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snood
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 06:44 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

No, that's "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" with the anti-Trump crowd.

You have proven that repeatedly. It's why you have no credibility.


This coming from someone who considers Donald Trump credible.
neptuneblue
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 06:47 am
@Builder,
I am confused why you'd post erroneous information. Although this article was made March 2, 2020, there has been continual updates since April 2, 2020 proving it's false.

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In short, it is not possible for COVID-19 to be caused by a vaccine derived from an unrelated flu virus.


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-flu-vaccine-causes-new-coro/false-claim-the-flu-vaccine-causes-the-new-coronavirus-idUSKCN21X2LT

Did you NOT know this is false?
izzythepush
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 06:49 am
@snood,
Not only that, the moment Trump was caught out with 'Grab them by the pussy,' McGentrix made it his avatar. Thus showing his personal support for the sexual assault of women and children.

And he's supposed to be a 'moderate' Trump supporter because he sometimes pretends not to like racism.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:01 am
@izzythepush,
Is he showing support for victims or sharing his fantasy?
izzythepush
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I don't know exactly, all I know is that as soon as the news broke it became his avatar. And his support for Trump has not diminished, if anything he became more vocal since the revelation.
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blatham
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:12 am
@McGentrix,
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It's why you have no credibility.

Well that certainly frees me of all sorts of burdens.
revelette3
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:17 am
@blatham,
Very Happy
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glitterbag
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:24 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

You do know that Biden spent much of his long political career fighting to cut SS and Medicare. Surely, you know that.


That's absolutely not true and you know it.
Setanta
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:30 am
Now that Sanders won't get in, Lash sees it as her job to trash the Democratic candidate, because she's a Republican and Plump is her president. She said as much in this thread.
revelette3
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:30 am
This Pandemic is not something that is out to get Trump, it is real and it affects families from all walks of life, unfortunately, it affects the poor among us even worse as they can't get the same treatment nor they can afford to take all the precautions necessary to try and keep them safe. (nothing is guaranteed) But it is a human tragedy story affecting the whole world, the US, more than any other country in the world. I just wish Trump could have dealt with it as probably another other President would have in his shoes, but he stays true to form and his followers do too. He didn't cause it, but he never went after it like it was a serious crisis such as a 9/11 attack, he still hasn't.

He should have brought this country together and formed a plan of attack against the virus and worried about the cost later like we do in times of war. He has simply failed as a President of the United States in a crisis.

If he had gone after it aggressively with all our tools at our disposal, even if still we had millions dying, at least we could have been behind him. I would have forgotten everything else about his presidency if he would have done it. It's not like he didn't know, if he didn't, he should have known because he was warned way before everyone realized just how big the Coronavirus was. (not saying I would have voted for him, but I would felt safer with him as President is what I am trying badly to say.)
livinglava
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:44 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

This Pandemic is not something that is out to get Trump, it is real and it affects families from all walks of life, unfortunately, it affects the poor among us even worse as they can't get the same treatment nor they can afford to take all the precautions necessary to try and keep them safe.

We have for some time had the ability to apply new technologies to making it easier for the poor to live better, but we don't do that because we have a business-driven culture that prioritizes things that make businesses more money over things that are more affordable and efficient for people who spend less.

Then, instead of reforming the economy to make it easier for people to afford better with less money, the Democrats promote the idea of redistributing money and otherwise stimulating more growth with subsidies etc. that stimulate the status quo and keep prices up instead of doing what they should, helping people and business who want to serve people more affordably to do so by lowering their costs, fees, taxes, wages they have to pay workers, etc.

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(nothing is guaranteed) But it is a human tragedy story affecting the whole world, the US, more than any other country in the world. I just wish Trump could have dealt with it as probably another other President would have in his shoes, but he stays true to form and his followers do too. He didn't cause it, but he never went after it like it was a serious crisis such as a 9/11 attack, he still hasn't.

The only reason you and others are propagating this idea of "the president should do more to . . ." is because it increases spending. If the president does more by making it harder for people to make money AND refuses to use government bailouts to compensate people for lost opportunities, you would want him to do less.

Face it, every criticism toward the president is geared toward manipulating the government to filter more money to the people.

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He should have brought this country together and formed a plan of attack against the virus and worried about the cost later like we do in times of war. He has simply failed as a President of the United States in a crisis.

You can say the same thing about all the people and businesses, who can contribute their time, equipment, and supplies for free and only worry about reimbursement later once the crisis is finished.

Unfortunately, however, when people contribute everything they have to helping others, what sometimes happens is they run out of everything they have and they thus end up in a position of dependency that others then use to exploit them.

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If he had gone after it aggressively with all our tools at our disposal, even if still we had millions dying, at least we could have been behind him. I would have forgotten everything else about his presidency if he would have done it. It's not like he didn't know, if he didn't, he should have known because he was warned way before everyone realized just how big the Coronavirus was. (not saying I would have voted for him, but I would felt safer with him as President is what I am trying badly to say.)

The main thing people needed to do was stay home and/or social-distance and they have.

