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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

We came close in 1987. USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner in the mistaken belief that it was an Iranian F-14.

"Firing at what you believe is an enemy warplane that is attacking you" isn't really "intentionally downing a passenger jet."

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Brand new article about our friends up North.

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Canada: Trudeau's Support for Islamists a Warning to America

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada has an nine-year long record of supporting the Islamist cause while refusing to engage with reformist Muslims.

Perhaps most disturbing were Trudeau's comments to a gathering of Islamist front groups: he told them that he shared their beliefs, their set of values and their shared vision.

Canada will not be able to plead ignorance or inability while facing accusations of complicity from any future American terrorist victims.

Canadian contributors maybe should be worried about Canada's future. On the other hand, they might agree with Trudeau

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The degree to which Islamist extremism has spread in Canada can be demonstrated by the number of fighters who have travelled to ISIS. According to the Soufan Center, 180 Canadians went overseas to fight for for "terrorist groups" (ISIS) in Iraq & Syria while only 129 Americans did the same. Given that the US population is about ten times that of Canada, the American number should have been closer to 1800 rather that the 129 reported.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11679/trudeau-support-islamists

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Justice Dept. winds down Clinton-related inquiry once championed by Trump. It found nothing of consequence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-winds-down-clinton-related-inquiry-once-championed-by-trump-it-found-nothing-of-consequence/2020/01/09/ca83932e-32f9-11ea-a053-dc6d944ba776_story.html

AGAIN!!!!!

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@BillW,

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AGAIN!!!!!

Your source is the WP. It is completely biased. Everyone knows Clinton is guilty but above the law. Why broadcast it?

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@coldjoint,

Guilty of what?

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

Intelligence now in that the plane was hit by a missile! Going out to look for verification!

New York Times has actual video of the missile strike:
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.html

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

This incident seems like the kind of thing that tends to happen when everyone's carrying a gun and everyone's got an itchy finger.

Airlines facing scrutiny for flying in Iran after barrage
http://apnews.com/91faa791c34c6b2e14d5729c6ce8e1d1

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@oralloy,

When did you ever see the NYT's as anything more than a 'progessive' rag? I think you are beginning to announce yourself as a hypocrite. Shame on you.

P.S. I'm not trying to diss actual Intelligence/video......I'm just a little sick of folks who believe only the 'evidence' that fits their fantasy.
People need to gather all the info, sift thru it before they endorse it. Actual journalists in search of the truth will not broadcast a rumor., Thats Shawn Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson, and Alex Jones's job.. They are the 'Access Hollywood' example of frivolity, pretending to tell something others might believe....,Could it be????? I don't know! Maybe 'Lying SOS?"

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@snood,

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Guilty of what?

Besides being a fat old drunk? Deleting subpoenaed emails.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

I think you are beginning to announce yourself as a hypocrite. Shame on you.

You should let me do all the thinking.

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@snood,

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Why are you so sure Epstein killed himself?

The only thing I'm sure of is that there's a widely-circulated meme which says he didn't. That's the point I'm making.

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@hightor,

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The only thing I'm sure of is that there's a widely-circulated meme which says he didn't.

I doubt that he's even dead.

Had so much dirt on so many people, he'd be worth more alive than stiff.

And his chief procurer, and erstwhile lover, hasn't shown a single sign of loss or remorse.

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@blatham,

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....and current and former law enforcement officials said they never expected the effort to produce much of anything.

There's the key statement in your post, but you're generally blind to the truths that you share with us.

The DOJ, CIA, FBI, and DNC were complicit in many shenanigans, both prior to, and post-2016 election.

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@Builder,

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So, they missed all of their static targets with twelve missiles, but managed to take out a jetliner at cruise speed and altitude scoring two from two hits?

Maybe. Maybe not.

First off, there's a lot of speculation concerning Iran's desire for a non-lethal response, not wanting to provoke a further retaliation by the USA should there be a large loss of life or considerable destruction. So that would indicate accuracy concerning the static targets.

As far as the Ukrainian airliner, the Russian surface-to-air missiles they would have used feature a proximity fuse and spread shrapnel once they explode near the target so don't require the sort of pin-point accuracy that a contact fuse would require.

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@hightor,

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Iran's desire for a non-lethal response, not wanting to provoke a further retaliation by the USA should there be a large loss of life or considerable destruction.

That's a helluva diplomatic approach, all things considered.

You'd have to wonder why you'd bother, considering the costs involved in creating a missile of this kind.

Sabre rattling to appease the masses, is what I'm seeing.

It's not like the US or UK aren't party to millions of casualties they don't bother counting, and write off as collateral damage.

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@hightor,

Perhaps Iran didn't want to openly show American loss of life in their strikes against the US in Iraq, but they had to make a statement so to speak. From various articles I have read, more than likely the revenge from Iran will more than likely come in the form of cyberwars and proxy terrorist acts which allows them deniability.

Suleimani ‘Revenge’—This Is Why Iran’s Most Dangerous Cyber Weapons Will Stay Hidden

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Army general declines to reinstate Special Forces tab to officer pardoned by Trump

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN4xKQ_UEAASyPU?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

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Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
This will get a lot of attention today. On the “imminent threat” intel, Pompeo tells Fox News: “There is no doubt that there were a series of imminent attacks being plotted by Qasem Soleimani. We don’t know precisely when and we don’t know precisely where, but it was real.”

"Imminent threat" is the legal requirement for the action.

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Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
Pence begins Trump's rally in Toledo by giving up the game about Soleimani strike: "When 1 American life was lost at the hands of Iranian-backed militias just a few short weeks ago, POTUS launched the first airstrikes against them in 10 years." (So long "imminent threat.")

Still, these are good Christians and if we don't believe them we are spitting in the face of Jesus and God. (That's one, two or three spits depending on your theological formulations)

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"Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said."

WSJ

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