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hightor
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 02:56 am
@Baldimo,
‘Everything You’re Seeing Is Deception’: How Right-Wing Media Talks About Impeachment

The pro-Trump media has wasted no time constructing their own version of events about Ukraine.

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Mark Levin, the talk radio host who has been one of President Trump’s most ardent defenders, tried to offer his listeners some reassurance this week as they processed the dizzying developments in Washington. “There’s a lot of disinformation and misinformation,” he warned. “I’m here to help us walk through this and defend this nation against a tyranny in our midst.”

Rush Limbaugh cast himself in a similar light — part fact checker, part coach rallying the team at halftime. “You’re going to know everything you need to know about this latest faux scandal,” he promised, adding, “Everything you’re seeing is deception.”

Even Michael Savage, a conservative host who has been critical of the president at times, joined in circling the wagons. “There is a war going on right now,” he told his audience this week, adding, “They haven’t given up trying to destroy us.”

With the president facing an impeachment inquiry, and a whistle-blower report made public Thursday that raised new questions about whether he tried to cover up his efforts to enlist Ukraine’s help in discrediting a political rival, allies of the White House in the pro-Trump media wasted no time constructing their own version of events.

Their narrative omits key facts, like Mr. Trump’s entreaty to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky: “I would like you to do us a favor.” It portrays the president’s political opponents and the mainstream media as contemptible and corrupt persecutors, blinded by hatred and their failure to bring him down so far. “Russia, Russia, Russia. Racism, racism. And recession. And now it’s going to be Ukraine,” Jeanine Pirro, a friend and fierce defender of Mr. Trump said on the Fox Business channel.

Their words echo those of the president himself, who once declared, “What you are seeing and what you are reading is not what’s happening,” and beseeched his followers to “stick with us,” and not to believe what “you see from these people, the fake news.”

The potential political benefit is significant. Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Levin and Sean Hannity have a combined weekly radio audience of nearly 42 million listeners. Combined with the programming on Fox News and stories from Trump-friendly outlets like Rasmussen Reports, which publishes a daily tracking poll of the president’s approval ratings that is typically several percentage points higher than other surveys, the conservative media is wrapping Mr. Trump and his supporters in a security blanket of their own facts, data points and story lines about the Ukraine controversy.

“It’s victory at the expense of truth,” said Michael Harrison, the publisher of Talkers Magazine, which tracks the talk radio industry. The desire to win the argument and the election, he added, has resulted in media where “you don’t hear debate anymore; it’s just preaching to the choir.”

In the world of conservative media, Mr. Trump is a popular, unbeatable figure. In reality, his numbers in the Gallup presidential approval poll have never climbed above 46 percent (he is the first president never to reach 50 percent in their survey, which dates back to Harry Truman). His campaign’s internal numbers have shown him losing badly to former Vice President Joseph R. Biden in key battleground states. Mr. Trump has dismissed the numbers as “fake polls.”

A common defense from the right has been to flip the criticism and accuse liberals of fabricating their own reality. Mr. Levin, who has a Sunday evening Fox News show in addition to his daily radio show, said this week that Democrats and the mainstream media had created an “unreality” that was designed to “humiliate the president, to try and dispirit you, and to drag down his poll numbers and defeat him.”

The president’s media defenders often characterize the investigations and media coverage not merely as political attacks on Mr. Trump but as a culture war against people who support him.

Mr. Savage was one of Mr. Trump’s first talk radio boosters during his 2016 campaign. But he had been publicly doubting the president and criticizing him for failing to keep promises like building a wall on the southern border. The issue of impeachment has helped reignite Mr. Savage’s passions.

“It’s not about Trump is it?” he said on his show. “It’s about us. It’s about our love for America. It’s about our love for our own borders, language and culture.”

Richard Nixon played to similar “us versus them” grievances during the Watergate investigations and also blamed the media, which he said “hate my guts with a passion.” That approach helped keep a sizable chunk of Americans behind him even when he resigned. Roughly a quarter of Americans said at the time that Nixon’s conduct was not serious enough to warrant resignation, polls showed.

Nixon, of course, had nothing like the pro-Trump media to defend him. Talk radio in its current format, with its heavy tilt toward conservative provocateurs, did not develop until the 1990s. In Nixon’s day, cable news was still a few years away and the most popular hosts on the radio talked about subjects like extraterrestrial activity.

