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coldjoint
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 01:11 pm
@Baldimo,
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and you introduce yourself as running for US Senate.

Do not forget the state of NorthSouth Carolina he said he was in.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 01:14 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
He is showing signs of it but my diagnosis means nothing.
Since you notice the signs, you easily can clarify what stage it is.

I can't. And my father, who was a specialist in geriatric medicine, died 24 years ago. So I'm relaying on your expertise.
hightor
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 01:33 pm
@Baldimo,
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What's next, national borders don't really exist and everyone should be an American?

They'd only be "American" if they lived in the Western Hemisphere. What gives you the idea that someone who lives in Asia would be considered American?
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You on the other hand seem to have no care for being an American and what that actually means.

Your concept of what it means to care about being American is very superficial.
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Look a cheap way of calling me a bigot.

Actually I've never considered you to be a bigot. I used that as an example of someone being un-American in his heart while sporting a symbol of the USA on his lapel.
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Considering you support the party who spent the last 3 years linking everyone they don't like to Russia, Russia, Russia, you can't really speak on the subject or pass judgement.

Actually I can speak about it and your comment is pretty pointless as Russia isn't red. There's no hammer and sickle on that flag.
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...you have already shown yourself to not be a proud American.

No, I've only suggested that cheap displays of patriotism aren't good ways of establishing how much a person cares about his country.
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You mean like the psychological investment people have made into thinking socialism...

There's no comparison between the two, and if you actually knew what "socialism" meant you'd see the difference. Socialism is an abstraction, used to describe a variety of ways that government interacts with society. National flags are simply symbolic objects, treated as talismanic by some, mere cultural artifacts by others.
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You aren't actually doing anything but making a bunch of noise on the internet and trying to belittle people on a website.

Oh, and what are you doing?
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If you actually cared, you wouldn't be a socialist, it's failed everywhere it's been tried but you keep on with that magical thinking.

If you knew what "socialism" even meant you wouldn't say such stupid things. How and why do you think our federal highway system was built? Public schools? Medicare and unemployment compensation? Are the Scandinavian states "failures"? How about Canada and the UK? Socialism does not necessarily imply a socialist state run by a socialist party. That's more like Leninism. Socialism can simply be one component of a modern state; it's a tendency not a doctrine.
Brand X
 
  1  
Mon 2 Mar, 2020 01:41 pm
Seattle-area officials report new coronavirus deaths, bringing US total to 6

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/seattle-area-officials-report-3-new-coronavirus-deaths-bringing-us-total-to-5.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 01:59 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
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If you actually cared, you wouldn't be a socialist, it's failed everywhere it's been tried but you keep on with that magical thinking.

If you knew what "socialism" even meant you wouldn't say such stupid things. How and why do you think our federal highway system was built? Public schools? Medicare and unemployment compensation? Are the Scandinavian states "failures"? How about Canada and the UK? Socialism does not necessarily imply a socialist state run by a socialist party. That's more like Leninism. Socialism can simply be one component of a modern state; it's a tendency not a doctrine.
Public parks, public libraries, public schools, public ports, public housing ...

I think that many Americans have just one definition of Socialism: anything that deviates from the (economic) status quo is deemed "socialist".
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 02:08 pm
@hightor,
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They'd only be "American" if they lived in the Western Hemisphere. What gives you the idea that someone who lives in Asia would be considered American?

What gives you the idea that everyone in the Western Hemisphere is an American? Let me guess, you are working off of the stupid claim that we are working as a continent instead of a single country?

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Your concept of what it means to care about being American is very superficial.

No, that would be your concept. I have a very specific concept and it deals with the 50 states of the United States, not all the countries on the same continent. That would be a superficial meaning.

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Actually I've never considered you to be a bigot. I used that as an example of someone being un-American in his heart while sporting a symbol of the USA on his lapel.

You have to love everyone in order to be a true American? Last time I checked, the party you support has a major issue with white people... identity politics is filled with bigoted people and ideals.

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Actually I can speak about it and your comment is pretty pointless as Russia isn't red. There's no hammer and sickle on that flag.

Russia, Russia, Russia has been the deafing refrain from your party for 3 years. The GOP warned the DNC in 2012 that Russia was a problem, Obama mocked Romney and said the 1980's wanted their foreign policy back... 4 years later, Russia is the biggest threat to the US, according to the left... No, you can take your Russia hoax crap and stick it where the sun don't shine.

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No, I've only suggested that cheap displays of patriotism aren't good ways of establishing how much a person cares about his country.

You supported the least patriotic president for 8 years, and then have the nerve to degrade other people's show of patriotism by calling flag pins and other such items "cheap displays"? Once again, it says a lot more about you than it does me. I'll have that Hammer and Sickle flag ready for your "revolution".

