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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 01:19 pm
What has always impressed me with Trump as a leader and as a human being is that he has always surrounded himself with incorruptible truth-tellers. People really just like himself.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 01:19 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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My response wasn't related to Influenza virus H1N1 but to Swine flu.

The "flu" is the flu. If it is named after a pig it is still the flu.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 01:21 pm
@blatham,
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What has always impressed me with Trump as a leader and as a human being is that he has always surrounded himself with incorruptible truth-tellers. People really just like himself.

You discussing truth is not worth the read.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 01:23 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
The "flu" is the flu. If it is named after a pig it is still the flu.
Swine flu (Swine influenza) isn't named after a pig but because it is a types of a swine influenza virus.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 28 Feb, 2020 01:25 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Swine flu (Swine influenza) isn't named after a pig but because it is a types of a swine influenza virus.

Swine= pig. Stop nitpicking.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 01:42 pm
I'm no fan of Johnson, but so far there has been no criticism of the government's response to the virus or of the necessary infrastructure.

That may change, but for now Trump's the only Western leader to let the virus make him look stupid. You'd have to go to Iran to find similar levels of criticism.
revelette3
 
  1  
Fri 28 Feb, 2020 02:00 pm
On another topic, for however long it lasts (hopefully the Supreme will refuse to take it up)the following is at least some good news.

Federal appeals court rules against Trump in two major immigration cases
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reinstated a block on the administration’s policy of forcing migrants seeking asylum to wait in Mexico while the cases play out.


I can already 'hear' the replies from the usual suspects.

I will say, right now, it might be better to stay where you are, given the worldwide crises we have right now.
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hightor
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 02:03 pm
@Baldimo,
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Then why make the claim that he hasn't done anything of note?

Because I don't consider them to be especially noteworthy.
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Special acclaim?

For simply doing his job...I don't think so.
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Doesn't matter, it was his idea and he pushed it forward.

It wasn't "his idea" — Kanye West and Kim Kardashian had to convince him to get on board with it.
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You mean a drop in illegal immigration?

No. You should pay more attention to what your stupid president is doing:
Forbes wrote:
New data from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) show legal immigration declined by almost 87,000, by more than 7%, between FY 2016 and FY 2018. “Excluding refugees means 122,412 fewer legal immigrants became lawful permanent residents in FY 2018 than in FY 2016, a decline of 11.5%,” according to a National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP) analysis. Refugees approved in years prior to the Trump presidency were finally (and appropriately) counted as permanent residents in FY 2018, which obscures some of the reduction in immigration. Trump administration policies now blocked in court by lawsuits would lead to deeper reductions in immigration.

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hightor
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 02:04 pm
@coldjoint,
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You discussing truth is not worth the read.

But you find it worth commenting on...
coldjoint
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 02:07 pm
@izzythepush,
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You'd have to go to Iran to find similar levels of criticism.

Keeping up with Iran? No surprise. Any comments on how Islam has made your whole country look stupid?
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 02:10 pm
@hightor,
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But you find it worth commenting on...

It is worth pointing out his his virtue signaling when he has proven he has none.
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blatham
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 03:09 pm
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How coronavirus has deeply flummuxed conservative media

Imagine you were the host of a show on Fox News right now, with the entire country focused on the potential for the coronavirus to turn into a pandemic. What would you be saying?

In a world where even a hint of ambiguity or uncertainty goes against everything they stand for, conservative media are positively flummoxed. Is this a threat, or isn’t it? Is it dramatic, and therefore all the more important that we rally behind President Trump’s heroic and inspiring efforts to keep us safe, or is it all a big hoax? And how can we blame the whole thing on the Democrats?

This is the dilemma they’re facing, and they haven’t yet figured out how to resolve it. Let’s take a quick tour around some of the madness:

-Rush Limbaugh saw a conspiracy at work, claiming that Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, must be overhyping the danger as a way to undermine Trump because her brother is Rod Rosenstein, the former deputy attorney general.
-Tucker Carlson claimed that the media underhyped the threat of the virus, insisting bizarrely that Americans had been told “if you think maybe we ought to take some steps to protect ourselves from it, then you’re a bigot.”
-Laura Ingraham speculated that China is trying to use the virus to damage Trump’s reelection, “if they can pull that off.”
-Bill Gertz, a writer for the conservative Washington Examiner, has been pushing the conspiracy theory that the virus “may have originated in a laboratory in the city of Wuhan linked to China’s covert biological weapons program."
-“The coronavirus is the common cold, folks,” said Limbaugh, saying that it was not much of a danger and it’s merely “an effort to bring down Trump” by getting everyone worked up over nothing.
-One Fox News personality after another has turned their focus to Democrats with lengthy diatribes about how the opposition is politicizing the virus. “Democrats and their media cronies have decided to weaponize fear and also weaponize suffering to improve their chances against Trump in November,” said Ingraham.

Under ordinary circumstances, the ability to repeatedly pound home a single message is what makes conservative media such a potent political force. But right now they’re all over the map.

