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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:37 pm
@coldjoint,
blue states subsidize red states, have for years. bloodsucker red states drain wealth from blue states and vilify blue states for it. Ble states pay more in taxes than they get back in services. red states get more in services than they pay in taxes. Don't bitch until you [ay your share. Asshole cartoonists should do a little research before they draw nonsense.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:38 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
blue states subsidize red states, have for years.

How? And source your answer.
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:42 pm
@coldjoint,
Bugger off. This is probably the tenth time it's come up and been cited repeatedly. If you want to try to disprove it, go ahead.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 25 May, 2020 12:43 pm
@coldjoint,
as for how, read the rest of the post.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:46 pm
AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHERDecember 9, 2017

https://apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c


WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican leaders have spent months promoting the myth that red low-tax states are subsidizing blue high-tax states because of the deduction for state and local taxes.

An Associated Press Fact Check finds it’s actually the other way around. High-tax, traditionally Democratic states (blue), subsidize low-tax, traditionally Republican states (red) — in a big way.

Republicans are trying to eliminate the deduction as part of the sweeping tax package working its way through Congress. They added back a deduction for up to $10,000 in property taxes, in a concession to Republicans from high-tax states such as New York and New Jersey. California Republicans are pushing to extend the deduction to local income taxes, too.
More: AP Fact Check

It is true that taxpayers in high-tax states benefit the most from the deduction. However, these states send far more tax dollars to Washington than residents in low-tax states.

In fact, most high-tax states send more money to Washington than they get back in federal spending. Most low-tax states make a profit from the federal government’s system of taxing and spending.

HOUSE SPEAKER PAUL RYAN:

— Ryan said the rest of the country is “propping up profligate, big-government states.”

— “States that got their act together are paying for states that didn’t,” the Wisconsin Republican said.

TREASURY SECRETARY STEVEN MNUCHIN:

— “We are getting the federal government out of the business of subsidizing states. That is going to impact high-tax states.”

THE FACTS:

Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820.

California residents paid an average of $10,510.

At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665.

Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents.

California fared a bit better than other blue states. It received 96 cents for every dollar the state sent to Washington.

On average, states received $1.14 in federal spending for every tax dollar they sent to Washington. That’s why the federal government has a budget deficit.

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Follow Stephen Ohlemacher on Twitter at http://twitter.com/stephenatap

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Find AP Fact Checks at https://apnews.com/tag/APFactCheck
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:48 pm
How blue states subsidize red states

https://www.twincities.com/2018/11/14/robert-b-reich-how-blue-states-subsidize-red-states/

A Meals on Wheels cook moves trays down the line to be packaged in Savannah, Ga. (Josh Galemore/Savannah Morning News via AP)
By Robert B. Reich |
PUBLISHED: November 14, 2018 at 12:58 a.m. | UPDATED: November 15, 2018 at 12:28 p.m.
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Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress love to demonize government handouts. But their own red-state supporters depend on these handouts. And the handouts are increasingly financed by the inhabitants of blue states.

The federal program Temporary Assistance for Needy Families — what we used to call “welfare” — is now tiny. It provides cash assistance to less than 1 percent of Americans.

But the Trump administration is proposing to lump many other social programs under a new agency with the word “welfare” in its title, in order to make Americans think we’re living in a vast welfare state.

A recent White House report on imposing work requirements, for example, lumps Medicaid, food assistance and housing aid into a rebranded program called “noncash welfare.”

But defined this broadly, a large chunk of America relies on welfare — including a lot of people who wouldn’t like to think of themselves as being on the dole.

Add in disability benefits, unemployment insurance and medical benefits, and such rebranded “welfare” amounts to fully 17 percent of the average American’s income.

The term “welfare” is especially unpopular in red states that vote Republican and support Trump. But when you think broadly about all forms of government assistance, these same red states are often the biggest beneficiaries.

If you include price supports for agriculture, subsidies for land management and forestry, and federal money flowing to defense contractors, you’ll find that the economies of red states depend heavily on federal dollars.

