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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 10:36 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Speaking of fraud...

 https://iili.io/FcHeee.jpg

Gloat now Trump should be able to prove computer fraud fairly easily. The "tail stuffing" is more than obvious. In fact in the charts the NYT posted it is blatant. Also the number of votes in MI could not be counted as fast as they were because the machines are not capable of doing it. A lot of people are going down.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 10:37 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

coluber2001 nails it with this link:

https://able2know.org/topic/540329-1#post-6928695

Pretty hard to nail **** to the wall, and probably pretty messy too.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 10:52 am
@coldjoint,
Well yes, that article truthfully points out just th a small portion of the **** trump has pulled on us. That is why we voted him out in a fair election. The **** is all trumps.
snood
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 10:56 am
Trump lost. Biden won.

On 1/20/21, Trump and his goofy kids, White nationalist advisor Miller, stable genius son-in-law, crooked AG Barr, warped Sec. St. Pompeo, and all of his destructive, incompetent cabinet members are going to start clearing out.

And all this desperate thrashing around like a caught fish trying to breathe air into this dead presidency notwithstanding...

There ain’t **** anyone can do about it.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 10:57 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Well yes, that article truthfully points out just th a small portion of the **** trump has pulled on us. That is why we voted him out in a fair election. The **** is all trumps.

The election was not fair and it will be proven and already is to 73 million Americans.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 10:59 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Trump lost. Biden won.

On 1/20/21, Trump and his goofy kids, White nationalist advisor Miller, stable genius son-in-law, crooked AG Barr, warped Sec. St. Pompeo, and all of his destructive, incompetent cabinet members are going to start clearing out.

And all this desperate thrashing around like a caught fish trying to breathe air into this dead presidency notwithstanding...

There ain’t **** anyone can do about it.

Biden's cabinet is full of corrupt lobbyists. Biden is corrupt. Trump is going to prevail. Get your gas can and your Anti-Fa hoodie readyy.
Quote:
There ain’t **** anyone can do about it


Just say we cheated and are traitors and there is nothing anyone can do about it. But there is. And there is plenty of time to get it done.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:10 am
Quote:
Look at this in Wisconsin! A day AFTER the election, Biden receives a dump of 143,379 votes at 3:42AM, when they learned he was losing badly. This is unbelievable! pic.twitter.com/nhiLMmyHBn

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2020

Quote:
Meanwhile, witnesses of voting fraud in Detroit, Michigan have come forward to detail alleged ballot dumps in favor of Biden. In a video testimony Wednesday, poll worker Kristina Karamo said she personally witnessed spoiled and invalid ballots being awarded to Biden.

“It was like so much going on, but I did personally witness the ballots being delivered between 3 o’clock and 3:30 a.m.,” she stated. “So I did personally witness ballots arriving at the time.”

Karamo, who worked at Detroit’s TCF Center, also said election officials did not review signatures on ballots. She added, suspicious batches of ballots were delivered to the TCF Center at night and all of them went to Biden.

Meanwhile, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is calling for an investigation of suspected voter fraud in key battleground states.


Paul can be a bulldog. Far from over and another witness to fraud.

Why isn't the media covering this? Because they cannot deny this? You bet. If it comes down to believing people or politicians the people will win.

https://www.oann.com/evidence-of-ballot-dumping-found-in-wis-mich/
https://www.oann.com/evidence-of-ballot-dumping-found-in-wis-mich/
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:10 am
Wayne County Republican who asked to ‘rescind’ her vote certifying election results says Trump called her
Quote:
DETROIT — President Trump called a GOP canvassing board member in Wayne County who announced Wednesday she wanted to rescind her decision to certify the results of the presidential election, the member said in a message to The Washington Post on Thursday.

“I did receive a call from President Trump, late Tuesday evening, after the meeting,” Monica Palmer, one of two Republican members of the four-member Wayne County canvassing board, told The Post. “He was checking in to make sure I was safe after hearing the threats and doxing that had occurred.”

The call came after an hours-long meeting Tuesday in which the four-member canvassing board voted to certify the results of the Nov. 3 election, a key step toward finalizing President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state.

For now, Trump’s intervention seemed unlikely to change the course of events in Michigan. Biden is winning the state by a wide margin, more than 148,000 votes. The state said Palmer’s board has done its job, and cannot retract its votes. The state’s board of canvassers is still scheduled to hold a hearing Monday to certify the results.

