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revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 06:55 am
@Brand X,
Quote:
The current legal opinion of the Justice Department is that sitting presidents cannot be indicted. If Barr adheres to that opinion, which he is not legally bound to do, he could decide to withhold information in Mueller's report that implicates the president.

But as legal expert Neal Katyal — who wrote the underlying regulations governing the special counsel investigation —recently explained in The New York Times, if Mueller's report suggests that the president should be indicted, Barr would have to tell Congress whether he overruled the special counsel's recommendation and explain that decision to lawmakers.

The purpose of the regulation, Katyal said, is partly to allow Congress to act as a check on the president if the Justice Department insists a president cannot be indicted. But the report would need to be substantive enough to help Congress do that. Grand jury testimonies contained in Mueller's report are also likely to remain secret unless a court orders them made public. Some argue that a court could release the material if Congress issues subpoenas.

During Barr's confirmation hearings, Senate Democrats said they wanted Mueller's report released to the public in full, with the exception of any sensitive intelligence matters. And Barr testified before Congress that he wants to release as much of it as he can, "consistent with the law."

If the Democratic-controlled House Judiciary Committee wants more information than Barr provides, it could also subpoena Mueller's report, setting up a potential battle with the White House over executive privilege, national security and the role of grand juries. That would send the decision to release Mueller's report to the judiciary.


CBS
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Brand X
 
  3  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 06:59 am
@ggreenwald

'Agree with it or not, but this is Barr's reasoning from his 2018 memo about why a President shouldn't be charged with "obstructing" an Executive Branch investigation if there was no underlying crime he was trying to hide (i.e. conspiring with Russia) https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5638848-June-2018-Barr-Memo-to-DOJ-Muellers-Obstruction.html
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BillW
 
  3  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 09:05 am
Biggest question of the day; has Barrs' action risen to criminal acts?
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 09:22 am
https://hillreporter.com/foia-judge-may-view-full-mueller-report-and-release-it-to-the-media-31543

Depending on how grave Trump’s actions are detailed in the report, it could lead to public outcry and demand for charges of obstruction of justice against the president.

On Tuesday, federal district Judge Reggie Walton, an appointee of former Republican President George W. Bush, expressed doubts over whether redactions in the Mueller report were necessary, according to a report from Politico. Walton also made clear that he didn’t feel that Attorney General William Barr, who has final say over what parts are redacted or not, would be honest in doing so.

CNN

@CNN
A federal judge says he may want to review the Justice Department's redactions of the Mueller report himself once versions of it are made public https://cnn.it/2KKB2VV
6:20 PM - Apr 16, 2019

“Obviously there is a real concern as to whether there is full transparency,” Walton said, per reporting from CNN. “The attorney general has created an environment that has caused a significant part of the American public to be concerned” about redactions to the Mueller report.

Walton made those comments during a court hearing that stemmed from a request by BuzzFeed News requesting that the Department of Justice make the full, unredacted Mueller report public through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.

The judge said that there could be a possibility that the full report might be made public, under an order he’d make based on a certain set of conditions. First, he said, the redacted report itself has to be seen, and if the redactions aren’t too controversial, making the full report available won’t necessarily be needed.

Whether or not that would be the case would be contingent on the Justice Department, he pointed out.

“We don’t know exactly what is going to be produced by the government on Thursday. I would hope the government is going to be as transparent as it can be,” Walton said.

If there are doubts about whether redactions are appropriate or not, however, Walton suggested that he himself may request a copy of the Mueller report, to view for himself in a confidential manner what has been kept private. Upon viewing the document, Walton would then make a determination about whether the full report should be made public or not.
Region Philbis
 
  1  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 10:27 am
Quote:
CNN --

Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible obstruction of justice could not
clear President Donald Trump, stating the President's actions and intent "presents difficult
issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred,"
according to a redacted version of the special counsel's report released Thursday.

The special counsel's investigation into possible collusion found that members of the Trump
campaign knew they would benefit from Russia's illegal actions to influence the election, but
didn't take criminal steps to help, the Mueller report said.

Mueller also makes clear Congress can continue to investigate Trump.

In May 2017, after Trump learned of Mueller's appointment, Trump "slumped back in his chair
and said, 'Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm f***ed.'"
Brand X
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 10:40 am
@Region Philbis,
It shows what many already knew, that Trump is too ignorant to be president. Lucky for him most of the staff was way smarter than he an refused to do what he asked them, which by in large may of saved his ass.

Mueller tied the report up in a nice bow to hand to congress to continue.

izzythepush
 
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Thu 18 Apr, 2019 11:48 am
Quote:
A US man and his partner could face the death penalty after they were accused of building a "sea home" off Thailand.

Chad Elwartowski has gone into hiding with his girlfriend, Supranee Thepdet, after the navy said they had threatened the country's sovereignty.

Their home, which sits atop a 20m (65ft) platform, is located around 12 miles (19km) off the coast of Phuket.