Mr. Trump’s allies repeatedly invoke the special counsel investigation into his campaign’s dealings with Russia during the 2016 election, which failed to produce the smoking gun-type revelations that many on the left had predicted. The president’s critics, they say, are once again engaging in a smear campaign to declare him guilty before all the evidence is out.

As Mr. Savage said on Wednesday, “He is already in the hay wagon on the way to the guillotine because of the fascist vermin in the media.”

They also appear to have learned an important lesson about how Mr. Trump and his attorney general, William P. Barr, managed the narrative of the release of the special counsel report: They are moving fast to tell the story on their terms. And that is a story in which Mr. Biden and his son Hunter Biden — not Mr. Trump — have covered up wrongdoing involving their Ukrainian interests.

Mr. Hannity, whose radio show each day begins with an announcer declaring that he is “Fighting the Trump-hating liberal media one day at a time,” called the Biden angle “the real story.”

Mr. Limbaugh told listeners, “Joe Biden may be the most corrupt politician in Washington bar none.” Then he offered a novel theory of the origins of the Ukraine-Trump investigations. “This effort going on here is actually a twofer,’’ he said. “It is designed by the Democrats to take out both Trump and Biden and clear the way for anybody else, probably Elizabeth Warren.”

Mr. Trump has also characterized the investigations as a Democratic conspiracy to weaken his standing, which he said is formidable. “Democrats feel they’re going to lose,” he said on Wednesday, pointing to Rasmussen numbers that had his approval rating at 53 percent, which he insisted was too low. “They say you could add ten to it. A lot of people say you can add more than ten to it,” Mr. Trump said.

On Fox Business this week, Ms. Pirro made a similar point. Democrats, she said, were going to “shoot themselves in the foot and he’s going to win in 2020, and that’s the end of that chapter.”

Lou Dobbs, another friend of the president’s and Fox host, smiled and agreed. “That’s a pretty good chapter for America if he does indeed. And he will.”

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You're going to see a lot of this "alternative reality" trotted out in the months ahead. Anytime you hear someone refer to "the Steele Dossier and the Russian Treason scam" in the same breath you know you're dealing with someone who's on a mission of disinformation.
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 07:31 am
@hightor,
The New Yorker revealed its cover art for next week’s magazine, which depicts Trump and his personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani as mobsters throwing Uncle Sam off a bridge to his death.

https://i.imgur.com/b4LYhy4.jpg
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revelette1
 
  5  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 07:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Great cover magazine.

None of this should surprise us about Trump and his disregard for our nation's laws. He has made a career out of using unlawful means to enrich himself and he has always gotten away with it.

What is more depressing is his defenders. Trump is not even denying he did it, in fact he said, so what if I did?

The real irony is Trump using a server which is supposed to be only used for top secret security intelligence information to hide political or personal information.

I don't care if the Senate in the end does not remove him from office. I don't care how impeachment might effect democrats chances in 2020. I don't care about right wing stupid defenses of Trump and die hard Trump defenders. Let the facts come out, let congress do it's duty. In the end have a vote, up or down, for impeachment on the matter of Ukraine where he clearly broke the law out of his own mouth.
Builder
 
  -2  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 08:14 am
@revelette1,
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Trump is not even denying he did it, in fact he said, so what if I did?


He's all over it.
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revelette1
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 10:49 am
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More than 300 former officials call Trump’s actions concerning Ukraine ‘profound national security concern’

More than 300 former U.S. national security and foreign policy officials have signed a statement warning that President Trump’s actions regarding Ukraine are a “profound national security concern” and supporting an impeachment inquiry by Congress to determine “the facts.”

“To be clear, we do not wish to prejudge the totality of the facts or Congress’ deliberative process,” said the statement, released Friday. “At the same time, there is no escaping that what we already know is serious enough to merit impeachment proceedings.”

The collection of signatures was set in motion by National Security Action, an organization founded and largely populated by officials from the Obama administration to call attention to Trump’s “reckless leadership.”

