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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 01:13 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

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But obviously those 28 millions,

It should be of interest to everyone that wants honest elections. I want honest elections.
I totally agree and therefor asked about the other 100 million.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 01:20 pm
Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

Published: January 31, 2017

Sensationalist claims have circulated this election season about the extent of voter fraud, with some politicians going so far as to tell voters to fear that this November’s election will be “rigged.” Because electoral integrity is one of the elements necessary to making America the greatest democracy in the world, claims like this garner media attention, and frighten and concern voters. But putting rhetoric aside to look at the facts makes clear that fraud by voters at the polls is vanishingly rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to that necessary to “rig” an election.

Studies Agree: Impersonation Fraud by Voters Very Rarely Happens

The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

A study published by a Columbia University political scientist tracked incidence rates for voter fraud for two years, and found that the rare fraud that was reported generally could be traced to “false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error.”

A 2017 analysis published in The Washington Post concluded that there is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that Massachusetts residents were bused into New Hampshire to vote.

A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims.

Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.

A review of the 2016 election found four documented cases of voter fraud.

Research into the 2016 election found no evidence of widespread voter fraud.

A 2016 working paper concluded that the upper limit on double voting in the 2012 election was 0.02%. The paper noted that the incident rate was likely much lower, given audits conducted by the researchers showed that “many, if not all, of these apparent double votes could be a result of measurement error.”

A 2014 paper concluded that “the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.”

A 2014 nationwide study found “no evidence of widespread impersonation fraud” in the 2012 election.

A 2014 study that examined impersonation fraud both at the polls and by mail ballot found zero instances in the jurisdictions studied.

A 2014 study by the non-partisan Government Accountability Office, which reflected a literature review of the existing research on voter fraud, noted that the studies consistently found “few instances of in-person voter fraud.”

While writing a 2012 book, a researcher went back 30 years to try to find an example of voter impersonation fraud determining the outcome of an election, but was unable to find even one.

A 2012 study exhaustively pulled records from every state for all alleged election fraud, and found the overall fraud rate to be “infinitesimal” and impersonation fraud by voters at the polls to be the rarest fraud of all: only 10 cases alleged in 12 years. The same study found only 56 alleged cases of non-citizen voting, in 12 years.

A 2012 assessment of Georgia’s 2006 election found “no evidence that election fraud was committed under the auspices of deceased registrants.”

A 2011 study by the Republican National Lawyers Association found that, between 2000 and 2010, 21 states had 1 or 0 convictions for voter fraud or other kinds of voting irregularities.

A 2010 book cataloguing reported incidents of voter fraud concluded that nearly all allegations turned out to be clerical errors or mistakes, not fraud.

A 2009 analysis examined 12 states and found that fraud by voters was “very rare,” and also concluded that many of the cases that garnered media attention were ultimately unsubstantiated upon further review.

Additional research on noncitizen voting can be found here: http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-noncitizen-voting-vanishingly-rare.

Additional resources can be found here: https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/analysis-and-reports.

Courts Agree: Fraud by Voters at the Polls is Nearly Non-Existent


The Fifth Circuit, in an opinion finding that Texas’s strict photo ID law is racially discriminatory, noted that there were “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20 million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.

In its opinion striking down North Carolina’s omnibus restrictive election law —which included a voter ID requirement — as purposefully racially discriminatory, the Fourth Circuit noted that the state “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing in-person voter fraud in North Carolina.”

A federal trial court in Wisconsin reviewing that state’s strict photo ID law found “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of Wisconsin’s elections.”

Even the Supreme Court, in its opinion in Crawford upholding Indiana’s voter ID law, noted that the record in the case “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” Two of the jurists who weighed in on that case at the time — Republican-appointed former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and conservative appellate court Judge Richard Posner — have since announced they regret their votes in favor of the law, with Judge Posner noting that strict photo ID laws are “now widely regarded as a means of voter suppression rather than of fraud prevention.”

Government Investigations Agree: Voter Fraud Is Rare

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a longtime proponent of voter suppression efforts, argued before state lawmakers that his office needed special power to prosecute voter fraud, because he knew of 100 such cases in his state. After being granted these powers, he has brought six such cases, of which only four have been successful. The secretary has also testified about his review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, which yielded 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution, which amounts to a 0.00000017 percent fraud rate.

Texas lawmakers purported to pass its strict photo ID law to protect against voter fraud. Yet the chief law enforcement official in the state responsible for such prosecutions knew of only one conviction and one guilty plea that involved in-person voter fraud in all Texas elections from 2002 through 2014.