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Oh, and what are you doing?

Oh, you got me there... Rolling Eyes

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If you knew what "socialism" even meant you wouldn't say such stupid things.

It seems you don't know what socialism really is if you think it applies to the police force and other such govt duties. People like you have been lying to the American public for decades about what socialism really is. It isn't the police and fire depts, it's the taking of someone's business and property and giving to others you think deserve it more. It isn't govt control of those systems, that's Communism, you want the "people" to control everything...

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Are the Scandinavian states "failures"? How about Canada and the UK? Socialism does not necessarily imply a socialist state run by a socialist party. That's more like Leninism. Socialism can simply be one component of a modern state; it's a tendency not a doctrine.

You sound just as stupid as Bernie Sanders when he made those same false claims. None of those countries are socialist, they have freer markets then we have. The only thing they have that looks like socialism is high taxes across the board, not just on the wealthy.



Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 02:34 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
It seems you don't know what socialism really is if you think it applies to the police force and other such govt duties. People like you have been lying to the American public for decades about what socialism really is. It isn't the police and fire depts, it's the taking of someone's business and property and giving to others you think deserve it more. It isn't govt control of those systems, that's Communism, you want the "people" to control everything...
An aside: the first political police was established in Germany in 1878: to observe the Social Democrats.

Nowadays, the (moderate) socialist and social democratic parties, democratically oriented in the pluralist sense, are united in the Socialist International.

In the 1950s and 1960s, the major socialist/social democratic parties in Europe broke away from the specific politics of interests for the labour movement and Marxist economic and social theory in order to open themselves ideologically to a broader voter potential.
Since then, they have been considered major popular ("big tent") parties.
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blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:21 pm
@georgeob1,
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georgeob: left wing advocates of extended government management and control of individual affairs

Me: To what, exactly, do you refer? Which individual affairs does someone like me wish to control?


georgeob
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you can start with individual health care choices, parental choices for public education and charter schools, religious freedom, and gun ownership.


- individual health care choices
Here in BC, there is no restriction on which doctor I see. It's personal choice (as anywhere, subject to available doctors in your region who have additional patient capacity). If I'm not happy, I seek and see another.

Individuals earning more than $42,000 per year pay $75 monthly for all services - doctors and any hospital expenses. Medications are extra but are heavily subsidized for poor and seniors. I am on 6 meds, once or twice daily, and pay just over $1000 per year.

Everyone gets covered and treated. Poverty or financial distress become irrelevant.

- parental choices for public education and charter schools
The only restrictions here are related to geography with exception of choice options for French immersion or regular English-based schools and perhaps (I'm not sure) special needs requirements (though all schools try to build staffs to accommodate such students).

Some private schools are funded @50% or 35% of local school district rates. These schools must be non-profit operations, employ provincially certified teachers, have curricula consistent with provincial curricula and maintain adequate facilities.

- religious freedom
Here, you are speaking in the context of US culture and law. But I see the common claim there that religion is being throttled or freedoms curtailed to be deeply deceitful or misplaced at best. Churches aren't being closed down. Parishioners aren't being oppressed or maltreated by government (though minority faiths, particularly, can be due to citizen bigotry). Religious ideas or claims are commonly held up for examination and/or criticized but in that, they are like any other ideas, all of which ought to be subject to such criticism/debate. As an atheist, I don't feel any resentment when my position is challenged so long as the challenge is rational.

I suspect you wish to claim that religious groups ought to have the freedom to behave towards others as their ideology directs. But of course, that liberty is itself constrained in that it cannot imperil or constrain the liberty of others. I make no demand that women get abortions. I accept no constraint on women's right to make that choice, as an obvious example.

- gun ownership
You yourself will have limitations here. Guns aren't magically different from other weapons. You'd not deem it an offence to liberty if people are banned from walking into a school or restaurant with molotov cocktails or flame-throwers or machetes. You'd surely call the police if a pickup truck was slowly driving through your neighborhood with two men sitting in the back manning mounted machine guns. You'd not wish to see Home Depot running a special on 100 pound bags of ammonium nitrate. Pocket-size nukes would probably be on your list of things to ban. You'd likely object if the local mall had a booth selling improvised explosive devices.

So, no, I'm not compelled by your suggestion that any of these four example constitute unacceptable curtailment of citizens' rights.



hightor
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:24 pm
@Baldimo,
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What gives you the idea that everyone in the Western Hemisphere is an American?

In the USA, we refer to our country as "America" but if you look at a map you'll see that there's a "South America", a "Central America", and a "North America" — they're all parts of America, a great mass of land in the Western hemisphere. You raise a hypothetical question here:
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What's next, national borders don't really exist and everyone should be an American?