There was no way for anyone to know whether this COVID19 is a scam designed to manipulate politics/economics. We can never know to what extent the circumstances that caused it to enter the human population and spread were artificially manipulated. You read articles explaining that it can't be genetically engineered, etc. but the simple fact is that IF someone is smart enough to figure out a way to make a pandemic virus and make it look natural, then it will be untraceable. It's like when you get hit by a sniper's bullet and no one ever knows who shot you and why because the chain of command that ordered the hit is completely under control.
blatham
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:48 am
Quote:
ProPublica
@propublica
· 12h
The company that took U.S. money to develop a cheap ventilator, then did not deliver a single one to the national stockpile, has just inked ANOTHER contract with the government.

This time, it is selling ventilators for quadruple the price. https://propub.li/2XViqaQ

One thing we will never truly know is just how much corruption and greed is on-going with this administration during the pandemic.
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revelette3
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 07:59 am
@livinglava,
I am only interested in one sentence of your reply. Talking of the bailouts, I am not really favor of all the bailouts, I don't see why we have to deal with the economy now, big business or little business. We should put first things first and aggressively deal with all the issues of the Pandemic, making sure we have an actual federal plan in place to make sure all states have the tools necessary to treat and attempt to keep people safe from the virus, we should have done early. If we did, maybe it wouldn't have gotten so bad, but we didn't, still haven't, so we don't know. Instead, states are scrambling to deal with the Pandemic on their own without any tools to do it with.
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hightor
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 09:48 am
@neptuneblue,
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Did you NOT know this is false?


This particular character is a bottomless font of misinformation.
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hightor
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 09:54 am
‘Sadness’ and Disbelief From a World Missing American Leadership

The coronavirus pandemic is shaking bedrock assumptions about U.S. exceptionalism. This is perhaps the first global crisis in more than a century where no one is even looking for Washington to lead.

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“America has not done badly, it has done exceptionally badly,” said Dominique Moïsi, a political scientist and senior adviser at the Paris-based Institut Montaigne.

The pandemic has exposed the strengths and weaknesses of just about every society, Mr. Moïsi noted. It has demonstrated the strength of, and suppression of information by, an authoritarian Chinese state as it imposed a lockdown in the city of Wuhan. It has shown the value of Germany’s deep well of public trust and collective spirit, even as it has underscored the country’s reluctance to step up forcefully and lead Europe.

And in the United States, it has exposed two great weaknesses that, in the eyes of many Europeans, have compounded one another: the erratic leadership of Mr. Trump, who has devalued expertise and often refused to follow the advice of his scientific advisers, and the absence of a robust public health care system and social safety net.

“America prepared for the wrong kind of war,” Mr. Moïsi said. “It prepared for a new 9/11, but instead a virus came.”

(...)

nyt

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livinglava
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 09:58 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
Talking of the bailouts, I am not really favor of all the bailouts, I don't see why we have to deal with the economy now, big business or little business.

I forgot to mention that I agree with you here in principle, but in practice, I'm not sure what would happen if businesses suddenly started laying people off and landlords and bill collectors didn't forgive non-payment, or if they kept expecting late payments and late fees while people are laid off and not getting paid.

Ideally, everyone could just hit the pause button on money and payments of any kind, but things still need to happen. People still need to eat. Shelves have to get stocked. Things have to get produced to stock the shelves.

How do you decide who keeps getting paid and which bills have to keep getting paid and which things can just go on pause? If some people are making money and not others, or some are going without a pay cut while others are making a lot less money; how do you resolve that?

Ideally the free market just adjusts prices down so that the people with the least ability to pay can still afford what they need, and then everyone who is making more money than they are just enjoys getting a raise relative to a decreasing cost of living; but in practice businesses don't usually (if ever) adjust prices downward, so it's that resistance to price corrections and the holding-out for higher prices and wages that causes economic suffering.
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blatham
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 10:03 am
If only we could replace Trump's team of lazy, selfish shysters with these people
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These co-workers lived in a factory for 28 days to make millions of pounds of raw materials for face masks and surgical gowns

The 43 Braskem America employees had all volunteered to hunker down at the plant to ensure no one caught the virus outside as they sought to meet rocketing demand. They went home this week after each working 12-hour shifts all day and night for four weeks straight.
WP
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livinglava
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2020 10:06 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
It has shown the value of Germany’s deep well of public trust and collective spirit, even as it has underscored the country’s reluctance to step up forcefully and lead Europe.

Doesn't it always seem that Europe gets praised in subtle little nods like this while slamming American exceptionalism?

Such subtle little nods imply exceptionalism for Germany in this case, or whatever European ethnicity is given the spotlight at a particular moment, but it is interesting that despite what seems to be strong feelings of exceptionalism and superiority, the taboo against exceptionalism requires that US exceptionalism be liberally criticized in order to get away with very conservatively praising European exceptionalism.

I guess Europe needs the US to serve as the louder decoy for all its little indulgences, like exceptionalism, that it can't get beyond yet doesn't want to be the worst in either.

"Pride a sin? . . . well then the US is a worse sinner and we can be proud of ourselves for not being as bad as the US in it"
 

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