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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
farmerman
 
  5  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:14 pm
@coldjoint,
one senile old man who's more honest than the present senile old ****, is infinitely a better choice dont you think.
Trump is basically cluelless and is digging his holes deeper and deeper and you guys dont have the intelligence of a newt to see how hes taking this nation apart .


Im afraid that this election is going to end badly because even when he loses the election he will still be commander-in-chief for two and a third months and I dont trust him one bit.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:15 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Obama put the kids in cages. Thanks for the reminder.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:19 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
one senile old man who's more honest than the present senile old ****,

Biden is a serial plagiarizer. He is corrupt as the day is long. The other senile guy outsmarted 17 intelligence agencies weaponized against him.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:20 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Obama put the kids in cages. Thanks for the reminder.

Exactly.

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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:23 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Trump is basically cluelless and is digging his holes deeper and deeper and you guys dont have the intelligence of a newt to see how hes taking this nation apart.

Progressive hatred and intolerance is what is taking the nation apart. That's hardly Mr. Trump's fault.


farmerman wrote:
Im afraid that this election is going to end badly because even when he loses the election he will still be commander-in-chief for two and a third months and I dont trust him one bit.

If Biden wins the election, Mr. Trump should spend his last days in office appointing special independent prosecutors to tie up the Biden Administration in endless investigations.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:28 pm
@farmerman,
My concern is he will resign and make Mike Pence an asterisk President.

Pence projects enough "normal" the GOP will hit the trough for 2-1/2 months.
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farmerman
 
  3  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:31 pm
@oralloy,
see what I mean?? Who says that the nation will proceed in an orderly fashion?
Retribution for dismissing him by the Constitutional Process of election is wht this great nation is founded on. Trump's constant invidious and lying mouth is coming to roost and should he do something rash to end his days (as Bush tried to do with all his terminal exec orders) he will be asked to account for them when hes a citizen again .(Maybe he can move to Argentina with others of his felonious rat pack , like Ms De Vos or his S-I-L).

Im sure Plumps wife is going to settle for a pre-nup amount and GTF outta Dodge
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:36 pm
@farmerman,
She counting the days.
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RABEL222
 
  3  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:37 pm
@oralloy,
If putting kids in cages were the only thing Trump had done he would have gotten a pass. But coluding with Russians for profit, trying to pit the military against citizens using their first amendment rights, screwing the government out is taxed, trying to change the constitution by royal proclamation. These are the things that will bring him down. Even slow witted citizens are beginning to recognize our crooked president.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:42 pm
@RABEL222,
Mr. Trump did not collude with Russia.

Looting and burning is not a First Amendment right.

Mr. Trump has not attempted to change our Constitution.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:45 pm
@farmerman,
Progressives routinely call the truth a lie, but the truth isn't a lie.

Outlawing the Democratic Party will put an end to their abuse of the law to persecute those who disagree with them.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:47 pm
To settle this issue once and for all ... at least for rational calm honest people ...


Did Obama Admin Build Cages That House Immigrant Children at U.S.-Mexico Border?

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While under scrutiny for treatment of migrants, the Trump administration has been shifting blame to its predecessor.

Bethania Palma

Published 2 July 2019

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Claim

The Obama administration, not the Trump administration, built the cages that hold many immigrant children at the U.S.-Mexico border.
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As the well-being of immigrant children in U.S. detention remained a focal point of controversy surrounding the Trump administration in early summer 2019, so did attempts to deflect blame to Trump’s predecessor amid accusations of neglect and mistreatment.

During the previous summer, the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy of separating immigrant parents from their children was so widely rejected by both political parties that even First Lady Melania Trump took the unusual step of repudiating it. In response to the backlash, U.S. President Donald Trump (falsely) pinned the blame for the child-separation policy on his predecessor, Barack Obama.

One year later, amid an ongoing national crisis of conscience over immigrant children incarcerated in detention facilities at the U.S.-Mexico border, President Trump again attempted to pin the blame on his predecessor. During a contentious interview with Spanish-language network Telemundo, Trump wrongly stated that he had reunited families after they were separated by the Obama administration. (In fact, thousands of children were taken from their parents under the Trump administration’s 2018 zero-tolerance policy.)

But then Trump also attempted to deflect outrage over photographs of immigrant children being kept in “cages” by asserting, “Obama built the cages. I didn’t build them. Obama built them”:

That portion of Trump’s commentary was true. Pictures of children behind chain-link fencing were captured at a site in McAllen, Texas, that had been converted from a warehouse to an immigrant-detention facility in 2014. Social media users who defended Trump’s immigration policies also shared a 2014 photograph of Obama’s Homeland Security Secretary, Jeh Johnson, touring a facility in Nogales, Arizona, in 2014, in which the fencing could be seen surrounding migrants there as well. That picture was taken during a spike in the number of unaccompanied children fleeing violence in Central American countries.