The president has now spent two weeks making false claims on Twitter, and filing lawsuits that have generally gone nowhere in the courts. Now, he has reached down to an obscure county-level official who had the power to block, or at least delay, the machinery to certify Biden’s victory.

In affidavits signed Wednesday evening, the two GOP members of the board allege that they were improperly pressured into certifying the election and accused Democrats of reneging on a promise to audit votes in Detroit.

In an interview, Palmer estimated that she talked with Trump for about two minutes Tuesday. She said she felt no pressure to change her vote. Palmer has said she received messages threatening her and her family during and after the tense Tuesday meeting.

“His concern was about my safety and that was really touching. He is a really busy guy and to have his concern about my safety was appreciated,” she told The Post.

Asked if they discussed the presidential vote count, she said: “It’s hard for me to describe. There was a lot of adrenalin and stress going on. There were general comments about different states but we really didn’t discuss the details of the certification.”

Asked again about possible pressure from such a call, Palmer said: “It was not pressure. It was genuine concern for my safety."

William Hartmann, the other Republican on the board, has signed a similar affidavit, according a person familiar with the document. Hartmann did not respond to a message from The Post.

Jonathan Kinloch, a Democrat and the board’s vice chairman, told The Post that it’s too late for the pair to reverse course, as the certified results have been sent to the secretary of state in accordance with state rules. He lashed out at the Republicans over their requests.

“Do they understand how they are making us look as a body?” he said. “We have such an amazing and important role in the democratic process, and they’re turning it on its head.”

Also on Thursday, the Trump campaign dropped a lawsuit it had filed in federal court to block Michigan from certifying its election results. In explaining the move, Trump’s lawyers said — incorrectly — that the Wayne County board had voted not to certify the county’s results.

The Secretary of State’s Office, which handles Michigan elections, has said that — after the Wayne County board voted to certify the election results Tuesday — the decision is now out of their hands, according to news reports.

“There is no legal mechanism for them to rescind their vote,” Tracy Wimmer, a spokeswoman for Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D), told The Washington Post. “Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify.”

At the heart of the dispute is a last-minute compromise between Kinloch and the Republicans to seek a comprehensive audit of results in the Detroit area, where the GOP members said the votes were out of balance — meaning the poll book, the official list of who voted, didn’t match the number of ballots received.

Palmer and Hartmann said in their affidavits that they believed they had a firm commitment to an audit. But Palmer says in her affidavit that Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D) later said she didn’t view their resolution asking for an audit as binding.

“I felt misled,” Palmer told The Post earlier Wednesday, before signing the affidavit. “I stand firm in not certifying Wayne County without the audit.”

Kinloch, though, said Palmer and Hartmann knew exactly what they were agreeing to Tuesday, and the board has yet to even formally ask Benson for the audit.

Palmer “knew it wasn’t binding,” Kinloch said. “We just voted yesterday.”

Kinloch said he and Palmer texted each other into the early hours of Wednesday, with the Democrat explaining he had support across the board for the request. But he said Palmer was aware he had not been able to directly reach the secretary of state’s office on Tuesday night.

He said the two also communicated about the need to prepare a joint letter to the secretary of state to ask for the audit.

Hours before signing the affidavit, Palmer told The Post that her experience Tuesday night had left her shaken. After first voting against certifying the results, a parade of activists and elections workers spoke to the board, with many accusing Palmer and Hartmann of racism for calling into question the results from majority-Black Detroit precincts.

“Last night was heartbreaking,” Palmer told The Post. “I sat in that chair for two hours listening to people attack me” as a racist who was attempting to disenfranchise Detroit residents. She said her intentions were the opposite — but her efforts have been lost in a sea of invective that night that included death threats against her and her family.

Palmer said she and Hartmann had been concerned since the primary vote last summer that a number of precincts were out of balance. She said she never believed that corrections, which were made in some precincts, would change the vote totals in the county or the state in a way that would upend the victory for Biden, who carried Michigan by nearly 150,000 votes.

“We were not delaying the inevitable,” said Palmer, referring to complaints that the GOP board members were stalling on behalf of Trump. “We always knew that the margin of victory was such that it was not going to change the result.”

After she filed her affidavit asking to rescind her vote, Kinloch accused her and Hartmann of bowing to pressure from the Republican Party and the White House, which has waged a legal campaign seeking to overturn the results of the election.