A specialized United States Department of Justice unit formed with the goal of finding instances of federal election fraud examined the 2002 and 2004 federal elections, and were able to prove that 0.00000013 percent of ballots cast were fraudulent. There was no evidence that any of these incidents involved in-person impersonation fraud. Over a five year period, they found “no concerted effort to tilt the election.”

An investigation in Colorado, in which the Secretary of State alleged 100 cases of voter fraud, yielded one conviction.

In Maine, an investigation into 200 college students revealed no evidence of fraud. Shortly thereafter, an Elections Commission appointed by a Republican secretary of state found “there is little or no history in Maine of voter impersonation or identification fraud.”

In Florida, a criminal investigation into nine individuals who allegedly committed absentee ballot fraud led to all criminal charges being dismissed against all voters.

In 2012, Florida Governor Rick Scott initiated an effort to remove non-citizen registrants from the state’s rolls. The state’s list of 182,000 alleged non-citizen registrants quickly dwindled to 198. Even this amended list contained many false positives, such as a WWII veteran born in Brooklyn. In the end, only 85 non-citizen registrants were identified and only one was convicted of fraud, out of a total of 12 million registered voters.

In Iowa, a multi-year investigation into fraud led to just 27 prosecutions out of 1.6 million ballots cast. In 2014 the state issued a report on the investigation citing only six prosecutions.

In Wisconsin, a task force charged 20 individuals with election crimes. The majority charged were individuals with prior criminal convictions, who are often caught up by confusing laws regarding restoration of their voting rights.


The verdict is in from every corner that voter fraud is sufficiently rare that it simply could not and does not happen at the rate even approaching that which would be required to “rig” an election. Electoral integrity is key to our democracy, and politicians who genuinely care about protecting our elections should focus not on phantom fraud concerns, but on those abuses that actually threaten election security.

As historians and election experts have catalogued, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes and all-white primaries — put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place. The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair, and accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.
livinglava
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 01:48 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

If people believe everything they're told by liberals about fearing Republicans getting elected, they would have to be stupid and/or crazy not to commit fraud to get the Democrat elected.

Are you calling people stupid and/or crazy?
coldjoint
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 01:55 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Published: January 31, 2017

That was then, this now.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 01:57 pm
@livinglava,
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Are you calling people stupid and/or crazy?

Are you talking to yourself? You might as well answer the question.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:06 pm
@livinglava,
I'm not calling them anything. They're born that way. But I'll take the Justice Brenner center and the about twenty studies cited over a bunch of RW blog cites from the people here with their hair on fire over fake voter fraud any day.

You guys are being kneejerked by interests out to keep American citizens from voting.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Don't you realize the crap you cite is just as old???? New blogs - old lies.
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livinglava
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:11 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Are you calling people stupid and/or crazy?

Are you talking to yourself? You might as well answer the question.

It was a joke. It was only in reference to the sentence above it, which was also a joke about people being made desperate to win against Republicans by Democrat fear-mongering.

What I'm saying is you have to expect voter fraud if people are as desperate to keep/get Republicans out of office as the Democrat party rhetoric/ideology suggests they should be.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:16 pm
Trump press secretary Kayleigh McEnany has voted by mail 11 times in 10 years
Source: Tampa Bay Time

For a week, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany has defended President Donald Trump’s assault on vote-by-mail, insisting, like her boss, that it invites election fraud.

But, also like her boss, McEnany has taken advantage of its convenience time and time again.

In fact, the Tampa native has voted by mail in every Florida election she has participated in since 2010, according to a Tampa Bay Times review of her voting history. Most recently, she voted by mail in the state’s March 2020 presidential primary, just as Trump did after he made Florida his new permanent home.



Read more: https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/05/27/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-has-voted-by-mail-11-times-in-10-years/
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:31 pm
Trump’s latest display isn’t just deranged. It’s also an abuse of power.



By
Greg Sargent
Opinion writer
May 27, 2020 at 9:44 a.m. CDT

The news that Twitter has dared to attach the mildest of correctives to President Trump’s latest false tweets — prompting threats of direct retribution from Trump — reopens the long-running debate over the true nature of the menace that Trump’s autocratic instincts pose to democracy.

That debate pits those who see Trump as a clownish and ineffective autocrat wannabe against those who see a much more insidiously destructive form of corruption at work.

What’s happening right now strongly supports the latter interpretation. While some will seek to cast Trump’s war on Twitter as largely feckless, it actually constitutes a genuine abuse of power that is already showing corrosive signs of working as intended.

