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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
  2  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 11:52 am
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

Don't forget there was pizza sauce all over said computer that was traced to Comet Ping Pong Pizza.........😅

You like memes.
https://www.whatfinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/trumpistheman-e1597801447481.jpg
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glitterbag
 
  1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 11:53 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:


You know Biden is corrupt. The computer and its contents have been authenticated by experts. How do you feel supporting a real provable crook? And a senile one on top of it.


You seem to be a pretty devoted supporter of a man baby who the rest of the free world sees as grifter, con man, tax cheat, moocher, lying vainglorious fabulist whose only interest is standing in front of cheering morons and makes up outrageous lies about anyone he thinks is more popular than 'fearless yapper'.
So if you aren't bothered by voting for a senile fat old crook who has never made an honest dollar in his life..........then yeah, I'm all in for Biden.
coldjoint
 
  3  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 11:57 am
oralloy
 
  3  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 12:07 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Trump just got one more vote.

Line of supporters outside Mr. Trump's rally in Grand Rapids:
https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1323407923297570820
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BillW
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 12:16 pm
@glitterbag,
My biggest worry right now is the next 2 1/2+ months when man-baby will go maximum to cheat the government out of whatever he can without much to stop him until he is kicked out of office screaming and kicking on 1/20/21......
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coldjoint
 
  2  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 12:18 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

coldjoint wrote:


You know Biden is corrupt. The computer and its contents have been authenticated by experts. How do you feel supporting a real provable crook? And a senile one on top of it.


You seem to be a pretty devoted supporter of a man baby who the rest of the free world sees as grifter, con man, tax cheat, moocher, lying vainglorious fabulist whose only interest is standing in front of cheering morons and makes up outrageous lies about anyone he thinks is more popular than 'fearless yapper'.
So if you aren't bothered by voting for a senile fat old crook who has never made an honest dollar in his life..........then yeah, I'm all in for Biden.


Sorry Trump loves America and Americans. That is the man I am voting for. You are voting for people who could give a **** about anything but power. Their arrogance and hate will lose the election for them again.

So get your gas can and figure out what business to burn down when you lose.
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neptuneblue
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 12:19 pm
@coldjoint,
Lol! That funny right there!

Btw, only about 10% of Amish vote...

And advertising on a buggy would NEVER happen.
coldjoint
 
  2  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 12:31 pm
@neptuneblue,

Quote:
Btw, only about 10% of Amish vote...

Source that. I do not believe you.
neptuneblue
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 12:35 pm
@coldjoint,
Other than growing up in an Amish community, there's this:

Do Amish vote?
Amish electoral participation is limited, though some Amish do vote
amish voteOnly a small number of Amish cast ballots in presidential elections, likely less than 10%. Amish may be more likely to get involved when voting involves issues which directly affect them, such as zoning. Amish generally do not vote for a few reasons.


Why don’t most Amish participate in political elections?
For one, Amish follow a “Two Kingdoms” theology, which holds that there exist both a material and a spiritual kingdom. While respecting worldly governments, Amish feel that Christians should adhere to the laws of the spiritual kingdom above all.


Though Amish are highly law-abiding, they view the material kingdom as worldly and traditionally limit interaction within it. Amish believe in non-resistance, and may be hesitant to take part in electing a politician who may use force as an agent of the state. Amish do not hold political office themselves, for similar reasons.

Additionally, voting in national elections for candidates who enact a wide array of laws in distant Washington may be seen as an abstract endeavor. This is one reason that local elections concerning tangible issues may receive a greater response from Amish.

How many Amish cast ballots?

Voting is typically not prohibited outright, and the decision to vote is left to the individual in most congregations. Donald Kraybill notes that in the Lancaster community, “Those who vote tend to be younger businessmen with an interest in community affairs” (The Riddle of Amish Culture, Kraybill p 275). The approach to voting varies between communities.



Participation is more likely when voting concerns local issues. However, Amish do take some interest in national elections. George Bush attempted to tap into Amish interest in 2004, when he visited both Lancaster County and Holmes County, Ohio during his re-election campaign to ask for Amish and Mennonite support.

Hurst and McConnell report that in 2004, 43% of Holmes County Amish were registered to vote, though only 13% did so, with most selecting Bush (An Amish Paradox, Hurst and McConnell, p 267).


Amish have been termed “armchair Republicans”, and are seen to be more sympathetic to the Republican party due to a perception of it as one more concerned with religion and traditional values. Though voting is not common, some Amish follow political news and many have and share opinions on politics and politicians.

For further information, see:

The Riddle of Amish Culture, Donald B. Kraybill

An Amish Paradox: Diversity and Change in the World’s Largest Amish Community, Charles E. Hurst and David L. McConnell

Amish America blog: Do the Amish care about politics?

Kraybill, Donald B., and Kyle C. Kopko, “Bush Fever: Amish and Old Order Mennonites in the 2004 Election.” Mennonite Quarterly Review 81 (April 2007): 165-205.