Trump supporters attacked the decision to certify the Wayne County vote all day Wednesday, with Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, describing criticisms of Palmer and Hartmann as “mob rule.”

In her interview with The Post, Palmer put it differently. “There wasn’t mob rule,” she said. There was pressure to certify, but she said she didn’t succumb to it. She only went forward, she said, because of the promise of an audit.

Kinloch lamented the late attempt by Republicans to change their vote.

“They’re playing with the vote and the will of the people,” Kinloch said.
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:13 am
Trump campaign drops Michigan election lawsuit, Rudy Giuliani says
PUBLISHED THU, NOV 19 202010:30 AM ESTUPDATED 6 MIN AGO
Kevin Breuninger

President Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani said the campaign is dropping an election-related lawsuit in Michigan.

The move represents the latest development in the campaign’s multi-state effort to challenge President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral victory.

A lawyer for the Trump campaign said the lawsuit was being withdrawn because the county’s board of canvassers “met and declined to certify the results of the presidential election.”

But the board did vote to certify the results, after an outcry over Republican members who initially voted not to do so.

Wayne County Board of Canvassers Chair Monica Palmer, left, talks with Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch before the board's Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2020 meeting in Detroit.

Wayne County Board of Canvassers Chair Monica Palmer, left, talks with Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch before the board’s Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2020 meeting in Detroit.

Robin Buckson | Detroit News | AP

President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign is dropping an election-related lawsuit in Michigan, the latest development in the multi-state effort to challenge President-elect Joe Biden’s projected electoral victory.

In a court filing Thursday morning, a lawyer for the Trump campaign said the lawsuit, which had sought to stop the certification of ballots in Wayne County, Michigan, was being withdrawn because the county’s board of canvassers “met and declined to certify the results of the presidential election.”

But that statement is false: The board voted to certify the results, after an outcry over Republican members who initially voted not to certify.

Those two GOP members now say they want to rescind their votes. But state officials say that is not possible, and that the certification is official.

In a statement from the Trump campaign, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said, “This morning we are withdrawing our lawsuit in Michigan.”

Giuliani said the withdrawal came “as a direct result of achieving the relief we sought: to stop the election in Wayne County from being prematurely certified before residents can be assured that every legal vote has been counted and every illegal vote has not been counted.”

But David Fink, a lawyer for the city of Detroit in the lawsuit, told CNBC, “They can put whatever spin they want on it. They dismissed the case because they were going to lose.”

“The so-called rescission of those votes has absolutely no legal significance,” Fink said. “The canvassing board made its decision and the votes will now be reviewed by the state canvassing board.”

The Trump campaign’s federal lawsuit had attempted to stop Wayne County, which contains the city of Detroit, from certifying its election results until swaths of ballots were cut from the final tally. Those would include “unlawfully cast ballots” and certain mail-in ballots received after Election Day, as well as votes tabulated solely using the Dominion software program.

Wayne County is the most populous area in Michigan, and voted overwhelmingly for Biden over Trump — 68% to 31%, respectively.

The county’s board of canvassers has become a major focus ahead of the national certification of election results next month. Two Republican members of the board initially refused to certify Wayne County’s vote, before reversing themselves earlier this week following widespread criticism.

Shortly thereafter, both members reversed their positions again. As of Wednesday, the canvassers were calling to rescind their votes to certify, and signed affidavits that were included in the Trump campaign’s notice of withdrawal Thursday.

Media outlets reported that the canvassers had been contacted by Trump directly on Tuesday evening.

One of them, Monica Palmer, told NBC News that she and Trump did not discuss her decision to rescind her vote “or anything like that.”

“My conversation with the President was about threats coming from the public and my safety — not about rescinding my vote,” Palmer told NBC.

The other GOP canvasser, William Hartman, in his affidavit wrote that he was “enticed to agree to certify based on the promise that a full and independent audit would take place.”

“I would not have agreed to the certification but for the promise of an audit,” Hartman wrote.

Palmer wrote in her own affidavit, “I fully believe the Wayne County vote should not be certified.”

A spokeswoman for Michigan’s secretary of state Jocelyn Benson, however, said the fight is over.

“There is no legal mechanism for them to rescind their vote. Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify,” press secretary Aneta Kiersnowski told NBC News.