But that’s not even the biggest irony. It turns out residents of blue states send more tax money to Washington than they get back in federal help, while residents of red states send less money to Washington than they get back in federal help.

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it’s the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

Taking the Trump administration’s expansive view of the meaning of “welfare” to its logical conclusion to include all those benefiting from federal spending, this means blue states are sending welfare to red states — the same red states that say they don’t like welfare.


Under the new tax law enacted by Trump and the Republicans, blue states will be giving even more “welfare” to red states.

That’s because the law sets new limits for the amount of state and local taxes that people can deduct from their federal taxable incomes. And since people in blue states pay much more in state and local taxes than people in red states, blue-staters will be paying that much more in federal taxes.

Which means an even bigger transfer going from blue-state residents to all those red-state Republican voters whose party despises handouts.

I want to be quick to add that most of us here in blue states don’t mind giving red states a bigger helping hand.

Truth be told, the vast majority of Americans also oppose cuts to programs that aid the poor, elderly and sick. Because most Americans figure we’re all in this together, we believe those of us who can do so ought to help out those in need.

We don’t regard the help as welfare handouts. We call it social insurance.

In fact, social insurance is needed and used by almost all of us. That’s why Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance are so popular. Even though the money to finance them comes mostly from taxpayers who aren’t currently dependent on these programs, we don’t begrudge their recipients because we assume that most of us will need these programs someday.

It turns out that even programs relied upon mostly by the poor end up helping a large portion of us, because roughly one-third of all Americans are poor at some point in their lives and therefore dependent on these programs.

So when the Trump administration attacks so-called “welfare,” it’s really attacking the things most of us need. And it’s artificially dividing the country into “us” and “them.”

In reality, voters in red states are as dependent on the federal government as voters in blue states. Truth be told, even more dependent.

Robert Reich’s latest book is “The Common Good,” and his newest documentary is “Saving Capitalism.” He wrote this column for Tribune News Service.
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:48 pm
@coldjoint,
HAPPY NOW, JOOINT? AGAIN, WE'RE RIGHT. REMEMBER IT THIS TIME.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Robert B. Reich:

The idiot who said Trump's election should annulled. Find someone without an agenda. He has no credibility. WORD SALAD Laughing Laughing Laughing
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 12:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Everybody has an agenda. Trump has an agenda. that's the problem. The majority of the country disagrees with Trump's agenda. Always has, but he keeps trying to ram it through and foist it on us. Reich was right.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
The majority of the country disagrees with Trump's agenda.

That is what the media keeps saying. What will they say when he is re-elected? Will they finally admit they are completely out of touch with America?

It will be interesting (and laughable) to hear the excuses and the new lies they will manufacture.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Mon 25 May, 2020 01:07 pm
Trump said the schools needed to be opened ... "Much very good information now available."

I bet it sounded better in the original Russian.
livinglava
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:08 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican leaders have spent months promoting the myth that red low-tax states are subsidizing blue high-tax states because of the deduction for state and local taxes.

An Associated Press Fact Check finds it’s actually the other way around. High-tax, traditionally Democratic states (blue), subsidize low-tax, traditionally Republican states (red) — in a big way.

You have to look at the overall economies in these different places and how various forms of inflation are caused and/or resisted.

People who make a lot of money and/or can sell property for a lot in an expensive state and move to a cheaper state, for example, drive up property prices in those markets and stimulate other forms of inflation as well.

But if many people are selling property to move to cheaper states, that will causes prices to decline in those expensive areas, due to lots of sellers and relatively few buyers.

So ultimately the decreasing prices in expensive areas is going to be good for those areas because people will be able to buy properties more affordably, but the less-expensive areas are going to experience inflation due to the migration into those areas.

What would be ideal is if all states/cities would control their inflation rates so that there wouldn't be inflationary pressures elsewhere as that money migrates in search of better deals, but wherever people go to make money, prices get pushed upward, so the challenge is how to get people to make money in a way that doesn't drive up prices wherever they go, not to mention living sustainably and not causing land-development that results in deforestation and sprawl.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
What with his being an economist and all.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:10 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
I bet it sounded better in the original Russian.