So if national borders didn't exist there'd be no USA and everyone living in the Western hemisphere would thus simply be an "American".
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I have a very specific concept and it deals with the 50 states of the United States, not all the countries on the same continent.

Yes, I refer to that country as the USA, not "America" and I describe the people who live in that country as "USAmericans".
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You have to love everyone in order to be a true American?

The country's ideals are spelled out in its aspirational documents. "Loving" everybody isn't mentioned. The idea that rights and freedoms are extended to all who live here is mentioned.
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Last time I checked, the party you support has a major issue with white people...

That's really stupid. Some white people have a problem with the party I support would be a better way of phrasing it.
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The GOP warned the DNC in 2012 that Russia was a problem...

No, they warned the Democrats generally, not the DNC specifically. And they were right to. But election meddling and disinformation spread through social media wasn't an issue in that election; Romney was talking in geo-political terms. So I could turn the same question back at you — the GOP was "Russia, Russia, Russia" in 2012, but after the Kremlin decided to help Trump get elected in 2016 the GOP is strangely silent.
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You supported the least patriotic president for 8 years...

Your side doesn't have a lock on patriotism; you just express it differently and often lapse into the blatant ultra-nationalism on display at Trump rallies.
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People like you have been lying to the American public for decades about what socialism really is.

No, that's people like you.
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None of those countries are socialist, they have freer markets then we have.

Again, socialism isn't a single system but a way of managing the competing interests of all parts of society. Almost all modern democracies contain socialistic elements even though none of them are purely socialist. In the Nordic states this includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining, with a high percentage of the workforce unionised and a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector. Socialism can accept free markets as long as they can be shown to be good for society, and free markets can coexist with high taxes. But I'll agree, Denmark isn't a "socialist country" — it doesn't have to be. I don't see the USA becoming a "socialist country" either but I do believe in using the power of the government to improve people's lives and some elements of socialism would be employed in doing this.
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blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:36 pm
I think there is no issue more important for the future of democracy in the US than this one.
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We just got a reminder of the stakes of the 2020 election in an area that almost no one has paid attention to in this campaign. It comes from the Supreme Court, which decided to hear a case that seeks to undo the entire Affordable Care Act in one fell swoop, a case whose consequences could be absolutely cataclysmic for the American health-care system.

But the issue goes way beyond health care — and convincing Americans not to pay too much attention to those stakes is essential to Republicans’ election plans.

Ask yourself: How much have you heard about the Supreme Court in particular and the courts in general over the course of the campaign? Only a couple of questions have been asked about the issue in the many debates. For a brief period about a year ago, candidates mulled over whether the size of the Supreme Court should be increased, but they haven’t talked about it much since.

Now think about this: If President Trump wins reelection, it is highly likely that Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg (age 87 in a couple of weeks) and Stephen Breyer (age 81) will retire because of illness or age. At that point there would be a 7-2 conservative majority on the court.

Remember when the mostly conservative Anthony Kennedy was the median justice, with an equal number of votes to his right and left? Now Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., a highly conservative justice who occasionally votes with the court’s liberals not because he’s some kind of moderate but because he’s politically savvy (more on that in a moment), is the median justice.

Imagine if the ideologically median justice was Samuel A. Alito Jr.

Roe v. Wade being overturned would be just the beginning. Workers rights would be eviscerated (a project the court is already making progress on). Environmental laws would be struck down left and right. You could say goodbye to just about any regulation that impinges on the ability of businesses to do whatever they want. And if you think Republican voter suppression efforts are aggressive now, just you wait until they have a Supreme Court that will rubber-stamp their electoral rigging schemes.

You could have a Democratic president and Congress that passed a raft of progressive legislation, only to see the Supreme Court strike every bit of it down. It would be the culmination of decades of right-wing dreams and plans, a nuclear bomb dropped on the ability of government to protect fundamental rights or serve the interests of ordinary people...

hightor
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:40 pm
@blatham,
Shout it out. It's why I'll (even) vote for Mike if he's the nominee.

Actually, I wonder if he'll consider leaving the race if Biden begins to do well. Bloomberg could help a lot of congressional candidates and not make an ass of himself.
Builder
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:42 pm
@blatham,
Keywords in your un-cited dribble include "ask yourself", "might", "you could say", "think about this", "just about any".

Any more ambiguous and leading, and this would be the most laughable piece of guff I've seen today.

Not even a nice try, so no banana.
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blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:55 pm
@hightor,
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It's why I'll (even) vote for Mike if he's the nominee.

You know, that's a hell of a good point. Kicking myself for not having thought of it.
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Actually, I wonder if he'll consider leaving the race if Biden begins to do well.