A similar federal lawsuit challenging the vote counting in Wayne County, which was filed by two women, Angelic Johnson and Sarah Stoddard, was voluntarily dismissed by those plaintiffs on Thursday, according to court records.
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:17 am
@coldjoint,
Are uou going to whine and cry for the next 8 years about a legal election because your chief crook was rejected by a majority of the voters? Not a plurity but a majority.
snood
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:21 am
@coldjoint,
Yeah right. You Trumphiles are going to prove the election was a fraud, and Trump will be made the winner by Congress.

It ain’t gonna happen, but you still have two more months to rave about it like you’re on a crack binge.

For his next act, cj will spin tall tales of how the Space Force will eliminate hurricane season by zapping suspicious clouds from their orbiting space force station!! During Trump’s second term!!

Stay tuned!

Next: Giuliani reads from Justice League comic books as evidence of proof of election fraud!

I need more popcorn.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:24 am
Quote:
The two Republicans on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, have both rescinded the votes they cast to certify the election results on Wednesday, claiming that they were bullied into siding with Democrats.

So much for certifying all the MI votes. Very Happy
Quote:
“The numbers have not improved, it is still 71% out of balance”, stated Wayne County, Michigan, Canvassers. “There is widespread irregularities in poll numbers.” There are “more votes than people”. The two harassed patriot Canvassers refuse to sign the papers!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 18, 2020
https://saraacarter.com/wayne-county-republican-canvassers-rescind-their-votes-after-claims-of-bullying/
snood
 
  3  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:30 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Are uou going to whine and cry for the next 8 years about a legal election because your chief crook was rejected by a majority of the voters? Not a plurity but a majority.


Of course he’s not going to keep whining. He just needs an appropriate interval to go through his mourning stages over the epic butt-whipping his idol got.
After that, CJ will become a sage voice of reason - advocating the forming of productive alliances with his fellow Americans who happen to be Democrats.

And he will be a role model showing exemplary maturity and spiritual growth.



Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:35 am
Caught by the numbers. All verifiable data shows impossible EXACT ratios. Going to be hard for a court to disregard this or treat as anything but evidence of fraud.

coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:43 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

RABEL222 wrote:

Are uou going to whine and cry for the next 8 years about a legal election because your chief crook was rejected by a majority of the voters? Not a plurity but a majority.


Of course he’s not going to keep whining. He just needs an appropriate interval to go through his mourning stages over the epic butt-whipping his idol got.
After that, CJ will become a sage voice of reason - advocating the forming of productive alliances with his fellow Americans who happen to be Democrats.

And he will be a role model showing exemplary maturity and spiritual growth.



Bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!


I will have the last laugh. Be patient. You will have another chance to destroy the country in 4 years.
Rebelofnj
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:44 am
Trump campaign drops Michigan lawsuit over election certification

Quote:
The Trump campaign on Thursday dropped its federal lawsuit in Michigan that sought to block certification of the state's election results, inaccurately claiming the Wayne County Board of Canvassers declined to certify the results even though it did just that earlier this week.

In a filing with the federal district court in Michigan's Western District moving to dismiss the lawsuit, lawyers for the Trump campaign included affidavits from two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers stating they oppose certification of the results, despite voting to approve them Tuesday.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaign-drops-michigan-lawsuit-over-election-certification/ar-BB1baZf6
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snood
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:44 am
@coldjoint,
Naw, it’s not going to be hard. Everyone knows they’ll toss this out just like all the other bogus “proof” they’ve been tossing out for weeks.

And if you weren’t so deep in denial that you probably need a pick axe and shovel to get to see sunlight, you would know it too.
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:47 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
So much for certifying all the MI votes. Very Happy


False.

Republican canvassers ask to 'rescind' their votes certifying Michigan election results
The Republicans said they initially felt pressured by the "public ostracism."
ByKendall Karson
November 19, 2020, 10:05 AM

Michigan's election certification process just got messier. The two Republicans on the Wayne County board of canvassers are now seeking to rescind their decision to certify their county's results, a day after the deadline, in a pair of affidavits signed late Wednesday night.

Both Monica Palmer, the Republican chair of the county board, and William Hartmann, a Republican member, said after they initially voted against certifying the results, they were "enticed" Tuesday into affirming the election results after they said they were given assurances by the board's vice chairman, Jonathan Kinloch, that the votes would be independently audited.

When asked late Tuesday night if she would commit to a comprehensive audit, Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, hedged and only said she would look into it.

