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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 05:01 am
@Builder,
Nope, the politicized Trump DOJ are the malefactors. Lock him up, as World Series fans chanred.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 05:01 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Either welcome political comments from outsiders or don’t.
Or, admit bias.
Well, if the interference in the UK election just is a comment, and the president of the U.S.A. is an outsider ...

But I doubt, you really can compare izzy to him (or to Farage).
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 05:23 am
Digby quotes the NYT
Quote:
Right after the House voted today, I asked my colleague Carl Hulse, who covered the Clinton impeachment, what his first thought was about this vote compared to the one he covered in 1998. Here’s what he told me:
Quote:
“The vote today underscored the deep and new kind of polarization in Washington. Back then, 31 Democrats broke with the president, and Bill Clinton was happy about that! He thought it’d be more. Now, no one broke. That’s how much things have changed. If 31 people broke with Mr. Trump, we’d be proclaiming him dead. It would feel like a political apocalypse. Today, it was a rock solid party line.”
And Digby adds:
Quote:
A rock solid party line. For Donald ******* Trump.


Her point - Trump isn't the real problem. Trump wouldn't be anywhere near the White House if the Republican Party had not already become a near-totally amoral and power-hungry entity more than willing to use him for their own degraded and anti-democratic ends. This is why Barr is behaving as he is. It's why McConnell has behaved as he has. It's why the vote noted above has happened.

Getting Trump out of office is absolutely of the greatest importance, of course. But it would be a disastrous error to imagine that Trump is the foundational problem. He isn't. It is the modern GOP. When Trump is gone, they'll still be who they have become and eager to find another as bad as or worse than Trump.


Lash
 
  1  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 05:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes, comments about taking one side if a political issue in another country IS interference, and an American president IS an outsider to Britain.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 06:00 am
Voices From The Right, episode huge number
Max Boot
Quote:
@MaxBoot
Trump is further undermining Ukraine by spreading the crazy conspiracy theory that it, not Russia, was behind the 2016 election hacking. Is this something that Putin told Trump in one of their top-secret conversations? I bet it is.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 06:21 am
Quote:
Karen Travers
@karentravers
@ABC
News/Wash Post poll:

Americans split essentially evenly on impeaching Pres Trump & removing him from office.
-49% say should, 47% say should not

-Trump is at a career low job approval among Republicans, 74%. Down from high of 87% in July.

-overall job approval 38%
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 06:37 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1189665575087362049/eNGxPIBZ?format=png&name=900x900

Image from court nominee Lawrence VanDyke's hearing. The woman to the left is his wife. That seating is intentional and is established by camera angle.

The first time I noticed this particular bit of agitprop was during Alito's confirmation hearing where Mrs Alito was likewise seated in relation to the camera's position. Here she is aghast and crying because the Dems were being so mean and injust to her poor husband

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/kpn/kpn4pl-12alitolg.jpg?w=535

And here's the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing. Guess who's on the left.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/09/28/12/brett-kavanaugh-hearing-main.jpg


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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 06:38 am
@blatham,
Mitch is every bit as bad as Trump, as are many other Republicans. Most will be here after Trump leaves the stage.
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 06:43 am
@edgarblythe,
Yes. And all of the modern GOP/conservative machinery driving the party. And, of course, Fox.
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 07:12 am
A "fireside chat" you won't be hearing
Quote:
President Trump is mulling a new line of defense against the ongoing impeachment inquiry into his actions with Ukraine: embodying FDR.

During an interview with the Washington Examiner on Thursday, just after the House voted to approve the impeachment inquiry process, Trump said he wanted to convince the American people that he did nothing wrong by performing a play on Franklin D. Roosevelt’s “fireside chat.” He told the Washington Examiner he believes if he just read the transcript — the White House’s version of a call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — in public, people would be on his side.

“This is over a phone call that is a good call,” Trump told the Examiner on Thursday. “At some point, I’m going to sit down, perhaps as a fireside chat on live television, and I will read the transcript of the call, because people have to hear it. When you read it, it’s a straight call.”

Trump also alluded to a fight-back campaign to convince the general public that he’s in the right, which would include t-shirts with the slogan “Read the transcript” emblazoned on them. Trump also maintained his innocence and argued to the Examiner that other past presidents who have faced impeachment were clearly in the wrong.

“Everybody knows I did nothing wrong,” he said. “Bill Clinton did things wrong; Richard Nixon did things wrong. I won’t go back to [Andrew] Johnson because that was a little before my time,” he said. “But they did things wrong. I did nothing wrong.”
TPM

What's going on here is a shift in strategy. As the evidence of a clear quid pro quo mounts with every or nearly every witness to the call confirming it, Trump and his allies are shifting over to a strategy that disregards all of that testimony. The hope is that the base can be conned by continual insistence that the call was innocent - "to prove it's innocent, I'll read it out loud".

But the problem of course is that the call wasn't innocent. So how does he pull that off? He'll just be putting more attention on the quid pro quo.