This page updated February 19, 2020

https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-vote/
oralloy
 
  3  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 01:04 pm
This looks like it will be a good page for monitoring election results as they come in:
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/
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Walter Hinteler
 
  -2  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 01:23 pm
@neptuneblue,
The Ordnung forbids membership in political organizations and holding public office and doesn't encourage voting.
Those few who actually vote, mainly have a business and are concerned about local issues.
Although voting is considered a personal matter, jury duty is not allowed.

All that is sourced in the reason why they emigrated to America, mainly their religious beliefs.

More @ Amish America: Do Amish vote?

Quote:
Are Amish more “Republican” or “Democrat”?
Evidence suggests that if Amish were to vote en masse, the Republican party would likely receive much more support, due to “its conservative values and worldview” (see Kraybill and Kopko, “Bush Fever: Amish and Old Order Mennonites in the 2004 Election” Mennonite Quarterly Review 81, April 2007). Kraybill and Kopko write that “Some Old Orders occasionally joked that even if they did not vote Republican, they prayed Republican!”
farmerman
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 01:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
walter i dead on. Toting a "proud" sign like that could get a Amishman in trouble. Kids sometime tote pix of various rock or hip hop bands , but only during "Rumspringa". During this brief time, the kids will often buy thir first storm wagon or open top and crap it up with blue lights in the undercarriage that can only be seen as blue reflections in the road(kinda neat really) and white lights around the wheels.
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hightor
 
  -2  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 02:04 pm
Questions and Answers About the Bidens and a Deal in China

There is no evidence that the former vice president was involved in or profited from a joint venture pursued by his son and brother.

Quote:
In the closing days of the campaign, President Trump and his allies are engaged in a last-ditch effort to raise questions about the ethics of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. by trying to link Mr. Biden to the international business dealings of Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter, and one of his brothers, James.

Their efforts have drawn on a number of sources, including emails, photographs of encrypted text messages and other documents provided by Tony Bobulinski, a former business associate of Hunter and James Biden. Many of those records focus on a proposed joint venture in 2017, after Mr. Biden left office, with a Chinese partner. The deal ultimately fell apart.

Here are some questions and answers about the situation.

Was Joe Biden involved in this deal?

There is no evidence in the records that Mr. Biden was involved in or profited from the joint venture.

Encrypted messages, emails and other documents examined by The New York Times do not show Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing any role for the former vice president in the project.

Mr. Biden’s tax returns, which he has released, show no income from any such venture. There is nothing illegal about doing business in China or with Chinese partners; Mr. Trump long pursued deals in China, had a partnership with a government-controlled enterprise and maintained a corporate bank account there.

The Biden campaign has rejected all assertions that the former vice president had any role in the negotiations over the deal or any stake in it.

Andrew Bates, a Biden campaign spokesman, said the former vice president never had any stake in the project. “Joe Biden has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any overseas business whatsoever,” he said.

At the second presidential debate on Thursday, Mr. Biden said, “I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life.”

The messages produced by Mr. Bobulinski appear to reflect a meeting between him, the former vice president and James Biden in May 2017 in Beverly Hills, Calif. The messages do not make clear what was discussed.

Mr. Bates did not answer questions about Mr. Bobulinski’s claim that he met with the former vice president. But Mr. Bates said the Chinese deal never was discussed by Mr. Biden with members of his family. “He never had any conversations about these issues at all,” Mr. Bates said.

One email sent on May 13, 2017, by another member of the venture discusses how the various partners in the deal could theoretically split up the equity and makes reference to whether “the big guy” might get 10 percent. The document does not specify who this person is, saying only “10 held by H for the big guy ?”

Mr. Bobulinski has said the reference was clearly to the former vice president.

Mr. Bates said Mr. Biden “has never held stock in any such business arrangements nor has any family member or any other person ever held stock for him.”

What were Hunter and James Biden doing?

Records produced by Mr. Bobulinski show that in 2017, Hunter Biden and James Biden were involved in negotiations about a joint venture with a Chinese energy and finance company called CEFC China Energy.

The Bobulinski records include emails, contracts, business plan documents and photographs of encrypted messages among the American partners. The Times could not independently authenticate all of the records, but the records referred to in this article are consistent with interviews and previous reporting by The Times. The Biden campaign did not dispute that Hunter and James Biden participated in negotiating the deal with the Chinese company.

The records make clear that Hunter Biden saw the family name as a valuable asset, angrily citing his “family’s brand” as a reason he is valuable to the proposed venture.

The documents also show that the countries that Hunter Biden, James Biden and their associates planned to target for deals overlapped with nations where Joe Biden had previously been involved as vice president. One 42-page plan includes a section specifically highlighting former Vice President Biden’s role in facilitating increased commerce with Colombia, which is one of the targets of the joint venture, along with Luxembourg, Oman and Romania.

Hunter Biden’s role in the deal, according to one of the documents, “was key in relationship set up, messaging the good will around the chairman,” referring to Ye Jianming, the chairman of CEFC.