Why would you bring up a thoroughly debunked narrative? Reminding the American people of three years of lies does not help your argument.
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:14 pm
@coldjoint,
It;s pretty clear you have no conception of what the majority of the country wants. You're living in your fantasy alternate reality.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:15 pm
Quote:
The CDC's New 'Best Estimate' Implies a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate Below 0.3%
That rate is much lower than the numbers used in the horrifying projections that shaped the government response to the epidemic.

Where is the media? They are busy fearmongering and ignoring facts that do not fit the narrative.

After three years of lies they continue to lie to destroy small business and the economy with it. They must hate America and Americans. I do not know how much clearer they could make it.

https://reason.com/2020/05/24/the-cdcs-new-best-estimate-implies-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-below-0-3/
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livinglava
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:19 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

It;s pretty clear you have no conception of what the majority of the country wants. You're living in your fantasy alternate reality.

The wants of a majority are not sufficient to justify exploitation of a minority.

The purpose of majoritarian voting at various levels of government was/is to prevent elites from governing the majority without them having representation.

It is not to allow the majority to dominate elites or any other minority despite any and all dissent.

Democracy is about listening to everyone and finding solutions that everyone can accept; not forcing minorities/elites to submit to majoritarian domination.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:34 pm
Quote:
America’s Dangerous & Divisive Media Must Be Dealt With Once & For All



Quote:
And then whether it’s yet more COVID-19 hysterics or Russia! Russia! Russia! drama, the media will find something they can use to dominate our national focus and distract from our progress and unity.

Whatever that focus ends up being, these 5 time-tested elements will be there…

1). It will be completely without merit

2). They will frame it in moral terms so any indifference will appear nefarious

3). They will immediately catch and kill any evidence that counters their narrative

4). They will turn the most laughable and mundane revelations into “bombshells”

5). The story itself was never what truly mattered so regardless of the ultimate outcome, the media will have enjoyed tremendous success creating a more hateful and less productive America. Because as has become painfully obvious, that is their only goal every second of every day that they and their anti-American, pro-Leftist friends aren’t in power.

People are all in enabling these assholes. Why? They must hate America too.
https://lovebreedsaccountability.com/2020/05/21/americas-dangerous-divisive-media-must-be-dealt-with-once-for-all/?utm_source=whatfinger
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:42 pm
Quote:
Fmr NFL star Jack Brewer on ‘you ain’t black’ reveal: ‘The mask is off. America can see the real Joe Biden’

Quote:
“The mask is off. America can see the real Joe Biden,” Brewer said on Sunday.

“Hopefully all of my African-American brothers and sisters, it is time to look in the mirror and have a real soul check to see the man that has really mass incarcerated black men over the last two and a half-plus decades,” he added.

“He was, he was the VP of Barack Obama. So he hides in the closet a lot. He’s been able to cover up all of his oppressive policies that he has pushed really, since he has been in the Senate. This man literally has pushed back against school choice, which is basically modern day segregation of schools. We have all these poor African-American kids who are not getting educated right now because they don’t have school choice in many of these states,” the evangelist and former NFL safety continued.

“And for me, it goes back to the prisons, man. I teach in prisons all across this country. So at some point it has to get off of the politics, and talk about the real black families that Joe Biden has decimated through his 1994 Crime Bill,” Brewer said. “There’s hundreds of thousands of black families right now who don’t have their fathers or who have been locked up disproportionately. It is time for him to answer to black America, keep it real. Stop race-baiting.”

Apparently this guy is not Black. Ask Biden.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/05/25/fmr-nfl-star-jack-brewer-on-you-aint-black-reveal-the-mask-is-off-america-can-see-the-real-joe-biden-925489?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 25 May, 2020 01:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
It;s pretty clear you have no conception of what the majority of the country wants.

It is pretty clear you have lost the ability to think for yourself and rely on rhetoric and repeating it in almost every post. Next.
 

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