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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 04:34 pm
@blatham,
It was an accurate description of your observable behavior here - and not a presumption about your motives for doing so. I have no idea what they might be.
blatham
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 04:42 pm
@georgeob1,
I see. So if I were to describe Trump as a fraud artist, a compulsive liar, a pathological narcissist and a sociopath - based on observable and continuous behaviors - though acknowledging that his internal motivations are complex and mostly hidden or available only by possibly erroneous inferences - that would be fine with you?
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 05:44 pm
@blatham,
I would say that those would be exaggerated overstatements, but based indeed on some of Trump's observable behavior. There's certainly a great deal of self-reinforcing rhetoric and speculation out there on these and related topics.

I have learned to base such judgments mostly on what people actually choose to do when confronting serious matters, as opposed to extrapolations based on relatively superficial mannerisms and spontaneous behaviors.

Certainly Trump has endured in a situation involving weighty responsibilities, while beset with constant, often irrational and vicious opposition and criticism from media and political opponents, to a degree and intensity not seen here in a century. That itself could be an indicator of a very secure and stable personality. He has pursued the goals and priorities he articulated in his campaign with degrees of intensity and actual success, only rarely seen in American politics, and has done so in the face of constant attacks on his policies (that's OK), and also his person and his family - challenges his predecessors didn't face to nearly the same degree.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 05:52 pm
@georgeob1,
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he articulated in his campaign with degrees of intensity and actual success, only rarely seen in American politics, and has done so in the face of constant attacks on his policies (that's OK), and also his person and his family - challenges his predecessors didn't face to nearly the same degree.

That is why some people, not me, are convinced he wears the armor of God. They feel the is no other way a man could stand the kind of abuse he does. As long as they vote for him, I do not care what they believe. But he is one thick skinned SOB.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 06:33 pm
@georgeob1,
Ah. Some progress then.
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Certainly Trump has endured in a situation involving weighty responsibilities, while beset with constant, often irrational and vicious opposition and criticism from media and political opponents, to a degree and intensity not seen here in a century. That itself could be an indicator of a very secure and stable personality.

Stalin endured for thirty years. Pablo Escobar for nearly as long. A bunch of Mafia dudes, longer than that. Secure, stable personalities?

So let's get real. I'm going to quote from DSM related material as regards indicators of the sociopath.
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What Are the DSM-5 Criteria and Features for Sociopath?

A medical professional will use the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder to help diagnose a sociopath. Currently, "Sociopath" does not have a separate entry in the DSM-5 and falls under the umbrella of Antisocial Personality Disorder. The following criteria are listed in the DSM 5 for a diagnosis of Antisocial Personality Disorder:

Significant Impairments in Personality Functioning

Impairments in personality functioning can be identified by several factors.

-Identity: Ego-centrism; self-esteem derived from personal gain, power, or pleasure.
-Self-direction: Goal-setting based on personal gratification. In other words, having little-to-no regard for social standards, such as obeying the lawful or reasonable ethical behavior.

Impairments in interpersonal functioning can include the following:

-Empathy: Lack of concern for feelings, needs, or suffering of others. Lack of remorse after hurting or mistreating another.
-Intimacy: Incapable of mutually intimate relationships, as exploitation is a primary means of relating to others. This is normally recognized by deceitful behavior or intimidation to control others.

Pathological Personality Traits in the Following Domains

Antagonism can be characterized by the following.

-Manipulation: Frequent use of subterfuge to influence or control others; use of seduction, charm, glibness, or ingratiation to achieve one's ends.
-Deceitfulness: Dishonesty and fraudulence; misrepresentations of self; in other words, stretching the truth when relating events.
-Callousness: Lack of concern for feelings or problems of others; lack of guilt or remorse about the negative or harmful effects of one's own actions on others; aggression; sadism.
-Hostility: Persistent or frequent angry feelings; anger or irritability in response to minor slights and insults; inconsiderate, spiteful, or vengeful.
more here

Perhaps you have an acquaintance with good psychiatric credentials whom you respect and whom is not particularly political. Why not run this question past him or her?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 06:38 pm
@blatham,
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Stalin endured for thirty years. Pablo Escobar for nearly as long. A bunch of Mafia dudes, longer than that. Secure, stable personalities?