On the other hand, t-shirts emblazoned with "Read The Transcript" might well be produced and distributed for campaign events. That's all that's needed for his base. They'll wear them and proclaim the transcript proves innocence even though none of them will have read the transcript themselves or will have been "guided" through the text by Hannity.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 07:20 am
@Lash,
You said that you wanted Corbyn and Sanders to appear together.

I said it would be a bad idea, Sanders is not known over here, and those who do know him think he's a loser.

I canvass for Labour in the UK. I do know what I'm talking about.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 07:22 am
@Lash,
What the **** are you talking about?

I've made it perfectly clear I'm a Socialist who's anti Brexit.

Of course I'm biased, but this is my ******* country, not yours.
revelette3
 
  4  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 08:24 am
@blatham,
What is more maddening, the transcript ain't a transcript at all, but cobbled together rough transcript written down. The true transcript is in a vault where no one can read it. (surely somehow or another that true transcript can be read?)

However, I understand, the same crowd of "lock her up" idiots are going to be employed this time around in "read the transcript." Short and sweet and misleading. Bound to work, did before. Gawd, depressing. (speaking in Trump's tweet language)
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revelette3
 
  1  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 08:25 am
@izzythepush,
Smile

Not meaning to offend and I support what you are saying. However, this line of defense is a little ironic and if I know lash, she'll pick up on it sooner or later.

I actually understand why those who are not Americans actually living in America are very interested in our politics. I don't know how much longer it will last, but it used to be anyway, what we do or our government does, effects more than us. Plus it seems more people understand us than we understand them and their foreign governments and events.

Edit: scrolling up, I see she already has.
revelette3
 
  4  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 09:39 am
Quote:
MOSCOW (AP) — A senior Russian diplomat says Moscow and Washington are running out of time to extend the last remaining nuclear arms control treaty.

Vladimir Leontyev, deputy head of the Russian Foreign Ministry's arms control department, said Friday that "it's clear that we won't be able to produce a full-fledged replacement" to the New START treaty that expires in 2021. He said that Russia-U.S. talks over the past year have shown that "there are issues that require very serious examination on expert level."

Leontyev said Russia's prospective Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile and Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle fall under the pact, but other new weapons announced by President Vladimir Putin don't, including the Poseidon nuclear-armed underwater drone, the Burevestnik nuclear-powered cruise missile and the Kinzhal hypersonic missile.

He said the U.S. sees things differently, raising the need for new, complex talks..


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-time-left-to-extend-key-us-russia-arms-treaty-diplomat/ar-AAJGi4t?ocid=spartandhp
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 10:29 am
@revelette3,
I'm sure she will, but her advice has not been good so far.

Most people over here haven't heard of Sanders, and I think most Americans would be unable to name our prominent politicians.

Those who have heard of Sanders associate him with losing to Mrs Clinton, and Corbyn doesn't need to associate himself with a loser.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 11:20 am
Yesterday I noted that prosperity gospel evangelist Paul White was joining the administration. I noted she was worth some $5 million and described her as a typical con artist of this genre. Steve Benen writes on her today:
Quote:
...The New York Times’ report on this noted that White has “a large following among Christians who believe in the ‘prosperity gospel,’ which teaches that God blesses people he deems to be of strong faith with wealth, good health and other gifts.”

The same article added that many other Christians consider the “prosperity gospel” to be “heresy.”

As is always the case in instances like these, I took a look at Right Wing Watch’s archive, which has quite a few interesting reports related to Paula White, including a recent item in which the televangelist told her viewers that they had to support her ministry, even if they’re struggling, or God would kill their dreams.

She didn’t appear to be kidding.

That was just two weeks ago. The same week, White told viewers that some states have “already passed” laws declaring the Christian Bible as “hate speech,” which is why America needs Trump’s judicial nominees to be confirmed. (There are no such state laws.)

The Hill also noted that White delivered an opening prayer before the president’s re-election campaign kickoff in Orlando in June, saying “demonic networks” have aligned themselves against Trump and vowing that the president “will overcome every strategy from hell and every strategy from the enemy.”

It’s not yet clear exactly what White’s title will be at the Office of Public Liaison – which is described as “the primary line of communication between the White House and the public” – or whether she intends to accept a taxpayer-funded salary.
Here

When my ex and I moved down to Dallas, we rented a house from a prosperity gospel believer who was a friend of ex's daughter. Nice enough lady but a bit emotionally ragged around the edges. I overheard her in conversation with the daughter one time where she said, "I just don't understand why I'm not rich. I pray every day."

The scam that White is running (bolded) has been a commonplace in right wing southern christianity for a long time though her version is particularly vile. Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson and many others have done the same sort of thing - "If you send me money to do God's work - even if you have almost nothing - God will know and you will be rewarded. And if you don't support our ministry, the Devil will come for all of us and he's so very very close right now".

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BillW
 
  2  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 01:37 pm
@blatham,
Unfortunately!
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BillW
 
  3  
Fri 1 Nov, 2019 01:44 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

A "fireside chat" you won't be hearing
.................
But the problem of course is that the call wasn't innocent. So how does he pull that off? He'll just be putting more attention on the quid pro quo.
................


tRump would just skip parts he needed to and change other bits and pieces, of course.
 

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