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blatham
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:02 am
@Olivier5,
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"Fine with you" in the sense that you believe nothing much can be done about this oligarchy, we just have to live with it and accept, in your view.

Or if not, what do you think we could / should do about it?

Some degree of it is fine with me, yes. Because it is inevitable. I know of no historical example where those with wealth did not have some greater degree of power and influence in the community. Even in 5th century BC Athens, there were families who tended to dominate the culture.

What to do when things begin to tilt over into too much of this bad thing? What we've always done to decrease the power and influence of those who would prefer to dominate others - we organize and establish or support the institutions built up that protect us from the social carnivores and that aid in the bettering of a maximal number of citizens' lives. We work to identify who's ******* things up and then seek to reduce their influence. We try not to get apathetic. We try to find promising leaders. We get ourselves educated.
Frugal1
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:05 am
The new California flag.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3qj3QSVUAAx7-8.jpg
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layman
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:06 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

No apology needed. Being judgmental is being human. We all are.


I don't know, Ollie. These cheese-eaters demand that no one use judgment, and they seem to be pretty effective at adhering to their own dictates on that score.
blatham
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:09 am
There are a lot of Trump appointments that horrify me. Justice is one but Education is second on my list.
Quote:
Eli Broad, a billionaire philanthropist from California and major backer of charter schools, is urging senators to oppose the nomination of Betsy DeVos as education secretary, saying that she is unqualified for the job.

“At the risk of stating the obvious, we must have a Secretary of Education who believes in public education and the need to keep public schools public,” Broad wrote in a letter Wednesday to Sens. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.).

“With Betsy DeVos at the helm of the U.S. Department of Education, much of the good work that has been accomplished to improve public education for all of America’s children could be undone.”
WP
DeVos is the shakiest nominee and I'm not sure if she'll be stopped but I really can't imagine a worse person at the top of this incredibly important position.
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hightor
 
  5  
Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:09 am
I can just see the reaction if it had been Obama (or either Clinton) who gave the order:
US military officials: Trump-ordered raid in Yemen that killed US Navy SEAL was approved 'without sufficient intelligence'
Olivier5
 
  5  
Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:11 am
@layman,
Yeah but the ****-eaters are even worse: they criticized Obama at every step for 8 long years and then they get all miffed when their beloved orang utang gets criticized... "Why don't you give us a chance?" they cry.

Poor, poor little ****-eaters.
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blatham
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:12 am
@hightor,
No kidding
blatham
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:14 am
Off topic but this is promising
Quote:
Scientist cracks mystery of the frog’s powerful tongue. It’s called spit.
Washington Post

Now, if this team can get working on my Aunt Agnes' farts, god only knows what scientific benefits might accrue.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:15 am
@hightor,
Remember when BHO sold out Seal Team 6, the media ignored
their deaths... they continue to ignore their Obama caused deaths.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/10360829_1011382635542691_2252072278470157245_n.jpg?oh=a9e8ca51b3b9c41357fae47da46ce948&oe=594A349E
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blatham
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:21 am
Make the world really fucked up again!
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The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East.

Those are the views – nine months ago at least – of one of the most powerful men in Donald Trump’s administration, Steve Bannon,
Guardian

How much does this madman scare me?
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:23 am
@blatham,
My god. Someone down-voted a fart joke. Now there's evidence of the collapse of western civ.
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Frugal1
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:23 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Make the world really fucked up again!


That's all we every get from liberal progressive democrats... thank God they got their collectives asses kicked.
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hightor
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:26 am
@revelette1,
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I think it might take a decade to get out from underneath the stomping we got and some of it we caused ourselves (Reids nuclear option...)

I don't think that was as much of a blunder as you do. It allowed scores of judges to be confirmed, liberal judges who will be on the bench for a long time. It'll be interesting to see if the Senate decides to adopt a simple majority of Supreme Court nominations.

As I said yesterday, I believe the Dems' biggest mistake was anointing Hilary as "heir apparent" and basically kicking back for eight years because we had a superstar in the WH.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:28 am
@blatham,
Now you're talking. You see? There's no need to rebut everything I say. You ARE fine with a degree of oligarchy. Own it. Don't get lost in the details.

Trump is the epitome of oligarchy. His cabinet is replete with them. And HRC wasn't markdly better on that front. She was an aspiring oligarch. Among the candidates, only Sanders had a clear, unambiguous message on this issue.

Of course I agree that all societies will forever remain unequal, and that the rich will forever have a greater say to some degree than the poor. But I see good reasons to fight against this tendency and certainly to fight against any worsening of the situation. Equal chances for all should be our goal IMO. Good quality public education is absolutely essential here, reason for which the right attacks and defunds it. The "dumbing down of America" is not just the passive result of demographics. It's part of what the rich have an interest to push for. Their kids can get the good education they can afford, and thus will have a big edge in getting the best jobs. That's how upward social mobility got weakened in the US. In my view this runs contrary to the public good.
layman
 
  -1  
Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:28 am
@hightor,
Well, OK, then!