Everyone of those had people killed to stay in power, foreign and domestic, even family. Try again. Trump's performance is more important than his personality. Hell, even the voters you despise know that.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:04 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Ah. Some progress then.
Quote:
Certainly Trump has endured in a situation involving weighty responsibilities, while beset with constant, often irrational and vicious opposition and criticism from media and political opponents, to a degree and intensity not seen here in a century. That itself could be an indicator of a very secure and stable personality.

Stalin endured for thirty years. Pablo Escobar for nearly as long. A bunch of Mafia dudes, longer than that. Secure, stable personalities?


Neither Stalin nor Escobar tolerated criticism, dissent or opposition in any form from anyone on their associations or audiences. Instead they had their critics killed. Your metaphor is wildly inapplicable.

As to your remote "diagnosis" of sociopathy, I disagree. Trump has indeed demonstrated a good deal of empathy and has done so while avoiding any pandering to established and politically influential groups. His empathy however has been directed to currently unfashionable segments of our population - self-sufficient, and often religious, people who believe in the worth and rights of individuals (as opposed to groups) and who value their individual freedoms in the face of a progressive movement that would restrict them in favor of their own concepts of what constitutes the public good, and which considers itself to represent a self-appointed class of elite citizens who alone know what's good for everyone else.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:04 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Redbubble are doing quite a brisk trade in T shirts.

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.524101545.0964/gptr,1400x,front,black-c,313,133,750,1000-bg,f8f8f8.jpg

http://www.redbubble.com/people/scwetc/works/30640964-sardar-qasem-soleimani

I've often thought that I could probably make a lot of money by writing a book filled with legal-sounding nonsense that claims to be proof that Mr. Trump has committed horrible crimes. I could probably get a lot of progressives to fork over $20 for the book.

Anything that makes progressives poorer and me richer has to be a good thing.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:06 pm
@hightor,
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The assassination was the boldest U.S. act in confronting Iran since the 1979 revolution, tantamount to an act of war.

It's about time we stood up to Iran and defended ourselves. Well done Mr. Trump.


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In 2018, Suleimani famously responded to the warning that Trump issued to the Iranian President, Hassan Rouhani. Trump, after a weekend at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, tweeted, "NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH." Suleimani belittled Trump. "It is beneath the dignity of our President to respond to you," he said, in a speech. "We are near you, where you can't even imagine. We are ready. We are the man of this arena."

I guess Iran should have heeded Mr. Trump's warning.

I wonder if North Korea will learn any lessons from this.
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snood
 
  5  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:16 pm
Trump: "I will end the endless wars."

MAGA: "Boo, wars!"

Trump: "I assassinated the top general in Iran."

MAGA: "Yay, wars!"

Trump: "I will bring the troops home."

MAGA: "Yay! Bring them home!"

Trump: "I'm sending more troops to the Middle East."

MAGA: "Yay! Go Troops!"
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:24 pm
@snood,
Bring the troops home. Nuke the bad guys from orbit.

Note that my use of the phrase "nuke them from orbit" is just meant to convey the concept of heavy bombardment from a safe distance. It isn't a suggestion that we use nuclear weapons.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:26 pm
@snood,
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MAGA: "Yay! Go Troops!"

Got to support the troops. Was anyone yelling "send pallets of cash"?
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coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 07:53 pm
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General David Petraeus: Trump administration 'impressively handled' strike on Iranian terrorist

The General Obama prosecuted.
Quote:
"Well, I think that this particular episode has been fairly impressively handled," Patraeus responded.
It was 'more substantial than the killing of Osama bin Laden'

Petraeus also noted that the killing of Soleimani has greater implications than U.S. operation that led to the death of terrorist Osama bin Laden.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/patraeus_praises_trump_iranian_terrorist?utm_content=buffer745ac&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=tw-theblaze
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 08:58 pm
Nobody is allowed to spread propaganda but us. Isn't that is what the NYT is saying? Or is it no one has the right to disagree with us. Either way the paper is garbage and has 0 credibility in anything political.
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New York Times frets that PragerU is using YouTube to ‘circumvent’ professors — and parents

Quote:
It seems the New York Times, always on the lookout for independent media outlets gaining popularity, has sniffed out PragerU and warned that it uses YouTube as a platform to circumvent professors and even parents. Where would the Times get the idea that a conservative YouTube series would need to “circumvent” university professors anyway?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/01/04/new-york-times-frets-that-prageru-is-using-youtube-to-circumvent-professors-and-parents/
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 4 Jan, 2020 09:34 pm
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Lessons in thought policing – tweet about @realDonaldTrump, get shutoff by Twitter

Quote:
I’ve had a Twitter account since September 2009. I’ve made over 28,600 Tweets in that over 10 years time. Not once have I ever been shutoff…until yesterday, when I made my very first retweet of a Trump retweet of WUWT made in 2013.

