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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:26 pm
@Builder,
As usual, trump is replete with lies and fantasies and opinion that's trying to pretend it's fact. Fail, Donald, fail.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:27 pm
@MontereyJack,
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that's trying to pretend it's fact.

It is fact, you are doing the pretending. Laughing Laughing Laughing
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:29 pm
@coldjoint,
No, you are. And I might add, his bullshit is not sticking. Biden is still in the lead, by an average of six and a half points. Pteople are sick of his lies and bullshit and they are not buying inkto his fantasies this time around. It's the boy who cried wolf principle, and the wolf is going to bite his ass in november.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:43 pm
@MontereyJack,
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No, you are. And I might add, his bullshit is not sticking.

The transcripts and documents released clearly show Obama was involved plus that there was never any credible evidence connecting Trump to Russia. Those are hard facts and they are sticking. Durham will prove in a court of law the abuse of power and charge who he can. Remember prosecutors only file charges when they are confident they will win. Durham will indict. Who? We will find out.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:46 pm
@coldjoint,
Trump denied repeatedly his campaign ever had any contact with russia. then something over forty meetings and contacts surfaced. those are the facts.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 May, 2020 08:55 pm
@MontereyJack,
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then something over forty meetings and contacts surfaced.

It is not against the law to talk to Russians. The transcripts say none of it was considered credible evidence for collusion, twice. Before Mueller started the probe and after. You lose. Laws were broken and not by Trump.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 17 May, 2020 09:00 pm
@coldjoint,
Trump didn't need to conspire because he openly told putin he wanted his help and putin gave it. He was very public about it, so he got the same result as collusion by doing it openly. And the Mueller probe was bipartisan in origin, because many republicans were concerned about Russian interference in the election, justifiably so as it turned out.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 May, 2020 10:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Trump didn't need to conspire because he openly told putin he wanted his help and putin gave it.

That was a joke just like the Russian hoax.
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And the Mueller probe was bipartisan in origin,

And started with no evidence but a phony dossier. Too many facts in Trump's favor to believe anything else unless you are stupid.
Wilso
 
  3  
Mon 18 May, 2020 03:57 am
The easiest way to judge the character and performance of the orange haired chimpanzee, ask these questions. How many times did Obama mention George Bush? Admittedly, I’m not as close, but I can’t remember once. How many times has Trump mentioned Obama. Roughly every second time he opens his mouth. Desperately trying to control the narrative because he knows that history will be brutal. He’s so ******* narcissistic that he can’t stand the thought that people will still be thinking ill of him long after he’s dead.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 18 May, 2020 04:01 am
@Wilso,
I remember Obama talking about how Bush handled the transition in a warm and friendly manner and thanking him for it.

I remember him doing it at the start and end of his presidency, so that’s twice. I can’t think of any other occasions.
Setanta
 
  3  
Mon 18 May, 2020 05:53 am
@izzythepush,
When Mr. Obama had been elected, and before the inauguration, I started a thread here about how cordial and urbane Mr. Bush had been toward the Obamas. I got lambasted by a horde of people who wanted to know if I were an idiot, and had I forgotten that Bush were evil incarnate.

Mr. Bush's cordial reception of the Obamas took the wind out of the sails of the reactionary hysterics. They were very much in evidence here as the rightwing nuts shouted about incipient communism, with the more restrained simply pointing out that we were now in the grip of a socialist takeover. But Mr. Bush had completely vitiated such hysteria in the public stance of the Republican party. Those on the left who attacked me didn't seem to understand these things. I do wonder how many on the extremes, or even the more moderate liberals and conservative, have grown up since then. Clearly many on he left and the right here have no sense of practical politics, and what constitutes the art of the possible.
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 06:25 am
@coldjoint,
Trump's obamagate is just another trump lie
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and his GOP allies are misrepresenting the facts behind the legal case of former national security adviser Michael Flynn as they seek to allege improper behavior during the Obama administration in the presidential campaign season.
Broadly dubbing his allegations “Obamagate," Trump points to unspecified conspiracies against himself in 2016 and suggests the disclosure of Flynn's name as part of legal U.S. surveillance of foreign targets was criminal and motivated by partisan politics. There's no evidence of that.

