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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:29 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
You are the one not listening. You said Clinton asserted executive privilege, he had that right as did Trump. However, that is not what Trump and lawyers (who are implicit in Ukraine's actions) did. They never asserted executive privilege at all. They simply decided not to cooperate at all on anything. They didn't have that constitutional right.

If so, then the Democrats should have no trouble getting the courts to agree.

Again, Mr. Trump has complied with and has enforced all rulings from the courts.


revelette3 wrote:
If they do have that right, future impeachments of Presidents, no matter what they get up to, are rendered toothless.

It's hard to assess future events. But if future impeachment efforts are also not based on evidence of serious wrongdoing, then it is right that they fail.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The file was obtained by the Beast not Media Matters.

The Daily Beast is that hack news outlet that spouted all of those lies about Amanda Knox.

Perhaps they are adequate for lining the bottoms of bird cages.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:32 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
They actually did take some of them to court, Trump ignored that too.

Can you provide any examples of Mr. Trump failing to comply with a judge's orders?


revelette3 wrote:
In point of fact, they are not finished in all the court proceedings. However, Trump should have obeyed the subpoenas and request for documents or stated the reasons why like past Presidents.

Not if the subpoenas are not legitimate.


revelette3 wrote:
It was shameful that we had to go to court to get him to do what was right, or not do as the case was in some cases.

There is no shame in disagreeing with progressives on the extent of their powers and leaving it to the courts decide.


revelette3 wrote:
Guess he was holding out for the Supreme Court.

And rightly so. They are the appropriate venue for resolving disputes over constitutional powers and authority.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:34 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
My point is that Brandon said we couldn't name one thing in our own words what Trump did that was unconstitutional.

Well, he's right.


revelette3 wrote:
The fact that he disagreed is not a legitimated defense in his claim.

People are allowed to disagree with the claims of progressives.


revelette3 wrote:
The Ukraine matter is another I could in my own words get into. Brandon and all the rest of the Trump toadies will disagree. However, reasonable people have come to the same conclusion including real constitutional scholars who put it better than I ever could on my best clear days. That other constitutional scholars disagreed does not make their assertions false.

That's kind of vague. I'm not sure what assertions you are referring to.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:35 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
This bears repeating, because it seems completely lost on those with an IQ of 17 and no understanding of the decimal point.

Does repetition help you with your lack of comprehension then?
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revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:39 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Can you provide any examples of Mr. Trump failing to comply with a judge's orders?


Quote:
Washington — A federal judge sided with a Democratic-controlled congressional committee on Monday, ordering President Trump's accounting firm to comply with a subpoena and turn over his long-sought financial records.

"It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct — past or present — even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry," U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta wrote in a lengthy opinion Monday afternoon.

Before boarding Marine One for a campaign rally in Pennsylvania Monday night, the president said the decision was "crazy" and "totally wrong." His attorney, Jay Sekulow, said he "will be filing a timely notice of appeal" with the court.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-financial-subpoena-court-upholds-house-subpoena-president-trump-financial-records-live-updates-2019-05-20/
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:43 pm
@revelette3,
I don't see anything in that article about Mr. Trump defying the courts.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 02:44 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:
One journalist remarked to me, "How in the world can these senators walk around here upright when they have no backbone?"

Progressives make a lot of goofy statements.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 03:01 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I don't see anything in that article about Mr. Trump defying the courts.

Nope. I do not see it either.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 03:15 pm
@oralloy,
A judge told him to turn them over, he didn't, he defied a court order.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 03:18 pm
@revelette3,
Quote:
A judge told him to turn them over, he didn't, he defied a court order.

Quote:
"will be filing a timely notice of appeal"

Appealing a decision is not violating a court order.
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Brandon9000
 
  0  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 03:18 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
...They never asserted executive privilege at all. They simply decided not to cooperate at all on anything...

You have no idea what's going on. For instance:

"President Donald Trump threatened this past week to broadly assert executive privilege to block a number of current and former aides from testifying, including some who have cooperated with special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation."

from: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/28/donald-trump-executive-privilege-threat-invites-me/
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 03:26 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
A judge told him to turn them over, he didn't, he defied a court order.

I didn't see anything about that in the article.

Presumably he appealed, and the higher court issued a stay of the lower court's order. But whatever happened, I didn't see anything in the article about him defying any orders.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 03:39 pm
Quote:
FISA Judge rules Obama's team approved illegal intel on 30,055 citizens during 2016 Presidential election


Quote:

FISA Court Judge Rosemary M. Collyer ruled that President Barack Obama and his top officials approved illegal surveillance on 30,055 citizens. Furthermore, Judge Collyer disclosed that one of every 20 data searches by the NSA on other citizens were illegal.

This collection of illegal data was compiled during the 2016 Presidential Election Campaign.

FISA is an abbreviation for the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The NSA is an abbreviation for the National Security Agency.

A time stamp of the court ruling is attached above. Judge Collyer's entire 99-page court ruling is in the first link below:

Wow! And Obama was not impeached?
https://brassballs.blog/home/fisa-court-rules-obamas-team-approved-illegal-intel-on-30055-citizens-during-2016-presidential-election
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revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 03:51 pm
@Brandon9000,
I will not read the Washington Times. In any case, threatening to issue executive privilege is not actually asserting executive privilege. In the letter, they refused point-blank to cooperate with the House oversight committee and its subpoenas.

The following is a pdf of the response to Trump's lawyer letter to the House. It lays out the case of subpoenas and the WH lack of cooperation and how unlike previous administrations including Nixon and Clinton it was.

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/2019-10-04.EEC%20Engel%20Schiff%20to%20Mulvaney-WH%20re%20Subpoena.pdf

This was because they wanted a full floor vote. The House did have a full floor vote, it still wasn't good enough. Never once did they assert executive privilege.

RABEL222
 
  2  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 04:40 pm
@revelette3,
Your completely right. But the 2 or 3 mentally challenged consertive posters will burn in hell before they admit it.
Brand X
 
  4  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 04:54 pm
Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
· 2h
News — Lt. Col. Vindman was just escorted out of the White House by security and told his services were no longer needed.
revelette3
 
  1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 05:01 pm
@Brand X,
Disgraceful and predictably vindictive.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 05:10 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Your completely right.

Boy that carries a lot of weight. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2020 05:40 pm
@revelette3,
Quote:
Disgraceful and predictably vindictive.

Vindman was the disgrace. They should fire his brother too.
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