Ingraham’s point about fear brings us to the heart of their problem. Anyone even vaguely familiar with conservative media in general and Fox News in particular knows that fear (along with anger) is the very foundation of what they do. Fear is hot, fear is compelling, fear is engaging. Fear keeps viewers from clicking away and brings them back.

It’s well summarized by a line from the recent film “Bombshell,” in which a Fox News producer tells a new hire how to understand what they do at the network:
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You have to adopt the mentality of an Irish street cop. The world is a bad place, people are lazy morons, minorities are criminals, sex is sick but interesting. Ask yourself what would scare my grandmother or piss off my grandfather, and that’s a Fox story.

When you hammer your viewers with that day after day, there’s one message that simply doesn’t fit: “Everything is fine.”

Yet that’s just the message Trump wants to send to the public, and what he’s been tweeting out (along with criticisms of Democrats, of course). We have it under control, there’s nothing to worry about, let’s all just keep buying stocks.

There’s another interesting element to this story, which is that there is a substantial body of research showing that conservatives react more strongly to stimuli that inspire disgust than liberals do.

That would make this a perfect story if a Democrat was president, causing viewers to react powerfully to information about viruses and transmission and bodily fluids, then turn their rage on the president. But they can’t encourage that now.

Going even deeper, Trump is asking his media allies to say things that undermine the fundamental argument conservatives make about government, that it is inherently inept and acts only to harm Americans, not to protect them. They could be telling stories about what a fantastic job the Trump administration is doing, but that would show government working, something they’d ordinarily like us to think is impossible.

This is very different from the actions they ordinarily praise Trump’s administration for, because those are just about cutting government and getting out of the way of the free market in its perfect wisdom. And of course, the government’s response to the virus is being carried out by the very career bureaucrats and scientists Trump has spent three years berating, making it awkward to suddenly start praising them now.

It seems unlikely that conservative media will figure out how to craft a coherent message out of this. But one particular moment seemed to perfectly capture Fox News’ problem.

On Friday, the network interviewed a man who had been released from quarantine with a clean bill of health, in a segment that was probably intended to be reassuring. Unfortunately, the man couldn’t stop coughing, and at one point took a water bottle out of the hands of his daughter, who was sitting on his lap, took a swig, and then handed the bottle back to her so she could keep drinking.

At least you can give the Fox News hosts credit for not doing what most people watching probably did, which is to shout “My god, no, what are you doing?!?” at their screens. It was great TV. But it may not have served Fox’s most urgent goal — helping Trump.
blatham
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 03:46 pm
@blatham,
I should have added to the Waldman piece just above that Trump will try to do two things above all:

1) avoid any sort of accountability for incompetence

2) make himself appear as the hero of the story
coldjoint
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 03:48 pm
@blatham,
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1) avoid any sort of accountability for incompetence

2) make himself appear as the hero of the story

Are you talking about James Comey?
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Brand X
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 04:02 pm
Robert Mackey
@RobertMackey
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3h
An American man whose father-in-law died of coronavirus in Wuhan was evacuated from China with his daughter and placed in quarantine at a US Marine base in California. He writes on GoFundMe the US government billed him $2,200 for the flight and now asks him to pay for quarantine
coldjoint
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 04:05 pm
@Brand X,
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He writes on GoFundMe the US government billed him $2,200 for the flight and now asks him to pay for quarantine

Did the government give him a reason? That is not much information. Is this supposed to vilify Trump?
Builder
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 04:08 pm
Ukraine court forces probe into Biden role in firing of prosecutor Viktor Shokin

David L. Stern, Robyn Dixon



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KYIV —A court ruling in Ukraine has forced state investigators to open a probe into alleged pressure by then-vice president Joe Biden that led to the 2016 dismissal of Viktor Shokin as the country’s prosecutor general, officials said Thursday.


Should be a no-brainer, considering creepy Joe is on video, bragging about it.

source

Brand X
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 04:37 pm
@coldjoint,
Not much more info except his funds are tied up in a China bank which he can't access.
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 04:59 pm
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Wikipedia refuses to include violence by Muslims in its article on the Delhi riots

Bias can be deadly. Something people need to know. Why are the facts avoided and the reality denied?
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Maybe one day it will all be revealed. Maybe one day we will find out why the entire media establishment is in the tank for the global jihad, and continually whitewashes it. Wikipedia’s actions here were entirely predictable; indeed, even expected. But who is making sure that virtually everything that reflects poorly upon Islam and Muslims is scrubbed and whitewashed, and those who tell the truth about the jihad threat are demonized and marginalized?

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/02/wikipedia-refuses-to-include-violence-by-muslims-in-its-article-on-the-delhi-riots
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blatham
 
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Fri 28 Feb, 2020 06:15 pm
In the event of an expanding viral contagion in the US, the best solution is to follow the example set by the Chinese communist leadership

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Rep. John Garamendi (D-Calif.) on Friday said the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was told to "stand down" and not appear on five Sunday morning talk shows to discuss the coronavirus.

Garamendi told MSNBC's Hallie Jackson that Anthony Fauci was scheduled to do all five major Sunday talk shows, but says Fauci canceled the appearances after Vice President Pence took over the administration's response to the disease.
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