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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:01 pm
@blatham,
Yeah, no. I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there. One of the first things you learn when getting educated about public speaking is to lose the uh's, um's and er's.

Don't try to be authoritative and make it appear as though that is something smart people do. Smart people learn how to talk without a prompter and to do so with out every other word being "uh".
cicerone imposter
 
  6  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:06 pm
@McGentrix,
Every other word? LOL Your exaggeration is no better than your challenge of other people's speech pattern.
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blatham
 
  4  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Thanks ci! That's a good piece. Farmerman and I earlier discussed (briefly) what seems clearly to be ADHD and #4 gets to that. But #2 is helpful to me:
Quote:
2. Word Finding; Empty Words
People with word finding deficits rely on words with little meaning. They use phrases like “by the way,” or “believe me.” They depend heavily on empty words like “really” and “very,” and use a restricted list of adjectives. Trump uses the words “tremendous,””amazing,” and “nice,” none of which tells us anything.

People with this disorder repeat themselves a lot.

I hadn't thought of this as a word finding problem but that makes a lot of sense. Even where his knowledge base isn't terrible (on business matters, say) he still manifests this repetition I was pointing to. And the fellow's first graph covers something I hadn't mentioned but which is also constant in Trump's speech.

Again, thanks for that.
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blatham
 
  4  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:14 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Don't try to be authoritative and make it appear as though that is something smart people do. Smart people learn how to talk without a prompter and to do so with out every other word being "uh".

Whatever you do, don't go and listen to an interview with Chomsky or Larry David or William Buckley or Chris Hitchens.
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:18 pm
@layman,
You don't seem to understand the significance of Obama's two wins and his approval rating at 60%.
I just enjoy shoving it into your face.
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layman
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:23 pm
@blatham,
Speaking of Chompsky and Buckley, this is from an episode of "Firing Line;"

Quote:
Buckley: I rejoice in your disposition to argue the Vietnam question, especially when I recognize what an act of self-control this must involve.

Chompsky: It does--Sometimes I lose my temper. Maybe not tonight.

Buckley: Maybe not tonight, because if you would I'd smash you in the goddamn face.

Chompsky: That's a good reason for not losing my temper.


What I never understood is why Buckley didn't bash his sorry face in whatever he said, ya know?
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:24 pm
@blatham,
Shouldn't be a problem. I am sure that for every single one you name there are 100 that do not "uh" as often as Obama when he was off prompter.

Question though, why do you feel the need to be so defensive about something this insignificant?
blatham
 
  4  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:27 pm
@McGentrix,
That's not even a good try.
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cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:46 pm
@McGentrix,
If it's so insignificant, why do you have a need to mention it?
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 05:58 pm
Trump was schooled on how to succeed by Roy Cohn, the notorious, super-aggressive, unscrupulous attorney for Joe McCarthy's house committe, back in the day.

Cohn was brilliant and believed that if your opponent threw a punch, you were obligated to throw 5 more in return. It's, like, a moral obligation, see?
layman
 
  -3  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 06:01 pm
@layman,
Ya gotta give Cohn credit for one thing, at least. He sho nuff whupped his self some commie ass!
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 06:20 pm
@layman,
After making that post, I came across this rather interesting article about Cohn and Trump:'

Quote:
Roy Cohn, the lurking legal hit man for red-baiting Sen. Joe McCarthy, whose reign of televised intimidation in the 1950s has become synonymous with demagoguery, fear-mongering and character assassination. In the formative years of Donald Trump’s career, when he went from a rich kid working for his real estate-developing father to a top-line dealmaker in his own right, Cohn was one of the most powerful influences and helpful contacts in Trump’s life.

Over a 13-year-period, ending shortly before Cohn’s death in 1986, Cohn brought his say-anything, win-at-all-costs style to all of Trump’s most notable legal and business deals....To all of these deals, Cohn brought his political connections, his public posturing and a simple credo: Always attack, never apologize.

He became Donald’s mentor, his constant adviser on every significant aspect of his business and personal life. People who knew Cohn and know Trump—people who have watched and studied both men—say they see in Trump today unmistakable signs of the enduring influence of Cohn. The frank belligerence. The undisguised disregard for niceties and convention. The media manipulation clotted with an abiding belief in the potent currency of celebrity.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-roy-cohn-mentor-joseph-mccarthy-213799
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 06:54 pm
Roy Cohn, an American hero, sho nuff!:

Quote:
As an Assistant US Attorney in Saypol's Manhattan office, Cohn helped to secure convictions in a number of well-publicized trials of accused Soviet operatives. One of the first involved the prosecution of William Remington, a former Commerce Department employee who had been accused of espionage by KGB defector Elizabeth Bentley. Although an indictment for espionage could not be secured, Remington had denied his longtime membership in the Communist Party USA on two separate occasions and was convicted of perjury in two separate trials.

Cohn also prosecuted 11 members of the American Communist Party Politburo for preaching the violent overthrow of the United States government, under the Smith Act.

Cohn played a prominent role in the 1951 espionage trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Cohn's direct examination of Ethel's brother, David Greenglass, produced testimony that was central to the Rosenbergs' conviction and subsequent execution.

The Rosenberg trial brought the 24-year-old Cohn to the attention of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) director J. Edgar Hoover, who recommended him to Joseph McCarthy... McCarthy hired Cohn as his chief counsel,Cohn would play a major role in assisting McCarthy's crusade against Communism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn

He's really an OK guy, cheese-eaters. He was a Democrat, eh?
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glitterbag
 
  5  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 07:04 pm
Roy Cohn was disbarred in 1986 for unethical and unprofessional conduct including misappropriation of clients funds, lying on a bar application, and pressuring a client to amend his will (in 1975 Cohn entered the hospital room of his dying and comatose client, Lewis Rosensteil, multimillionaire industrialist, placing a pen in his hand and attempted to make himself and Cathy Frank (granddaughter) beneficiaries, signatures deemed invalid.)
layman
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 07:14 pm
@glitterbag,
Yeah, just what you would expect from a slimy-ass Democrat, eh, Glitta?

It was a great try, at least.
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 07:46 pm
@glitterbag,
Now there's a role model if I ever sawed one.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 08:54 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
One thing we know for sure — the number of easily available firearms has nothing to do with any increase in the rate of violent crime and murder. Guns are for self-defense.

YES.

Very good!
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 08:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Your attempts to defame Obama is laughable on the face of it; I just wanted to stuff it in your face!

Not nearly as silly as your constant sniping at Trump.

Are you going to keep these silly attacks up for the entire eight years of his presidency?

For the entire 20 year period of Republican control over the White House?
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layman
 
  0  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 08:59 pm
The Ninth Circuit (aka the "nutty ninth" and the "ninth circus") was overturned 86% of the time in 2012. Here's why.

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hightor
 
  2  
Wed 8 Feb, 2017 09:31 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
First, there seems to be a suggestion by Finn that Obama's speech might have had pauses so that he could censor himself to be politically correct.

I didn't get that sense from Finn's comment — probably because I recognize that sort of speech. It's from academia; it's a professorial thing.
 

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