His stated rationale suggests he will. I guess we'll see whether or not his actual motivation is something else.
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blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:57 pm
Some good news from the seriously fucked up state of Wisconsin where the Koch boys have done some of their most destructive work.
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Wisconsin Appeals Court Reverses Judge’s Order For Speedy Purge: A state appeals court dealt a setback to the conservative group that was seeking a purge of some 209,000 Wisconsin voters before the next election. The group had claimed that the Wisconsin Elections Commission had been slow to remove from the rolls voters who had potentially left the state. The group had secured both a lower court ruling ordering the purge and a finding of contempt against the commission for not following that order right away. Both the order and the contempt finding were reversed by the appeals court on Friday, which put the purge on hold while it considered the case, and the appeals court sent the case back to the judge for its dismissal.
TPM
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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I can't. And my father, who was a specialist in geriatric medicine, died 24 years ago. So I'm relaying on your expertise.

My father was a well known and respected cardiologist, who also specialized in diabetes. He is also gone. 15 years ago. Our families have little to do with this.
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blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:16 pm
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If President Trump and his propagandists get their way, no one will ever raise a peep of criticism over his handling of coronavirus — thus placing our government’s response to a looming public health emergency beyond scrutiny entirely. Protecting Trump, apparently, is a higher priority than protecting the country.

Fortunately, Democrats aren’t standing down. Over the weekend, the presidential candidates rolled out expansive new criticisms of Trump’s handling of the outbreak, each tailored to their own story. Billionaire Mike Bloomberg released a three-minute ad criticizing it.

But there’s still more that Democrats could be saying. That’s because Trump has exposed a major leadership weakness, one that goes well beyond just the coronavirus response.

The weakness in question: Trump’s chronic inability to admit that anything on his watch is less than stupendously wonderful. This pathology is deeply ingrained in this presidency. It infects everything from his depictions of the economy to his insane demands of border officials, in addition to (as we’re now seeing) the government’s handling of a public health crisis.

Highlighting this provides a way to integrate criticism of Trump’s management failures with an indictment of his hideous character flaws —his towering dishonesty and megalomania. In this telling, those failings are not just the latest ugly installment of the Daily Trump Show. They’re also shortcomings that threaten major real-world consequences.

A debate over Trump’s handling of the epidemic is one that his propagandists badly want to avoid — so they’re casting all criticism of it as only reflecting a desire to harm Trump himself. Numerous Republicans and right-wing media figures have made variations of this claim.

Perhaps worst of all, Donald Trump Jr. is claiming that Democrats want “millions” to die of coronavirus to end Trump’s “streak of winning.” In so doing, Trump the Younger usefully unmasked his reprehensible instinct to see the prospect of mass U.S. deaths mainly through the prism of how this would impact the president politically.

And yet, on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Vice President Pence actually defended this sentiment as “understandable.” Why? Because it was a response to … criticism of Trump, which is apparently so intolerable that it justifies even this.

This cultish prioritization of protecting Trump above all else, of course, flows from the tone that Trump himself has set. But the case that Democrats can now make is that this very megalomania is itself corroding the government’s ability to handle this crisis...
Greg Sargent

Consider as well the very real possibility (I think it a high probability) that Trump is very deeply concerned that when he is not in his present position, he becomes open to serious transparency and legal action regarding criminality before and during his presidency. If this is the case, and knowing how he is far from being a man of honesty and integrity, one might predict that he will now behave like (cliche alert) a cornered rat. Of course, if he's snow white pure, he has no worries. Even if he will face legal fees, he can pay with the money he has hauled in during the four years in office.
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blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:28 pm
Yike. Deaths in Washington State now up to 6.

I just got off the phone with my daughter who works at Powell's Books in Portland. It is the world's largest used bookstore and thousands move through each day. For many tourists who arrive in Portland, it is a first stop. Suitcases and baggage are frequently turned over to staff while families shop. Adults and children spread throughout the store, touching railings, counters, doors, washrooms, and books.

Staff and management are well aware of their situation. Even with serious attention to cleanliness and hygiene, as my daughter said, "It's not a matter of if but of when".

I'm desperately hoping that purple hair and marijuana will prove deterents.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:29 pm
@blatham,
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Yike. Deaths in Washington State now up to 6.

Any stats on deaths from the flu?
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blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:34 pm
"In New York state, the person who tested positive was only the 32nd test we've done in this state. That is a national scandal. They're testing 10,000 a day in some countries." - ER Dr. Matt McCarthy
blatham
 
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Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:47 pm
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Right Wing Watch
@RightWingWatch
Pat Robertson says that as long as you have a "healthy gut," you won't get sick from the coronavirus.

And yes, in the video, there are products displayed in front of this man. He is, by the way, now worth some $80 million.
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