THESE WERE UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WHO WERE NOT SEPARATED FROM FAMILIES BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

Johnson addressed the issue during a June 2019 interview with the non-partisan think tank The Aspen Institute:

Very clearly, chain link, barriers, partitions, fences, cages, whatever you want to call them, were not invented on January 20, 2017, OK. And what’s interesting is Tom Homan made that statement — and under normal circumstances to fact check that, I would have called Tom Homan, who was the director of ICE ERO [Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations] while I was secretary, and say, ‘Hey Tom, did you guys use these things for ICE facilities?

Johnson was referring to comments made by Trump’s former acting ICE Director Thomas Homan (who was director of removal operations at ICE under President Obama). Homan had said during a June 21, 2019, panel discussion hosted by the anti-immigration advocacy group Center for Immigration Studies that “‘The kids are being [housed] in the same facility built under the Obama administration. If you want to call them cages, call them cages. But if the left wants to call them cages and the Democrats want to call them cages, then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in FY 2015.”

During the Aspen interview, Johnson said that use of the “cage” detention housing method was supposed to be temporary, and that under the law, children were only supposed to be kept in those facilities for 72 hours before being transferred to the care of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). “But during that 72-hour period, when you have something that is a multiple, like four times, of what you’re accustomed to in the existing infrastructure, you’ve got to find places quickly to put kids. You can’t just dump 7-year-old kids on the streets of McAllen or El Paso.”

The chain-link fences, Johnson said, were to separate people by gender and age until they were released or transferred to HHS’s care. They are also present at a detention facility in Clint, Texas.

In early July 2019, as questions about the health of children in border facilities intensified the Trump administration was criticized for locking up young children in “inhumane” conditions for weeks, and for its overall treatment of immigrants in overcrowded detention facilities. Democratic lawmakers who visited the facilities reported unsanitary, dehumanizing conditions. Meantime, at least seven children had died in custody in the span of a year — an unprecedented number in recent history.

The lawmakers’ accounts of what they saw coincided with a news story that revealed a secret Facebook group consisting of Border Patrol agents who “joked about the deaths of migrants, discussed throwing burritos at Latino members of Congress visiting a detention facility in Texas, and posted a vulgar illustration depicting Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez engaged in oral sex with a detained migrant,” as reported by ProPublica.

Many of the children and families in federal detention are refugees fleeing a wave of violence in what is referred to as the Northern Triangle — Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras — with the United Nations reporting that “Current homicide rates are among the highest ever recorded in Central America. Several cities, including San Salvador, Tegucigalpa and San Pedro Sula, are among the 10 most dangerous in the world.”

NPR reported in March 2019 that the number of unauthorized entries into the United States via Mexico had increased twofold over the previous year, filling detention centers beyond their capacities. The majority of those border crossings were by families.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:48 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
he do something rash to end his days (as Bush tried to do with all his terminal exec orders) he will be asked to account for them when hes a citizen again.

He is a citizen now. You cannot be president without being a citizen. His civil rights were abused. People associated with were prosecuted just like Stalin prosecuted political opponents. You defend the Communist approach. That is un-American.
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:49 pm
I think the tepunlican party will bite the dust long before the democratic party thanks to the republican senate and republicans like Bar.
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goldberg
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:54 pm
@farmerman,
I also resent Trump and racists just like you. Yet I'd hazard a view that Trump will be able to get reelected if more violent protests keep convulsing America and turning this anti-racist movement into anti-Americanism. You can't solve this vexed issue by looting shops and burning buildings which are also owned by Americans. It's akin to self-immolation.


James Bennet, the NY Times' editorial page editor, just resigned after the Times published an opinion piece written by someone supportive of Trump. Something is wrong with America. You won't rectify all the social injustices by overturning White America and create Black America. Just look what's happening in Africa? Corruption and institutional rot are rampant there. I think it's time for people to start making sense of the fact that you are destroying America by looting American shops and glorifying vandalism.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 07:59 pm
@goldberg,
Please clarify "I also resent Trump and racists just like you." You don't mean to say farmerman is a racist, do you?????
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 08:02 pm
@goldberg,
Quote:
James Bennet, the NY Times' editorial page editor, just resigned

Now he can get a real job and contribute to America.
goldberg
 
  0  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 08:02 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Nope. I think farmer also hates racists
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goldberg
 
  0  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 08:04 pm
@coldjoint,
That's bullshit. He is a respectable journalist. Conservatives hate him because the Time has also published manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy articles critique of Trump's policies.
goldberg
 
  -1  
Sun 7 Jun, 2020 08:05 pm
@coldjoint,
The Times should not have done this. It's detrimental to American journalism.
 

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