In fact, the so-called unmasking of Americans' names like Flynn's is legal.

Over the weekend, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro also alleged without evidence corruption involving Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden's son, Hunter, in China. And in an interview re-aired Sunday, Trump mischaracterized messages between FBI employees to suggest a post-2016 election plot to get him.


Meanwhile, Trump continued to spread falsehoods about the availability of tests needed to help stem the spread of the coronavirus in the U.S. and exaggerated the scope of his travel restrictions on China.

A look at the recent political rhetoric and reality:
FLYNN
TRUMP: “OBAMAGATE!” — tweet Saturday.
TRUMP: “Biggest political crime and scandal in the history of the USA.” — tweet Thursday.
THE FACTS: He’s making an unsupported claim that former President Barack Obama broke the law.
Trump and his supporters have made the unmasking of Flynn one of their major talking points, claiming that it proves the Obama administration unfairly and illegally targeted Flynn and other Trump associates.

But there is nothing illegal about unmasking. The declassified document also states that the unmasking requests were approved through the National Security Agency’s “standard process.”
This past week, when Trump was asked by reporters to define Obama’s criminal offense in the alleged “Obamagate,” Trump failed to articulate one. “You know what the crime is,” he said last Monday. “The crime is very obvious to everybody. All you have to do is read the newspapers, except yours.”
During routine surveillance of foreign targets, names of Americans occasionally come up in conversation, either because the foreigner is talking to or about them. For privacy reasons, those names are generally concealed, or masked, before the intelligence is distributed to administration officials. U.S. officials can ask the agency that collected the intelligence to unmask the name if they think it is vital to understanding the intelligence.

