papers and academics consulted by Reuters consistently say that deviation from Benford’s Law does not prove election fraud took place.

Benford’s law says that in many naturally occurring sets of numbers, the first digits of these numbers (eg. the ‘1’ in ‘15’) are not evenly distributed. Measurements with a lower first digit occur more frequently: 1 is the first digit in a number about 30 percent of the time while 9 begins less than 5 percent of numbers. In certain data sets ranging from rainfall amounts to town populations, the numbers follow a Benford’s Law distribution. Deviation of data from Benford’s law has been examined in areas such as finance to detect if something is not right, for example fraud, mistakes or misstatements (here , here) .

The posts, such as those here and here , show graphs that compare candidate’s vote tallies by leading digit to the expected distribution according to Benford’s law in order to contend that Biden’s vote tallies do not follow Benford’s Law but Trump’s do. Posts state that Benford’s law is a test that has been used before to detect fraud (here) . Captions on the posts include, “Joe Biden’s votes violate Benford’s Law”; “It’s easy to win if you cheat”; “Statistically impossible odds […] now MATH doesn’t even agree with their faux victory.”

Reuters sought comment from experts regarding these claims.

Theodore P. Hill, Professor Emeritus of Mathematics at Georgia Tech, Atlanta, cautioned that regardless of the distribution uncovered, the application of Benford’s Law would not provide definitive evidence that fraud took place.

“First, I’d like to stress that Benford’s Law can NOT be used to “prove fraud”,” he told Reuters by email. “It is only a Red Flag test, that can raise doubts. E.g., the IRS has been using it for decades to ferret out fraudsters, but only by identifying suspicious entries, at which time they put the auditors to work on the hard evidence. Whether or not a dataset follows BL proves nothing.”

Walter Mebane, Professor at the Department of Political Science and Department of Statistics at the University of Michigan (here) authored a December 2006 article (here) around the application of Benford’s Law to the US presidential election results. The article suggested some limitations of the process, but said in the Abstract: “The test is worth taking seriously as a statistical test for election fraud.”

Nevertheless, Mebane’s article also said, in the Discussion: “In any case, the 2BL test on its own should not be considered proof either that election fraud has occurred or that an election was clean. A significant 2BL test result can be caused by complications other than fraud. Some kinds of fraud the 2BL test cannot detect.”

On Nov. 9, 2020, in response to “several queries” Mebane published a paper called “Inappropriate Applications of Benford’s Law Regularities to Some Data from the 2020 Presidential Election in the United States” (here). His paper says, “The displays shown at those sources using the first digits of precinct vote counts data from Fulton County, GA, Allegheny County, PA, Milwaukee, WI, and Chicago, IL, say nothing about possible frauds” before examining the reasons behind this statement.

“It is widely understood that the first digits of precinct vote counts are not useful for trying to diagnose election frauds,” he writes.

Elsewhere, a study called “Benford’s Law and the Detection of Election Fraud”, published in 2011 by Joseph Deckert, Mikhail Myagkov, Professor of Political Science at the University of Oregon (here) and Peter Ordeshook, Professor of Political Science at Caltech (here), found that Benford’s Law was “problematical at best” when applied to elections: “We find that conformity with and deviations from Benford's Law follow no pattern. […] Its “success rate” either way is essentially equivalent to a toss of a coin, thereby rendering it problematical at best as a forensic tool and wholly misleading at worst.” (here)

Dr Jen Golbeck, Professor of the College of Information Studies at the University of Maryland (www.cs.umd.edu/~golbeck/), said in a thread on Twitter (here) that the claims in the social media posts are false, citing the above article. She told Reuters, “There is just not solid evidence that Benford works in elections at all. The results are profoundly mixed. Which means it’s not evidence of anything.”

Golbeck points out that the numbers on some graphs being cited by social media users are not even labelled, whilst the law “works on very specific types of numbers”. She added that none of the research that analyzes the Benford Law is as simplistic as the analysis people are posting: instead, research uses “quite advanced statistical techniques”, often looking at the second digits which have their own expected distribution.

The specific case of the Milwaukee results was also examined by Professor Boud Roukema of Poland’s Nicolaus Copernicus University. Roukema considered the application of Benford’s Law to the 2009 Iranian elections (arxiv.org/abs/0906.2789) . He told Reuters by email: "A major flaw in applying Benford's law to the Milwaukee results is that the logarithmic distribution - how many "powers of tens" there are - in the numbers of votes per ward in Milwaukee is very narrow. In other words, half of all the wards have total votes from about 570 to 1200, and the logarithmic average (mean) is about 800.

“Biden overall got about 70% of the votes in Milwaukee. So the most likely vote for Biden (in the simplest model, assuming no falsification) in a typical Milwaukee ward is something like 0.7 times 800, which is 560 votes. We expect about half the Biden votes to lie between about 400 and 850 in typical Milwaukee wards.