Many of the signers are former Obama officials. But the list includes others who served as career officials in both Democratic and Republican administrations, including Matthew Olsen, head of the Justice Department’s national security division under President George W. Bush and director of the National Counterterrorism Center under President Barack Obama.

Career diplomats also include William Burns, former assistant secretary of state for Near East affairs, undersecretary for policy and ambassador to Russia under Bush, and deputy secretary under Obama; Nancy McEldowney, former Bush ambassador to Bulgaria and deputy chief of mission to Turkey; and Jeffrey Feltman, who served in senior State Department positions beginning in the George H.W. Bush administration and for nearly six years as undersecretary general at the United Nations until his 2018 retirement.

Former officials from the intelligence community, the Defense Department, the National Security Council and the Department of Homeland Security also signed the statement.

“As national security professionals, many of us have long been concerned with President Trump’s actions and their implications for our safety and security,” the statement said. “Some of us have spoken out, but many of us have eschewed politics throughout our careers and, as a result, have not weighed in publicly.

“The revelations of recent days, however, demand a response,” it said. “. . . President Trump appears to have leveraged the authority and resources of the highest office in the land to invite additional foreign interference into our democratic processes.”

The statement continued: “If we fail to speak up — and act — now our foreign policy and national security will officially be on offer to those who can most effectively fulfill the President’s personal prerogatives.”




https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/nearly-300-former-officials-call-trumps-actions-concerning-ukraine-profound-national-security-concern/2019/09/27/254c09ac-e09e-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html
Baldimo
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 11:01 am
@revelette1,
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The collection of signatures was set in motion by National Security Action, an organization founded and largely populated by officials from the Obama administration to call attention to Trump’s “reckless leadership.”

That should tell you all you need to know about this letter. An organization largely populated by former Obama officials thinks Trump did something wrong... It's a nothing burger from the Deep State. The whistle blower was also likely a Obama guy as well, who has a political axe to grind because Hillary didn't win. The left is so afraid that Trump will win again that they are pulling out all Deep State stops. They don't want a fair election, they want their person to win, at all costs to the US govt.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 11:22 am
@Baldimo,
It is an interesting situation indeed. My impression is the Democrat leaders are so taken up with their Trump loathing that they may have lost some of their ability to view the situation as many others do. We saw the effects in the last election of many underground Trump voters who weren't detected at all in the polls until the final days, and even then the Trump votes were higher than forecast. Now with the ascendency of the "new left" zealots in the party they run the risk of alienating even more voters - even as their zealotry rises and their willingness to detect opposing points of view declines.
MontereyJack
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 11:38 am
@Baldimo,
That's right wing conspiracy theory nonsense. Trump the poll obsessesd is so afraid he'l lose he's wasting no time in doing some colluding, provable this time, by dangling a carrot in front of a foreign power to do some dirty work for his campaign in order to receive an aid package he cancelled for no reason that they need to defend themselves against Russian aggression. And then clumsily trying to cover his track. It's high crimes and misdemeanors time and tryump is in it up to his lardy ass. Lock him up now. He's a disgrace to the country, as he has amply proved over the last 2 1/2 years. People op[pose him with good reason.
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Baldimo
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 11:40 am
@georgeob1,
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Now with the ascendency of the "new left" zealots in the party they run the risk of alienating even more voters - even as their zealotry rises and their willingness to detect opposing points of view declines.

The left is hoping that people's hate of Trump, which is typically isolated to the left-wing fringe, will be enough for them to ignore the push for socialism by the current string of left-wing extremists.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 11:52 am
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Ukraine's former Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin has categorically rejected claims by Donald Trump concerning Mr Trump's Democratic rival Joe Biden.

Mr Trump has alleged, without evidence, that Mr Biden pressed for the sacking of a Ukrainian prosecutor to protect a business that employed his son.

Mr Klimkin told the BBC that the prosecutor was sacked for corruption.

A number of Western bodies, including the EU, had pushed for the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to be sacked, he said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49856788
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 11:54 am
@Baldimo,
Trump's approval rating is 38% which means not only the left and progressives and liberals, but the bulk of moderate America doesn't like him. That's the way it's been since he tookoffice, and the extreme right, Baldimo's cohorts, have never yet realized it. That's why they lost in 2018. That's why trump is trying to collude with Ukraine. And why one patriotic whistleblower cou,dn't sit silent with what he/she saw.
Baldimo
 
  -3  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 01:29 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Trump's approval rating is 38% which means not only the left and progressives and liberals, but the bulk of moderate America doesn't like him.