Trump just unloaded in a fury at Twitter:

....happen again. Just like we can’t let large scale Mail-In Ballots take root in our Country. It would be a free for all on cheating, forgery and the theft of Ballots. Whoever cheated the most would win. Likewise, Social Media. Clean up your act, NOW!!!!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 27, 2020

The object of Trump’s rage is Twitter’s decision to affix a fact check to Trump’s lies about vote-by-mail. Trump has been falsely claiming that this will lead to vote fraud, forgeries and even ineligible voters getting ballots.
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In response, Twitter added a few links to corrective stories and a few lines clarifying that there’s “no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud” and that ballots are mailed only to registered voters.


(Don't let mail-in voting be thwarted by badly designed ballots
Democratic Party strategist and lawyer Marc Elias says that flaws in ballot design are often overlooked but have huge repercussions on elections. (Danielle Kunitz/The Washington Post))

Deranged lies

First, let’s note the truly deranged nature of Trump’s lies. Republicans have falsely screamed about voter fraud for many years, to justify all manner of voter suppression. But now Trump is doing this amid a pandemic — that is, to dissuade states from relieving people of having to choose between exercising the franchise and protecting their health and lives.

And so, Trump is not just actively hoping the pandemic helps keep voter turnout down in a way that will help him win reelection. To serve these designs, he’s also pushing states to refrain from taking actions that would protect the public health by limiting the novel coronavirus’s spread.
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This has also included vague threats to cut off disaster funding to states he must win, such as Michigan, further exploiting the desperation of states amid an emergency to serve his naked political ends.

It’s not yet clear how effective all this will be. It’s true that some states are moving forward in expanding vote-by-mail despite Trump, and his threats to cut off funding appear largely meaningless. Those on the “feckless autocrat” side of the debate will seize on these facts.

And yet, as Rick Hasen points out, some GOP legislators in key swing states actually are taking cues from Trump and opposing these measures, even as Trump/GOP opposition is blocking any federal action that would help states implement them. That’s a serious setback to such efforts, especially since they’re even more urgent given the pandemic’s unique challenges.

What’s more, when you consider the broader context, it’s plainly obvious that Trump’s larger efforts are having a real impact.
Trump’s threats have a real impact

That larger context is a much longer-running pressure campaign by Trump allies to equate any and all fact-checking of Trump with Bias Against Conservatives. In response to Twitter’s fact-checking of Trump’s lies about voter fraud, Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale said this:

We always knew that Silicon Valley would pull out all the stops to obstruct and interfere with President Trump getting his message through to voters.

Trump reiterated a version of that, claiming that Twitter is “interfering” in the election and “stifling FREE SPEECH.”

Now let’s also note that Twitter’s fact-checking also shared information with voters that could actually inform them about vote-by-mail, thus potentially giving them additional options to vote amid a pandemic.

Trump and his campaign are quite literally claiming the right to lie to the American people about potentially lifesaving voting options during a pandemic — entirely free of accountability. They are explicitly declaring that any effort to correct those lies will be cast as an affront to the free speech of conservatives.
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And Trump is now intimating other forms of state action:

He has imposed a test to gauge tech platform and news outlet obeisance to him. Either they let his increasingly dangerous lied spread, or they try to set the record straight, in which case he alleges a conspiracy and threatens to sic Bill Barr on them. pic.twitter.com/vHFSbLUWWN
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) May 27, 2020

It might be argued that Trump won’t actually be able to take such concrete retributive action. But as Jonathan Chait points out, Trump has already threatened the parent companies of media organizations and has already taken concrete actions against the owner of The Post.

The key point here is that, even if these threats do not end up coming to fruition, the threats themselves constitute a serious abuse of power.

The threat of conservative rage via fake claims of “bias” and the threat of state action as retribution are two sides of the same coin: The latter constitutes a deeply corrupt wielding of institutional power in and of itself, and it’s also critical to helping mobilize the former. Such a threat is not somehow rendered meaningless if Trump cannot find a way to follow through.
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And this surely works, at least to some degree. This is obvious when you consider how mild and tentative Twitter’s corrective efforts have been. The tweets spreading Trump’s lies about voter fraud remain posted, and he has already posted more such lies that do not yet have any such corrective appended.

Meanwhile, Trump continues to tweet out the deranged lie that MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough might be guilty of murder, even though the victim’s husband has plaintively asked for the tweets to be taken down to respect the deceased. Those remain posted. And as the New York Times notes, Twitter has largely failed to police Trump’s other egregious abuses, even ones that violate its policies.