Quote:
US Navy SEAL William "Ryan" Owens died in the raid on a branch of Al Qaeda, also known as AQAP, in al Bayda province, which the Pentagon said also killed 14 militants.

"Knowing that we killed an estimated 14 AQAP members and that we gathered an unbelievable amount of intelligence that will prevent the potential deaths or attacks on American soil — is something that I think most service members understand, that that's why they joined the service,” Spicer said.

The attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced Al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger-than-expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

The US officials said the extremists' base had been identified as a target before the Obama administration left office on January 20, but President Barack Obama held off approving a raid ahead of his departure.

A White House official said the operation was thoroughly vetted by the previous administration and the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said.

US Central Command said in a statement that an investigating team had "concluded regrettably that civilian noncombatants were likely killed" during Sunday's raid. It added that children may have been among the casualties.

Some of the women were firing at the US force, Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis told reporters.


Maybe these gun-totin women shouldn't bring their children to bases subject to U.S. attack, eh?

We take out 14 militants, 30 if you include their militant families, all heavily armed, and lose 1 man in this fierce gun battle. Now the cheese-eaters want to act like Trump went out and killed a guy walking down 5th Avenue, eh? Figures, sho nuff.
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blatham
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:29 am
I'm not sure if any of you are familiar with historian Corey Robin. I recommend you pay attention to him. The book he references here is extremely good. I'm linking this Guardian piece because Robin makes an argument countering something I said earlier (about the benefits of instituions in the US) and I don't have much of a rebuttal to what he says
Quote:
I recently expressed skepticism that Trump is installing fascism in America. Someone then asked me: what did I think was going to happen with Trump? I answered her as truthfully as I could: I don’t know. The fact is none of us knows. Not even, I suspect, Trump or Steve Bannon. That’s because our political situation is not a fixed or frozen force field; it’s changing every day. It also – crucially – depends in part on what we do.

Before I wrote my book on conservatism, I was a student of the politics of fear. My first book, which was based on more than a decade of research, was an analysis of how political theorists since Hobbes have understood the politics of fear. In the second part of the book, I offered my own counter-analysis of the politics of fear in the United States. Fear, American Style, I called it.

Here’s what I learned about it: the worst, most terrible things that the United States has done have almost never happened through an assault on American institutions; they’ve always happened through American institutions and practices.

These are the elements of the American polity that have offered especially potent tools and instruments of intimidation and coercion: federalism, the separation of powers, social pluralism and the rule of law.

All the elements of the American experience that liberals and conservatives have so cherished as bulwarks of American freedom have also been sources and instruments of political fear. In all the cases I looked at, coercion, intimidation, repression and violence were leveraged through these mechanisms, not in spite of them.
Guardian
blatham
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:33 am
@Olivier5,
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But I see good reasons to fight against this tendency and certainly to fight against any worsening of the situation.
That's a given.
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And HRC wasn't markdly better on that front. She was an aspiring oligarch.
That's your assertion. I don't share it.
Quote:
only Sanders had a clear, unambiguous message on this issue.
That's a marketing issue. And in terms of marketing, I agree.
glitterbag
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:39 am
@blatham,
As we speak, Donald Trump is once again on the tube as MSNBC carries his speech (sic) at the National Prayer Breakfast. Now he is complaining about how his phone calls are being characterized, he announces "don't worry about it", he's a strong leader, not like every other leader who was weak. It's the usual bizarre rambling, with comments "destroy our enemies (breathy pause for emphasis) who cut off heads, not right". "We can't risk taking in would be terrorists, (I think that's in reference to the 1,250 refugees currently waiting for sanctuary) not gonna happen on Captain Marvelous's watch.
It's only the second of February and I'm worried he will be the only show on TV, because as it stands, the cable channels can't seem to go more than 4 hours before airing footage of Trump, his tweets, his follow-up tweets, his Inauguration Day crowds, his record breaking win, Trump, Trump, Trump freaking Trump. But, I suppose this is what happens when a reality show celebrity assumes office, we are headed toward a cult of personality
like we have never seen before in this nation' history. Hang on to your hats.

Really folks, thumbing down a fart joke????? Didn't anybody else ever raise boys?
Frugal1
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:43 am
Thank God the United States has a President who denounces violent riots, unlike BHO who legitimized them for years.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 08:46 am
@blatham,
I disagree about where we disagree. For me, your tolerance or habit of oligarchy could be an important reason why you prefered HRC to Sanders, and my dislike of oligarchy is an important reason why I prefered Sanders to HRC. I'm more equalitarian than you are.
 

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