Trump's approval rating isn't that much different than Obama's was at this same time in his 3rd year as President. A couple of weeks ago, he actually had a little bit higher approval rating than Obama had at the same point.
You'll also forgive me if I ignore most polls, since they happen to get a lot of things wrong and are bias to boot.

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That's the way it's been since he tookoffice, and the extreme right, Baldimo's cohorts, have never yet realized it.

I'll once again point out that Obama's approval rating was about the same, mybe better by a couple of points, no more than that. I also recall the polls from before the election where they were showing Hillary winning by a landslide.

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That's why they lost in 2018.

No, that isn't why they lost in 2018. The DNC ran on the fake Russian Collusion story to push for more Dems in office. We now know the Mueller report was a big nothing burger, no meat. On the bright side, the GOP lost less seats in 2018, then the DNC lost in 2010, 2012, 2014. 2020 is going to see the GOP take the House back and increase their lead in the Senate. The DNC is going to be crying like babies for the next 4 years.

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That's why trump is trying to collude with Ukraine. And why one patriotic whistleblower cou,dn't sit silent with what he/she saw.

What a load of crap. Since the Russia investigation turned up nothing, now you are going to look at their rivals as guilty? You can smell the DNC desperation in the air. Lucky for the DNC, they have the MSM in their pockets and the MSM will run with anything the DNC tells them to.

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Baldimo
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 01:31 pm
@izzythepush,
We have the video of Joe bragging about it, the NYT ran a story on it back in May. You will see Joe stepping off the campaign trail in the next few weeks. That old man with a million gaffs won't be around much longer, the DNC is going to have to find their next looser .
hightor
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 02:50 pm
@Baldimo,
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We have the video of Joe bragging about it...

Blah blah blah — Shokin didn't get fired until a few months later.
BillRM
 
  3  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 03:11 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

We have the video of Joe bragging about it, the NYT ran a story on it back in May. You will see Joe stepping off the campaign trail in the next few weeks. That old man with a million gaffs won't be around much longer, the DNC is going to have to find their next looser .


Given that roughly half of the governments of the EU was also been trying to get rid of the man for misdeeds in office I can understand why he would be proud.
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Baldimo
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 03:16 pm
@hightor,
If that's the case, why is Joe bragging about getting him fired by withholding $1 billion in funding? There's also this:
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story
glitterbag
 
  5  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 04:32 pm
Washington Post reports Guilliani heads off for Moscow sponsored event in Armenia.


https://apple.news/AiXtY5LnNT0y0IkOWvbsyng
glitterbag
 
  5  
Fri 27 Sep, 2019 04:54 pm
@glitterbag,
Just in: Washington Post reports Guillani just canceled his paid appearance.
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revelette1
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 05:19 pm
By no means do I think the Bidens did anything wrong. However, in regards to the election and given now Ukraine is looking to get into the action, I think it is better if Biden drops out to put the wind out of Trump's sail. In 2016 it was a stupid emails, now it is going to be Biden corrupt.

I don't think Joe Biden is qualified to run this time anyway, he should drop out. Trump would have a very hard time coming up with something similar with Warren or any of the rest of them.

Biden should just say, he is too much of a distraction or something similar. Don't worry about the clowns crowing about it. Do what it is right for the democrat party.
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revelette1
 
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Fri 27 Sep, 2019 06:31 pm
Kurt Volker, Trump’s Envoy for Ukraine, Resigns

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WASHINGTON — Kurt D. Volker, the State Department’s special envoy for Ukraine, who got caught in the middle of the pressure campaign by President Trump and his lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, to find damaging information about Democrats, resigned his post on Friday.

Mr. Volker, a former ambassador who served in the part-time, unpaid position to help Ukraine resolve its armed confrontation with Russia-sponsored separatists, told Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Friday that he was stepping down.

His departure came just days after Mr. Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine’s president to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and other Democrats came to light and triggered a full-blown House impeachment inquiry. House leaders announced on Friday that they would interview Mr. Volker in a deposition next week.

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