While Trump casts unmasking as sinister, the number of identities unmasked in response to such requests has actually increased during the first years of the Trump administration from the final year of the Obama administration.
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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee: “The unmasking of General Flynn by the Obama Administration regarding conversations during the presidential transition are deeply troubling and smell of politics, not national security.” — statement Wednesday.
THE FACTS: There is nothing from newly released material that suggests the unmasking requests were rooted in politics rather than national security.
There were indeed multiple Obama administration officials, including then-Vice President Biden, who asked the NSA to disclose the name of an American whose identity was concealed in intelligence reports. That American was revealed to be Flynn.
But there’s nothing inherently unusual about the requests, and the documents released by the Trump administration say the people who made the requests were authorized to receive the underlying intelligence reports.
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SEN. RAND PAUL, R-KY: “But it should be and is illegal to listen to an American’s conversation. And it’s even worse if you’re listening to an American who just happens to be your political opponent from the opposite party.” — interview Wednesday on Fox News Channel.
THE FACTS: It is not illegal to listen to an American’s conversations, and law enforcement officials do it routinely with a warrant or court order. But in any event, that’s not what happened here.
No one was listening intentionally to an American’s conversation. Instead, U.S. officials learned of the conversations that involved or mentioned Flynn during surveillance of foreign targets.
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TRUMP, addressing the criminal case against Flynn that Trump's Justice Department is now seeking to drop: “This was all Obama, this was all Biden. These people were corrupt, the whole thing was corrupt, and we caught them.” — interview Thursday on Fox Business Network.
THE FACTS: He’s suggesting partisan politics by the Obama administration were completely behind Flynn’s investigation. That's incorrect.
It is true that the counterintelligence investigation into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign, and into Russia in particular, began during the Obama administration. But it continued well into Trump’s own administration. The investigation into Flynn was taken over by a special counsel who was appointed by Rod Rosenstein, Trump’s own deputy attorney general.
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‘OBAMAGATE’
NAVARRO: “Joe Biden has got 40 years of sucking up to the Chinese, including the eight years as vice president. And we know about the billion dollars that his son took from the Chinese.” — interview Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.”
TRUMP: “Worst of all, was the last eight years under President Obama and Biden, where his son gets a billion and a half dollars, and then they’re supposed to be tough on China. ... And he walked out of China with $1.5 billion dollars to invest for them, of which he makes hundreds of thousands — and actually millions — of dollars.” — Fox interview Thursday.
THE FACTS: There’s no evidence Hunter Biden pocketed $1.5 billion from China. More generally, accusations of criminal wrongdoing by father or son are unsubstantiated.
In 2014, an investment fund started by Hunter Biden and other investors joined with foreign and Chinese private equity firms in an effort to raise $1.5 billion to invest outside China. That’s far from giving Hunter Biden such a sum, as Trump describes it.
Hunter Biden’s lawyer, George Mesires, wrote in an internet post last year that his client was an unpaid director of the fund at the time “based on his interest in seeking ways to bring Chinese capital to international markets.”
“He has not received any return on his investment,” Mesires said.
Hunter Biden stepped down from the Chinese board last October as part of a pledge not to work on behalf of any foreign-owned companies should his father win the presidency.
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TRUMP: “So even before I got elected, you remember the famous — the two lovers, right, Strzok and Page, the insurance policy, she’s going to win, but just in case she doesn’t we have an insurance policy. That means that if I won, they’re going to try and take me out.” — Fox interview Thursday, which re-aired Sunday.
THE FACTS: There was no conspiracy afoot to take out Trump in the 2016 text message between two FBI employees.
Trump depicts the two as referring to a plot — or insurance policy — to oust him from office if he won the presidential election over Democrat Hillary Clinton. It’s apparent from the text that it wasn’t that.
Agent Peter Strzok and lawyer Lisa Page, both now gone from the bureau, said the text messages reflected a debate about how aggressively the FBI should investigate Trump and his campaign when expectations at the time were that he would lose anyway.
Strzok texted about something Page had said to the FBI’s deputy director, to the effect that “there’s no way he gets elected.” But Strzok argued that the FBI should not assume Clinton would win: “I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.” He likened the situation to “an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.” He has said he was not discussing a plot to drive Trump from office.
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TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS
NAVARRO, praising Trump's pandemic response: “This starting gun for the China pandemic started on Jan. 30 when President Trump had the courage to pull down the flights from China. ... So don’t tell me we lost February, because I was there. I’m right here. And this president was directing us to move as quickly as possible.” — interview Sunday on ABC's “This Week.”
TRUMP: “In January I put – and I was criticized by everybody including Dr. Fauci — I put in a wall. We put in a very strong wall. Only a small number of people were allowed in, and they were all U.S. citizens. I can’t tell a U.S. citizen, you can’t come back into your country. ... We actually acted very early.” — Fox interview Thursday.
THE FACTS: The travel restrictions he imposed on China in late January had other loopholes besides the exceptions for U.S. citizens. It was not a solid “wall” or total ban, as Trump and his trade adviser suggest.
There were many gaps in containment and initial delays in testing in January and February, leading to the U.S. rising to No. 1 globally in the number of people infected by the coronavirus.
His order temporarily barred entry by foreign nationals who had traveled in China within the previous 14 days, with exceptions for U.S. citizens, but also their immediate family and permanent residents.
Dr. Anne Schuchat, the No. 2 official at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told The Associated Press the federal government was also slow to understand how much coronavirus was spreading from Europe, which helped drive the acceleration of U.S. outbreaks in February. Trump announced restrictions for many European countries in mid-March.
”I think the timing of our travel alerts should have been earlier," she said.
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VIRUS TESTING
TRUMP: “We just cracked 10 million tests ... Ten million. ... If you look down here, these are other countries that have not done anywhere near what we’re doing. We’re double. If you add them up and double them, we’ve done more tests. But I can’t get the press to print that, unfortunately.” — remarks Wednesday with governors of Colorado and North Dakota.
TRUMP: “What we’ve done on testing, we’ve now tested more than the entire world put together.” — remarks Thursday to reporters.
THE FACTS: False. The U.S. has not tested more than all other countries combined, let alone double the number for the entire world. It also lags many countries in testing its population proportionally.
Together, just three countries — Russia, Germany and Italy — have reported more tests than the U.S.
This week, the U.S. had reported conducting more than 10 million tests since the pandemic began, after failing in the crucial early weeks of the outbreak. That compared with more than 23 million tests by the other countries in the top 10 of the testing count.
The U.S. was followed by Russia, Germany, Italy, Spain, Britain, India, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and France.
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BRETT GIROIR, the federal health official overseeing U.S. testing: “Everybody who needs a test can get a test. ... If you’re symptomatic with a respiratory illness, that is an indication for a test and you can get a test. If you need to be contact traced, you can get a test.” — news briefing on May 11.
THE FACTS: Not according to public health experts, who say the U.S. is not near the testing level to safely reopen.
Researchers at the Harvard Global Health Institute, for instance, said the U.S. should now be doing 900,000 tests a day to help stop the spread of the virus. Trump this week said the U.S. was doing about 300,000.
Giroir stressed that an adequate number of diagnostic tests were available for those with symptoms of COVID-19, but studies have shown many who get infected never show symptoms. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious diseases expert, has urged enough testing to include at the least asymptomatic people in vulnerable populations, such as nursing homes.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently broadened its guidelines for coronavirus testing to include certain asymptomatic people who may be at higher risk.
More than 40 states are failing to test widely enough to reach the level needed to safely loosen stay-at-home orders, according to an AP analysis of metrics developed by the Harvard Global Health Institute. The group includes four — Colorado, Florida, Georgia and Texas – that have already reopened.
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Associated Press writers Meghan Hoyer and Deb Riechmann contributed to this report.
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EDITOR'S NOTE — A look at the veracity of claims by political figures.
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Find AP Fact Checks at http://apnews.com/APFactCheck
Follow @APFactCheck on Twitter: https://twitter.com/APFactCheck
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 07:16 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 07:19 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 18 May, 2020 07:24 am
@MontereyJack,
Simple good truthy stuff.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Mon 18 May, 2020 07:25 am
@bobsal u1553115,
https://i.imgur.com/uCFa2E3.png