The Times reported in 2018 that Mr. Ye met privately with Hunter Biden at a hotel in Miami in May 2017, where the Chinese executive proposed a partnership to invest in American infrastructure and energy deals. Planning for the Miami meeting appears to be reflected in some of the messages released by Mr. Bobulinski.

The documents indicate that CEFC China initially said it would send $10 million in early 2017 to the joint venture.

CEFC focused on trading oil futures and securing the rights to overseas oil fields in strife-torn places like Chad, South Sudan and Iraq. It was looking to expand its global ventures, both as an energy company and a financial backer of projects, and it turned to Hunter and James Biden and their associates, including Mr. Bobulinski, to help find new deals.

One early version of the business plan indicated that Hunter and James Biden and their American associates “have forged alliances with the highest levels of government, banking and enterprise.”

What happened to the deal?

By August 2017, there were signs of trouble with the deal. Mr. Bobulinski wrote to CEFC noting that the promised $10 million payment had not been deposited in the American partners’ bank account.

There is conflicting information about whether any of this money was ever delivered by the Chinese partner. An election-year investigation into corruption allegations against the Bidens by two Senate committees, which found no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president, suggested that some money from CEFC might have come through, prompting Mr. Bobulinski to ask James Biden whether that was the case in a recent message.

Documents from August 2018 suggest that at least parts of the business venture were shut down or that there were plans to shut it down, with one draft document referring to a “complete liquidation and dissolution” of the venture’s main investment vehicle.

CEFC, one of the largest privately held companies in China, was declared bankrupt in March of this year after it was named in a criminal investigation by the United States Justice Department.

nyt
hightor
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 02:05 pm
Trump’s ‘Public Charge’ Immigration Rule Is Vacated by Federal Judge
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coldjoint
 
  3  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 03:05 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
There is no evidence that the former vice president was involved in or profited from a joint venture pursued by his son and brother.

How about the fact he lied about knowing about the business? How about how he met with the people he said he never met?

If that was Trump what would you say?

MontereyJack
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 03:17 pm
@coldjoint,
I wouldsay trump has more than twenty thousand proven lies and that far outstrips
one highly iffy one.
BillW
 
  0  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 03:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

I wouldsay trump has more than twenty thousand proven lies and that far outstrips
one highly iffy one.

Jack, that was as of June, by late in August, it was 22,500+. I am sure it is over 25,000 as of Nov 4, being all the Biden lies during campaign season!
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coldjoint
 
  2  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 04:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

I wouldsay trump has more than twenty thousand proven lies and that far outstrips
one highly iffy one.

If that is highly iffy there is something wrong with you.
MontereyJack
 
  -1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 04:17 pm
@coldjoint,
You clearly havent been paying attention.
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coldjoint
 
  1  
Tue 3 Nov, 2020 04:28 pm
Here is the alternative reality too many believe.
Quote:
The passions of new leftism were carefully groomed to remove everything wholesome from life.

Love is Dead: Rejected is romantic love & chastity encouraging lifelong bonding to avoid bastardy, disease and emotional harm. Porn is king. Marriage is rejected as feminism is touted as life’s greatest achievement. Countless millions live solo, lonely lives, unable to dream of wholesome spouses. Self-centered existence is normal while we suffer emotional malnutrition, eschewing traditional fulfilling lives.

Global Warming: ‘Science’ Without Predictions: Global Warming (GW) supplants capitalism. Humans kill the earth! No prediction of GW has ever come true, yet it’s ‘Science’ from “computer models,” ordering us to make huge cuts in emissions, pollution skyrockets in China. Strangely, the GW is exactly like socialism: rich countries buy “carbon credits” from poor to have “rights” to be productive.

Gender Junkies: American ‘gender’ is an oozing sore. Anyone may claim any gender, with 20+ choices, without tests. Woke adults direct children under 10 to cross-dress, take hormones, and prepare for genital removal. Yet, almost 50% of such persons attempt suicide.

America the Immoral: America is immoral. Despite inventing the Constitution & Bill of Rights, and Freedom of Speech, Press and Religion. America sacrificed 850,000 to end slavery. But that doesn’t prove our commitment to justice, so leftism declares us defunct. Since we aren’t perfect we must die.

Covid Smart Bombs: Covid’s death rate is 1/3rd of 1%. This after CDC stated 94% are co-morbid. Brazen leftist governors demand new statewide lockdowns. Insane, but worse, investigations prove loss of life from lockdowns are twice the toll from Covid itself! Now we watch more businesses die as no risk exists. But the goal is destroying Trump.

CONCLUSION: Leftists must remake the world to get average folks to support them. Pathological and lazy. Gaslighting is how progressives fool Americans and remove Trump to build their Marxist paradise. Fortunately, we fought back. Now, a last duty: VOTE MAGA Nov 3, 2020 & SAVE USA!

https://canadafreepress.com/article/gaslight-republic-trump-trashed-to-unleash-crazed-leftists-to-destroy-his-p

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