“So the most popular first digit of the votes for Biden should be 5 - the first digit of 560 - and 4s and 6s and 7s should also be reasonably frequent.

“This is just what we see in the blue vertical bars in top left figure in the diagram at (here). So Benford's law reasoning, applied to the real data, shows no reason to suspect fraud here.”

The academic and digital research coalition Election Integrity Partnership also cautioned against the conclusion that deviation from Benford’s Law is evidence of election fraud (here). It pointed out that for the law to hold, all numbers must be equally likely to appear and the numbers must span multiple orders of magnitude (eg. Range from 100 to 10,000,000). They say that one of these conditions is not met in the election: “For vote tallies, all numbers are equally likely, but not all states meet the second assumption. In the state of Nevada, Esmeralda County has around 900 people while Clark County has over 2,250,000 people. In the state of Vermont, the bounds are much narrower.”
VERDICT

False. The degree to which Benford’s Law can be used as an indicator of electoral fraud has been debated by academics, but the application of the rule to the leading digit of local vote tallies is problematic and apparent deviation from the law cannot be used alone to prove electoral fraud, experts say.

reuters
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 03:40 pm
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🔴 LIVE: BREAKING Nevada GOP ELECTORS CAST VOTES FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP!!


This is not disinformation. I know some here deny what they see with their own eyes. Deny this.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 03:49 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Fact check: Deviation from Benford’s Law does not prove election fraud

No, but an error code set at 680% does. Biden is not going to be president.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:03 pm
Before someone tells me this is a symbolic vote, I know that. What it does is give the vice president the chance to pick the electors he chooses.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpNh5ygUcAAEfFY?format=png&name=360x360
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpNh5yhU8AAcSQM?format=png&name=small
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:09 pm
Quote:
Stephen Miller: 'Alternative Electors' Will Send Trump Votes to Congress

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Miller added that "as we speak, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we're going to send those results up to Congress. This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open. That means that if we win these cases in the courts, we can direct that the alternate state of electors be certified."

Miller said Trump supporters will be acting as "alternates" in the contested states of Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania and submit their own unofficial results.

If Trump's campaign succeeds in any of its continued legal efforts in those states, the "alternate" electors would be recognized by a joint session of Congress when it convenes on Jan. 6 to count the electoral votes and officially declare the winner of the election, Miller said.

and what the Washington Compost says
Quote:
The Washington Post reports that technically, alternative electors can meet and cast their own votes, as electors are picked for each candidate before the election is held. If their votes are then submitted to Congress, it must consider them.


https://www.newsmax.com/politics/stephen-miller-electors-electoral-college-congress/2020/12/14/id/1001436/
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:19 pm
@coldjoint,
Incredeibly dumb idea. The country has made it unmistakably clear, we do NOT want trump. get over it.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:20 pm
@coldjoint,
No it doesn't.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:24 pm
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Audit concludes Dominion voting machines are designed for fraud

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Report urges Trump to invoke 2018 order to protect national security

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The report states the forensic examination of the tabulation log for Dec. 6 found 68.05% -- 10,667 of 15,676 individual events -- were "recorded errors."

"These errors resulted in overall tabulation errors or ballots being sent to adjudication," the report says.

The high error rate "proves the Dominion Voting System is flawed and does not meet state or federal election laws."

The audit also noted vulnerabilities related to the ability of Dominion machines to be connected to the internet.

I had that error number wrong before. Either way it breaks election laws. federal and state.
https://www.wnd.com/2020/12/4877420/
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:25 pm
@coldjoint,
absolutely no possibility of any legality of the vote. pure futile sore loser theatrics.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:25 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Incredeibly dumb idea. The country has made it unmistakably clear, we do NOT want trump. get over it.

Incredibly legal. Biden will not be president.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:30 pm
Quote:
Republican electors in Pennsylvania, Georgia cast votes for Trump, hoping for court victories

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-electors-pennsylvania-georgia-vote-for-trump
BillW
 
  3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:32 pm
It's over again. theRump, cj, old dog and others on the right just love to lose! California takes Biden over the top!

TRUMP LOST!!!!! TRUMP LOST!!!!!! TRUMP LOST!!!!!TRUMP LOST!!!!!
Yet again!!!!
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farmerman
 
  3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:35 pm
@coldjoint,
JOE BIDEN ATTAINS 302 Electoral votes. THIS MEANS THAT YOURE FIRED
DONALD J TRUMP


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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:36 pm
@coldjoint,
wrong. congress would have to vote on it, and BOTH houses would have to agree. The House beyond question would not agree, and already enough republican senators have said no way for it to be far from clear even the senate would go along. as usual you're grasping at straws. and they're breaking in our hand. Biden wins.
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BillW
 
  3  
Mon 14 Dec, 2020 04:43 pm
Bill Barr leaves the sinking ship - rats coming to shore, everyone get out the poison!
 

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