But Mr Elwartowski insists it is 13 miles from the shore and therefore outside of Thailand's jurisdiction.

"The navy and its team... found a concrete tank floating on the sea but there was no-one on it," police colonel Nikorn Somsuk told AFP news agency.

He added that the navy would meet local officials "to consider what to do next". The navy said the couple had failed to seek permission from Thailand before constructing the home.

If the couple are found guilty of violating Thailand's sovereignty they could face life in prison and even the death penalty.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47974234
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Brand X
 
  0  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 11:59 am
@mtracey

'Remember when there was huge speculation about whether Mueller would investigate Trump's personal business activities, because if he did not investigate such matters, he would fail to uncover collusion? Turns out he DID investigate the Trump Org, dating back to at least 2013'
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Brand X
 
  3  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 04:16 pm
Dana Bash

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House Majority @LeaderHoyer just told me : “Based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point. Very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the American people will make a judgement,”
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 05:28 pm
@Brand X,
@mtracey wrote:
Read this tweet several times. Barr is exercising substantially more transparency than is required by DOJ regulations. Doesn't mean Barr is virtuous or infallible, but it cuts against the people already losing their minds screaming "coverup"
@JenniferJJacobs wrote:
Barr is going beyond what’s required under DOJ regulations by sharing any of the Mueller report, @cstrohm and @spettypi note.

Indeed. There was no requirement for anything to be released at all.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 05:42 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
Biggest question of the day; has Barrs' action risen to criminal acts?

The answer is: No. It is not a crime for the government to enforce the law.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 06:01 pm
@Brand X,
Yep. That was true and discussed months ago
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 06:52 pm
@neptuneblue,
hillreporter.com wrote:
Depending on how grave Trump’s actions are detailed in the report, it could lead to public outcry and demand for charges of obstruction of justice against the president.

Leftists can demand whatever they want, but no one is going to listen to them. It is hardly obstruction for the official in charge of an investigation to decide to end the investigation.

Even if it were possible to interpret obstruction laws that way, such an interpretation would be unconstitutional if applied to the President.

And even if the President had actually committed obstruction, Democrats were fine with Bill Clinton committing obstruction, so they have no standing to complain about obstruction now.


hillreporter.com wrote:
On Tuesday, federal district Judge Reggie Walton, an appointee of former Republican President George W. Bush, expressed doubts over whether redactions in the Mueller report were necessary, according to a report from Politico. Walton also made clear that he didn’t feel that Attorney General William Barr, who has final say over what parts are redacted or not, would be honest in doing so.

No one has any right to receive any report at all. The judge should stop whining and be thankful for what he got.


hillreporter.com wrote:
The judge said that there could be a possibility that the full report might be made public, under an order he’d make based on a certain set of conditions.

There is no way that higher courts will allow such an order to stand.
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 06:58 pm
@oralloy,
It's ok, it all is in Congress's hands now.

Let the weekend pass, begin impeachment proceedings early next week.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 07:04 pm
@neptuneblue,
Republicans are never again going to allow a Republican president to be removed over imaginary charges.

Even if Democrats had evidence of actual wrongdoing, Republicans are never going to allow a Republican president to be removed for something that Democrats say is OK whenever a Democratic president does it.
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 07:10 pm
@oralloy,
Are you kidding? The Republicans will be the first in line to get rid of him.
snood
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 07:14 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Are you kidding? The Republicans will be the first in line to get rid of him.


What has given you the indication that the Republicans have the courage or integrity to go against 45?
RABEL222
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 07:23 pm
@oralloy,
Its people like you who voted for a liar and a thief who have screwed up this country. Not liberals who haven't been in power since Johnson. If Trump told you lead was gold you would agree with him wholeheartedly. The so called democratic ptrsidents who were elected were business orientated conservative lite.
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 07:36 pm
@neptuneblue,
You are cancelled from credibility.

Considering all Republicans have overlooked re Trump proves that he could could invite the media to catalogue each of his morning shits on the Declaration of Independence and they’d defend it.

They are aligned behind him.
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Thu 18 Apr, 2019 07:42 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
What has given you the indication that the Republicans have the courage or integrity to go against 45?


As much as I don't like McConnell or Graham, they DO have integrity. I think they're biding time. Do you honestly think these people "like" Trump? No, they despise him. However, they do have to play the game. Now, as fate has it, the report has landed, not indicting but giving leeway to impeachment.

What did McConnell do today? Roll out legislation to curb underage smoking. He's staying far, far away from having to make a public comment.

Here's what I'm looking at:

The Russia Probe Wasn’t the Only Time Trump Interfered With the Justice Department
After pressure from the president, DOJ set its sights on Hillary Clinton.
Dan Friedman

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s report, due for redacted release on Thursday, is expected to detail President Donald Trump’s efforts to interfere with FBI investigations into contacts between his 2016 campaign and Russia. In particular, the report may discuss Trump’s attempt to convince former Attorney General Jeff Sessions to undo his decision to recuse himself from overseeing the Russia matter.