Kinlock confirmed to ABC News that he gave this assurance but added that he had been unable to reach the secretary of state on Tuesday night to get her commitment.

A spokesperson for the secretary of state is shooting down the possibility of the two Republican members rescinding their vote, saying it is out of their hands at this point.

"There is no legal mechanism for them to rescind their vote," the spokesperson said. "Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify."

The number of votes at issue is too small to influence the outcome of the election. President-elect Joe Biden currently holds a substantial edge over Trump in Michigan, leading by nearly 150,000 votes, which is almost 15 times the president's margin over Hillary Clinton in 2016. In Wayne County, the state's largest, Biden is ahead by over 300,000 votes with nearly 70% of the vote.

Nevertheless, the two GOP members, suggesting that they feel misled, are now reverting to the earlier positions, arguing that they still have too many concerns about what they called "out of balance" precincts in Detroit, in which the number of votes cast and the number of voters signed in at the polls are mismatched, to certify. They both said that in their review of the results, more than 70% of Detroit's 134 poll books "were left unbalanced," --which according to the Detroit News, also happened during the certification process in the August primary and the November 2016 election, but did not keep the board from certifying.

Benson said that the discrepancies are common clerical errors with the paperwork and not signs of irregularities in the vote tally, such as a voter spoiling a ballot, or showing up and then not voting.

"I rescind my prior vote to certify Wayne County elections," Palmer wrote in the affidavit.

"I voted not to certify, and I still believe this vote should not be certified," Hartmann wrote in his affidavit. "Until these questions are addressed, I remain opposed to certification of the Wayne County results."

Kinloch, a Democrat, pushed back against this latest maneuver by his Republican colleagues, saying that the vote to certify "is final."

"It is a wasted attempt to unravel a lawful vote, in order to calm the Republican rancor we all knew would occur after they left the meeting. This certification is secure from yellow belly politricks, which are trying to reverse Donald Trump’s misfortune in Michigan," he told ABC News early Thursday morning. "Upon certifying the election, we took a subsequent vote to waive reconsideration of the certification vote. It is final, this goose is cooked."

It is not clear whether the compromise vote on Tuesday night was binding or could be reversed -- or if even this latest change of heart could halt the ongoing certification process. It's also unclear if the two Republican members officially signed any of the necessary paperwork to formalize their previous decision to certify.

"The two harassed patriot Canvassers refuse to sign the papers!" President Donald Trump tweeted Wednesday morning, an early sign of a possible fight over whether the GOP members signed documents related to the certification.

ABC News has reached out to the Wayne County board of elections, and the two Republican members of the board, to confirm that all four board members officially signed any necessary documents related to certifying the result but did not hear back as of Wednesday.

On Tuesday, a chaotic few hours unfolded when Palmer and Hartmann initially refused to certify the county's election results, which was widely criticized as a partisan move, only to change their votes later that same night.

The Republicans said they felt pressured by the "public ostracism," as Hartmann put it, and by the threats against them and their family members, as Palmer wrote in her affidavit.

"The public comment continued for over two hours and I felt pressured to continue the meeting without a break," Palmer wrote.

The unprecedented step to temporarily block the certification of results in Wayne County, which is home to Detroit, a city where Black residents make up nearly 80% of the population, prompted hours of public outrage from voters, volunteers, poll workers and local officials.

Benson announced on Wednesday, prior to the affidavits being filed, that all 83 counties certified the results. The state board of canvassers is set to meet on Nov. 23 to finalize the results statewide.
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farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:47 am
@snood,
Theyre not trying to "win" anything in Pa. Trump'slegal tem wants it tossed to the State Legislature to pick the elctors in the hopes they would vote for the fat **** felon
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hightor
 
  2  
Thu 19 Nov, 2020 11:50 am
How much money has the government doled out to selected constituencies? Trump bragged about the money farmers received:

Quote:
He also suggested that Iowa farmers, who have been unable to sell their products overseas because of his tit-for-tat trade war with China, were happy to rely on the bailouts his administration has authorized and were secretly relieved not to work as hard.

“I shouldn’t tell you this because they don’t like this, but some of the farmers were making more money the way that Iowa was doing than by working their asses off, all right?” Trump said. “They were very, very happy.”

lat

A local lobsterman I know received $10,000 because of lost sales to China (even though he sold all his catch locally).

Jamelle Bouie delves into this a little deeper:

A Simple Theory of Why Trump Did Well



 

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