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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Sun 5 Jan, 2020 04:57 pm
http://www.usmessageboard.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2F66.media.tumblr.com%2F93cfa55261fefbdf8576674792a573d9%2F4030b852bfb05257-71%2Fs640x960%2F442eb86530be678600800bef963ad63836a0dabe.jpg&hash=0dbd44375aef013fc7511a52844f6c51
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Builder
 
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Sun 5 Jan, 2020 04:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Just drawing parallels. Obama got to blame Clinton for "misinforming" him on Benghazi, and yet they both sat in the Situation Room, watching US men being raped with swords, and tortured, but never called in air strikes.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Sun 5 Jan, 2020 05:07 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
By the evening of that next day, Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama was jetting off to a campaign fundraiser in Las Vegas, followed by parties with Jay-Z and Beyonce. Chris Stevens was already out of sight, out of mind. Except that Commander Obama could not wash off the stench of dereliction of duty, duty to far more worthy American warriors and servicemen, dereliction in failing to authorize worthy security for those who were sent in harms way under his leadership, and to order a timely rescue when he could. For such failure, any commander serving under the commander-in-chief should be court martialed. But the President expects you to give him four more years of such “leadership.”

This illustrates the power of the MSM pounding salt up Obama's ass. Obama got four more years when he should have been ridiculed for his weakness and been a 1 term president.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/10/25/benghazi-obamas-actions-amount-to-a-shameful-dereliction-of-duty/#6e929809359c
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 5 Jan, 2020 06:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
Are there any truly sovereign nations left in Europe?
Well, we've got here the 47 member states of the Council of Europe, but even the non-members Belarus, Kazakhstan and Vatican City have more than limited sovereignty.


There is no constitutional limit to the powers of the EU government. The illusion that it's members are truly sovereign is contrary to the relevant facts.
oralloy
 
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Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:44 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
izzythepush wrote:
They didn't do it because attacking heads of state and their lieutenants is against international law.

International law is non-binding and only followed if that country wants to follow it. The is no enforcement, only useless sanctions like the hundreds against Israel by a useless UN.

However binding international law is or is not, international law does not forbid killing the leadership of a nation that we are at war with.

Now, there may be practical reasons for not doing so (for instance, if we think they are basically a rational government that we expect to surrender to us once they lose the war). But there are no legal reasons not to do so.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:46 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
One of these days Trump and by unhappy extension, we (US) are going to suck it up when we tick off enough people. Rome fell too and I bet no one expected it.

We'll launch our nukes before we ever allow ourselves to be destroyed.


revelette3 wrote:
Besides all that, we are supposed to be a nation of laws, abide the treaties and agreements we sign, including in the UN.

And we are. We do.


revelette3 wrote:
We are not supposed to be the world's bully.

That's OK. We aren't the world's bully.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:47 pm
@izzythepush,
BBC News wrote:
Iran has declared that it will no longer abide by any of the restrictions imposed by the 2015 nuclear deal.
In a statement it said it would no longer observe limitations on its capacity for enrichment, the level of enrichment, the stock of enriched material, or research and development.
The statement came after a meeting of the Iranian cabinet in Tehran.

If we fly heavy bombers out of our base in the UK and our base in Diego Garcia, we can shower Iran with cruise missiles from two directions at once.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 5 Jan, 2020 11:13 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
There is no constitutional limit to the powers of the EU government. The illusion that it's members are truly sovereign is contrary to the relevant facts.
First, not all European countries are EU-members.

Then, the "EU-government", the European Council is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. It comprises the heads of state or government of the EU member states, along with the President of the European Council and the President of the European Commission.

I don't know a lot about the constitutions of the other 26 EU-member coutries, but this is according to ours. (The German Federal Constitutional Court is relatively often dealing with it.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 06:31 am
Asked whether Johnson backed Donald Trump’s threat to target cultural sites in Iran, the No 10 spokesman said today: "There are international conventions in place that prevent the destruction of cultural heritage."


At least in the UK that's not unknown, too.
Olivier5
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 09:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Trump has threatened to bomb cultural heritage sites??? He's crazier than I thought.
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Brand X
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 09:41 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9WkfFhXkAIAUQI.jpg
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 09:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
As I see it, European leaders are not picked up by Putin; thus Europe is more sovereign and independent than the US.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 09:50 am
Quote:
UNESCO said on Monday that the United States has signed treaties committing it not to harm cultural heritage in the event of armed conflict.

U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday stood by his threat to go after Iranian cultural sites, warning of a "major retaliation" if Iran strikes back for the killing of one of its top military commanders.

The UN cultural body said that under provisions of the 1954 and 1972 conventions - which have been ratified by both the United States and Iran - signatory states undertake not to take any deliberate measures which might damage cultural and natural heritage on the territory of other states party to those conventions.


https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/unesco-rebukes-trump-u-s-signed-treaties-not-to-harm-cultural-heritage-1.8368178
hightor
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 10:26 am
I'll just point out, in case anyone doesn't know this, Wesley Clark was actually quoting someone else:
Clark wrote:
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” -- meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office -- “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”

genius
Clark wrote:
My point on this is not that the Iranians are good guys -- they're not -- but that you shouldn't use force, except as a last, last, last resort. There is a military option, but it's a bad one.

farmerman
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 10:45 am
@hightor,
Trump has always been famous for "Parroting" the words of whoever advised him last.
Now his reason for backing out of the Iran Nuclear deal has come back to bite him in he ass. I wonder whose gonna be scapegoted for this??

Will EU stick with us?
Will Russia have anything menacing to say? (I see Russia bcoming the "grownup" in the playground unless Iran really demands dibbies)


TOON in tomorrow for the next installment of

"As the Trump Turns"

I see the MSM wearing its badge of honor for having predicted that Irn would, under some pretense, find a reason to back out of the entire nuke deal and leave EU just sitting there and nobody (especially US) having brains enough to have caught it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 10:50 am
@izzythepush,
You certainly know what "Baedeker raids" are, izzy.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 10:54 am
@farmerman,
The EU is still trying to save the deal - and is risking the wrath of the USA.

Should the inspectors in Vienna come to the conclusion, as before, that Iran continues to adhere to the agreements of the nuclear deal, the EU will not impose sanctions - and thus continue to cross-pollinate with the US government.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 11:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The EU is still trying to save the deal - and is risking the wrath of the USA.

The EU is ruining Europe, and kissing Iran and Islams ass only hurries that ruination. Appeasement caused WWII. It let Hitler become powerful enough to start it. You would think Europeans would know that.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Jan, 2020 11:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There's talk over here about having to choose between the EU and US. I don't trust Johnson to make the right call.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 11:52 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I don't trust Johnson to make the right call.

Johnson might want the UK to be something more than an Islamic emirate. That is the direction you are headed and he might want to change that. These people in Iran are terrorists, why would anyone help them?

The EU barely has enough power to blow its nose. It should not be a tough decision.


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