I think the number are even bigger than the these polls show.
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 08:31 am
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Eric Trump claimed Saturday that the coronavirus will “magically” vanish after the November election and allow the country to fully reopen — an assertion that has no basis in science and is contradicted by health experts worldwide.

In an interview with Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro, Trump suggested the president’s critics were using the pandemic to undermine his father’s rallies, calling it a “cognizant strategy” that would cease once it was no longer politically expedient.

“You watch, they’ll milk it every single day between now and November 3," the younger Trump said. "And guess what, after November 3, coronavirus will magically, all of a sudden, go away and disappear and everybody will be able to reopen.”
WP

This is not a smart man but I very much doubt he or Pirro believe this. They are just lying.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 18 May, 2020 11:06 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Flynn was not a foreign agent. There was no derogatory information found. That is a written fact released in the transcripts. Your meme is a lie that they expect the haters, they have made haters, to believe it with no questions asked.

The meme shows just how dumb some people are, and they are not Trump supporters.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 11:32 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 18 May, 2020 11:36 am
Is it funny how the guy who took at least $400,000 from the Turks alone, who belatedly signed himself up as a foreign foreign agent was fired by Donnie Fat Cheeks for being a foreign agent and lying about it to Pence who say that Flynn was a foreign agent but didn't mean to lie about it, isn't a foreign agent and its all Obama's fault anyways.

My kids at four years old came up with better lies than that about the missing cookies fer pete's sakes.
 

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