The ultimate impact of all this remains to be seen. But there can be no doubt that these abuses of power are real and ongoing, and are already having a deeply corrosive impact.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:39 pm
Trump-loving anti-lockdown activist ready to start killing: ‘The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat’

Couy Griffin, an anti-lockdown activist who is also the head of the “Cowboys for Trump” organization, is publicly calling for Democratic governors to be killed for purportedly committing “treason.”

In an interview with The Daily Beast’s Will Sommer, Griffin defended telling fellow activists at an anti-lockdown rally that “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-loving-anti-lockdown-activist-ready-to-start-killing-the-only-good-democrat-is-a-dead-democrat/
coldjoint
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:40 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Trump’s latest display isn’t just deranged. It’s also an abuse of power.

Would Mr. Sargent like to discuss Obama's illegal spying on Americans and political opponents? For that matter, does anyone?
farmerman
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:55 pm
@coldjoint,
Even if what you say about Obama is NOT just your normal horse ****
, what does that hve to do with Trump. Obama can now be prosecuted is what you say has any legs (Which I highly doubt that it even has flipprs)
farmerman
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 02:56 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
‘The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat’
sounds like Ollie.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 03:03 pm
@farmerman,
I was keeping that to myself. He's on a tear.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 03:06 pm
@farmerman,
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Obama can now be prosecuted is what you say has any legs

Barr already said that is not likely to happen but prosecuting top people from his administration and agencies under his control will disgrace him. And that is a good thing.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 03:13 pm
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Virus Chronicles: The Standard Psyche Among Those in the Political Class is on Full Display

People analyze Trump. It is their turn.
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Superego: the one of the three divisions of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that is only partly conscious, represents internalization of parental conscience and the rules of society, and functions to reward and punish through a system of moral attitudes, conscience, and a sense of guilt.

OK? Textbook definition.
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What kind of “internalization of parental conscience and the rules of society” exists in Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and, most particularly, Adam Schiff? Their parents taught them to be corrupt crooks, serial liars, knaves, and thieves? They could care less about the “rules of society,” as they have made careers in undermining basic American institutions and the US Constitution. And what kind of “a system of moral attitudes, conscience, and a sense of guilt” do elected Democrats (and their RINO enablers in Congress) have? Certainly not anything related to Judeo-Christian ethics. Their god is money coupled with power; their false idols are the likes of little tin god Obama (whom they protect at all costs); they curse behind closed doors and occasionally publicly (especially at their political enemies); the only reason they “keep the Sabbath” is for political appearances sake (do you really think that life-long abortion-backer Pelosi is true to her Catholic religion?); does Schiff “honor his parents” and how they raised him by being a congenital liar; are all those poor people dying due to the virus in nursing homes there of their own accord or someone politician’s policy (and how many lives have been sacrificed in pursuit of Middle East fool’s gold over the past 20 years?); how many in the political class are adulterers (start with the Clintons and then think about the members of Congress in the sexual harassment database that has yet to see the light of day); if only we could completely audit the wealth accumulated by long-time members of Congress in order to ascertain the depths of their corruption and theft of taxpayer dollars; bearing false witness against President Trump is apparently a required characteristic for all Democrat members of Congress these days; and lastly, these people covet the wealth and power of Americans who earned their fortunes honorably in the private sector. The likes of Hillary Clinton have been grifters their whole lives because their envy is a core part of their superego. By the way, we have just determined that most of the political class have violated not just a few, but rather all Ten Commandments.

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/05/27/virus-chronicles-the-standard-psyche-among-those-in-the-political-class-is-on-full-display/
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 03:20 pm
@coldjoint,
it tiurns into total bullshit in the first sentence. The wokrst kind oif pop ;psychoanalysis, twisting the concepts unmercifulkly to prompote extremem conservative ideology. In other words, the usual sort of nonsense joint always cites.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 03:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
it tiurns into total bullshit in the first sentence. The wokrst kind oif pop ;psychoanalysis, twisting the concepts unmercifulkly to prompote extremem conservative ideology. In other words, the usual sort of nonsense joint always cites.

You really have no idea of what you are talking about.Laughing Laughing Laughing If it is nonsense why vote the posts out of sight?
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 27 May, 2020 03:27 pm
@coldjoint,
I certainly do and it certainly does immediately loft itself into woowoo land(not the definition, the idiotic interpretation of it. That first sentence). extraordinarily stupid).
 

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