This is fascism. Twitter is run by fascists. The social media mob in all its glory.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/04/lessons-in-thought-policing-tweet-about-realdonaldtrump-get-shutoff-by-twitter/
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hightor
 
  1  
Sun 5 Jan, 2020 04:45 am
Rand Paul Slams Trump Over Airstrike: 'If You Don't Want Perpetual War, You Don't Keep Sending More Targets'
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 5 Jan, 2020 05:21 am
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but during the second Gulf War there was a lot of talk about taking out Saddam Hussein. They didn't do it because attacking heads of state and their lieutenants is against international law.

Regardless of what people say about Soleimani, he was an army officer serving the legit6imate government of the day. He wasn't some shadowy figure like Bin Laden or other jihadist leaders. Now I'm sure the usual idiots will argue the toss about whether or not he was a terrorist but that misses the point.

Trump has crossed a line, a line even Dubya was too smart to cross. What it means is that restraints no longer apply, Trump is now a legitimate target as are his family members and business interests, cabinet members, political appointees and ordinary Americans.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 5 Jan, 2020 05:49 am
Opinion piece by Jeremy Bowen the BBC's Middle east correspondent.

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The assassination of Qasem Soleimani has plunged Iran and the United States into their most serious confrontation since the hostage crisis in 1979.

President Donald Trump's decision to kill Soleimani removes one of the most obdurate and effective enemies of the US, and delivers a blow to the heart of the Islamic republic of Iran. It is also a dangerous escalation in a region that was already tense and full of violence.

The killing at Baghdad airport has increased tensions sharply, creating fears of a slide into an all-out war. That is no certainty. Neither the Americans nor the Iranians want one. But the crisis brought on by the killing of Soleimani - and a senior Iraqi ally - amplifies the chances of a bloody miscalculation.

Iran has sworn vengeance. That threat has to be taken seriously. Soleimani was at the core of the regime, and a talisman for Iran's hardliners. They will want to get even, perhaps more than that.

Despite arms embargoes, Iran has developed a modern arsenal of rockets and missiles. But if it wanted to use them against US forces as part of a reprisal, Iran would risk making matters worse.

An act of war to answer that of the US - for example attacking US ships in the Gulf - would risk provoking a devastating response. Iran's oil refineries are on the coast and would be easy targets for the vast firepower the US has in and around the Gulf.

When Iran retaliates, it is likely to follow Soleimani's own indirect tactics: so-called asymmetric warfare, spurning an attack through the front door for one through a side window.

Soleimani cultivated a range of well-armed militias, which give Iran options short of a head-to-head confrontation with the Americans which it would only lose.

The Americans will now be looking at their most vulnerable deployments in the Middle East. One is the small force in Syria.

A big question is why the Americans chose now to kill Soleimani.

He had been a thorn in their sides since at least the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. He made sure Iraqi Shias raised, trained and equipped militias which became effective and ruthless fighters against the US and its allies.

The Americans and their allies in Israel and the West have tracked Soleimani closely for years. It's likely that he has been in their sights before.

The fact that this time the Americans pulled the trigger suggests that President Trump believes the reward is worth the risk, that the Iranian regime has been so weakened by isolation, economic sanctions and recent demonstrations that it will rage but not offer a serious strategic threat.

But it is not at all clear whether the assassination fits into a coherent US strategy, and such an assumption could be dangerous and wrong.

Soleimani was a colossal figure inside Iran. He was its strategic mastermind. Perhaps he left a plan of steps to take if he were killed.

This assassination at the start of a new year and a new decade might turn into another Middle Eastern milestone, touching off another sequence of bloody events.

To begin with, the Iranian regime must now be planning its answer to his death, to show that the position Soleimani spent so long creating outside its borders in the Middle East can be defended.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50987333
snood
 
  2  
Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:37 am
Colin Powell: Republicans need to “get a grip” and stand up to Trump.

https://time.com/5693929/colin-powell-republican-party-trump/
revelette3
 
  0  
Sun 5 Jan, 2020 08:49 am
@izzythepush,
According to NYT, Trump became angry watching the protestors storm the US embassy in Iraq.

As Tensions With Iran Escalated, Trump Opted for Most Extreme Measure
 

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