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Olivier5
 
  4  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 04:19 am
@oralloy,
Of course you are Nazis, but fragile, soft and delicate Nazis. That's what's funny.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 04:22 am
@Olivier5,
No we aren't. Nazis hate Israel. We strongly support Israel.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 04:30 am
@oralloy,
Actually, there was a Nazi plan to establish a state for European Jews, but it was scrapped in favor of the "final solution". They considered Madagascar I think.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 04:42 am
@Olivier5,
Looks like an attempted terror attack at The Louvre. Police shot and disabled the purported terrorist before any serious harm was done though.
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 05:44 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
They considered Madagascar I think.

Uganda
Olivier5
 
  4  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 06:17 am
@hightor,
Karamoja/Uganda was a different proposal. The Nazis had Madagascar in mind:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 06:20 am
@oralloy,
Yep... we're getting used to it.
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 06:37 am
Good piece by Alec McGillis at the Times today:

"Can the Democrats be as Stubborn as Mitch McConnell"

He correctly notes a key dilemma:
Quote:
Can Democrats, who are more philosophically invested in showing that government can function, really bring themselves to replicate Mr. McConnell’s obstructionist methods?
So that perhaps points to a better question: Can the Democrats be as destructive as McConnell?

and some history:
Quote:
Recall that in the summer of 2009 Mr. McConnell allowed three Republicans, led by Chuck Grassley of Iowa, to spend months meeting with three Democratic counterparts on health care reform. The negotiations came to naught, allowing Mr. McConnell to claim that his party’s eventual monolithic vote against the Affordable Care Act came only after the Democrats’ refusal to move off their “far left” proposal.

The meetings also dragged out debate around the bill, helping sour the public on the legislation. As Robert F. Bennett, then a Utah senator and close McConnell ally, who died last year, told me of Mr. McConnell in early 2014: “He said, ‘Our strategy is to delay this sucker as long as we possibly can, and the longer we delay it the worse the president looks: Why can’t he get it done?’ ” He remembered the party leader’s promise to “delay it, delay it, delay it as long as we can.” The main lesson: “Every time something would come up, he would find a way to delay it.”


McGillis notes that Norm Orstein had previously thought the Dems should not operate in this way but Norm isn't thinking that way any longer:
Quote:
“We don’t have a conventional president,” he said. “We’re seeing behavior that could lead us right down the path to martial law or authoritarian rule. These are dangerous times, and you have to think through your strategy in that context.” For Democrats, using “leverage to pull us back from the brink of something that shatters our fundamental system is now in order.”
NYT



blatham
 
  6  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 06:46 am
Krugman gives thanks where due
Quote:
what we’re hearing sounds like a man who is out of his depth and out of control, who can’t even pretend to master his feelings of personal insecurity. His first two weeks in office have been utter chaos, and things just keep getting worse — perhaps because he responds to each debacle with a desperate attempt to change the subject that only leads to a fresh debacle.

America and the world can’t take much more of this. Think about it: If you had an employee behaving this way, you’d immediately remove him from any position of responsibility and strongly suggest that he seek counseling. And this guy is commander in chief of the world’s most powerful military.

Thanks, Comey.
NYT
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 06:55 am
Quote:
President Trump has been in office for barely two weeks, but Congress is already in diplomatic damage control.

Senators are huddling in meetings or on embarrassing phone calls with ambassadors of major allies, assuring them that, yes, America is still their friend.
NYT
I think that's probably an assurance that the world leaders on the other end of the line would presume to be correct. But on the other hand, if Ryan or whomever were to insist that their president is actually sane, that would be tougher.
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Frugal1
 
  -4  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 06:58 am
The obstacles we face.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3rNwfWXUAIuQQx.jpg:large
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:01 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Can Democrats, who are more philosophically invested in showing that government can function, really bring themselves to replicate Mr. McConnell’s obstructionist methods?

The Democrats lack the power to do any such thing.

Any Senate procedure that the Democrats attempt to use to block Mr. Trump's agenda will be immediately abolished by the Republicans.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:02 am
@blatham,
Quote:
what we’re hearing sounds like a man who is out of his depth and out of control, who can’t even pretend to master his feelings of personal insecurity.

Translation: The Democrats disagree with Mr. Trump's positions.


Quote:
His first two weeks in office have been utter chaos, and things just keep getting worse — perhaps because he responds to each debacle with a desperate attempt to change the subject that only leads to a fresh debacle.

Translation: Mr. Trump keeps doing things that Democrats don't like.


Quote:
America and the world can’t take much more of this.

Translation: The Democrats are sad and they feel like crying.


Quote:
Think about it: If you had an employee behaving this way, you’d immediately remove him from any position of responsibility and strongly suggest that he seek counseling.

Translation: The Democrats wish they had the power to fire people who they disagree with.
revelette1
 
  2  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:15 am
Turns out there is some question on whether Obama approved the raid or not.

Quote:
Members of Mr. Obama’s national security team pushed back Thursday at Mr. Spicer’s description of how the former president had set the stage for the decision. They said the attack had not been approved by Mr. Obama, and that materials left for the Trump team emphasized considerable risks.

“Not what happened,” Colin Kahl, the national security adviser to former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., wrote on Twitter after Mr. Spicer’s briefing.

Mr. Kahl’s colleagues said that Lisa Monaco, Mr. Obama’s homeland security adviser, told the national security staff in early January that Mr. Obama was not prepared to approve the concept for the raid.


source

Frugal1
 
  -3  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:17 am

Bernie Sanders says Trump's immigration ban gives recruitment ammunition to ISIS. Unlike Obama who gave actual weapons & ammunition to ISIS.

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Lash
 
  1  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:18 am
@layman,
This is filled with accuracies. I've seen tweets and videos from Cal Berkeley students talking about their professor's statements and participation in the riots. At least one professor actually said "burn it down" and verbally incited violence against Trump and Milo supporters.

They must be charged.
hightor
 
  1  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:19 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
The Nazis had Madagascar in mind

Thanks
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:20 am
Trump and Bannon making real headway in the direction of worldwide chaos. Two geniuses right there in the white house.
Quote:
European leaders are now watching the Trump administration with increasing alarm, fearful that the United States could be the biggest threat yet to a bloc already mired in discord.

...The concerns have spiked to the point where European Council President Donald Tusk listed the United States alongside terrorism, Russia and China as threats to the European Union in a letter to European leaders this week laying the groundwork for the summit.
WP
Completely normal. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
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hightor
 
  5  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:22 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3b5AIvWYAILPVR.jpg
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 3 Feb, 2017 07:22 am
@revelette1,
Trump and Spicer would never lie. No evidence of such a thing in the past. Very truthful men. Maybe the most truthful men to have ever walked this earth except, perhaps, for Jesus. It's a toss up.
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