Sessions rebuffed Trump’s demand that he take control of the probe—a choice that ultimately paved the way for Mueller’s appointment and helped create a major rift between the president and his first attorney general. But as a lawsuit quietly winding its way through the courts makes clear, that wasn’t the end of the story.

“It looks a lot like an attorney general trying to curry favor with an out-of-control boss.”

Sessions’ initial recusal announcement was broad: He promised to avoid involvement in investigations into any matters relating to the 2016 presidential campaign. But as Mother Jones has reported, he repeatedly violated that pledge during his time in office. Indeed, after months of public badgering by Trump, Sessions complied with his boss’s demand that the Justice Department investigate Hillary Clinton. In November 2017, Sessions instructed the US attorney for Utah, John Huber, to look into several issues related to Trump’s 2016 opponent.

While it has been overshadowed by Trump’s fury at the Mueller probe, critics say Sessions’ instructions to Huber were an alarming example of Trump successfully pressuring the nation’s top law enforcement officer into launching an investigation of a political opponent.

“It looks a lot like an attorney general trying to curry favor with an out-of-control boss,” Austin Evers, executive director of American Oversight, a liberal government watchdog group, told Mother Jones. “The Department of Justice opened an undefined investigation of Hillary Clinton based on the political demands of Congress and the president, not the existence of new evidence.”

Sessions’ order to Huber is at the center of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that American Oversight is pursuing in federal court in Washington. The organization charges that senior Justice Department officials, including Huber and former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, acted in “bad faith” in the litigation by denying the existence of written communications conveying Sessions’ instructions to Huber. On Tuesday, the group asked a judge to allow discovery, rare in FOIA cases, so that it can seek additional information it says the department might be concealing.

A spokeswoman for Huber referred questions to the department’s national spokeswoman, who did not comment before publication.

As Mueller’s investigation heated up in July 2017, Trump began regularly blasting Sessions in tweets and other statements, attacking him over his Russia recusal decision and urging him to investigate Clinton. Trump, who said as a candidate that Clinton would “be in jail” if he were president, called for the Justice Department to probe Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, despite the department’s high-profile completion of its investigation into the matter in 2016. Trump also wanted prosecutors to look into what he said were Clinton’s own ties to Russia.

“So many people are asking why isn’t the A.G. or Special Council looking at the many Hillary Clinton or Comey crimes,” Trump tweeted on July 22, 2018. Two days later, he wrote, “So why aren’t the Committees and investigators, and of course our beleaguered A.G., looking into Crooked Hillarys crimes & Russia relations?”

Trump’s push drew backing from Capitol Hill, where various senior Republicans joined in calls for Sessions to name a special counsel to investigate Clinton’s role as secretary of state in authorizing the sale of Uranium One, a Canadian company with mining operations in the United States, as well as other matters. Sessions declined to appoint a new special counsel, but in a November 13, 2017, letter to then-House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd wrote that Sessions had “directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate” the lawmakers’ request.

Following reports about Boyd’s letter, American Oversight filed FOIA requests seeking more information on what exactly Sessions had ordered. When the group didn’t receive a response, it sued the Justice Department. In November 2018, as part of an effort to have the suit thrown out, the DOJ filed a declaration by Vanessa Brinkmann, a senior lawyer in the department’s office of information policy. Brinkmann’s sworn statement said that another DOJ official, a counselor to Sessions, had informed her that Huber and Whitaker—who at the time was Sessions’ chief of staff—said that Sessions had issued “no written guidance or directives to Mr. Huber” with respect to investigating Clinton. The instructions were only issued orally, the department claimed. This meant that the Justice Department did not have to cough up a written record of Sessions ordering a probe of Clinton.

“I don’t think we’re dealing with recalcitrance here. I think we’re dealing with dishonesty.”

But on March 8, 2019, Brinkmann sent American Oversight a “supplemental response” containing an email from Whitaker to Huber with a letter from Sessions attached. “I have requested that you review the matters referenced” in Boyd’s November 2017 letter to Goodlatte, Sessions’ wrote. Sessions asked Huber to recommend “whether any matters not currently under investigation warrants the opening of an investigation, whether any matters currently under investigation require further resources or further investigation, and whether any matters would merit the appointment of a Special Counsel.” Brinkmann’s letter did not explain how the department found a letter she previously claimed did not exist.

Evers said DOJ’s reversal offers reason for the judge in the FOIA case to allow discovery based on a finding that the department acted in “bad faith” in its response. “We have that in spades here,” Evers said. “I don’t think we’re dealing with recalcitrance here. I think we’re dealing with dishonesty.”

Sessions publicly revealed Huber’s probe in a March 2018 letter to lawmakers, months after requesting it. He claimed at the time that he received “regular updates from Mr. Huber.” But the department has revealed nothing about where the investigation has led.


I think most Republican want this to go away. They want Trump gone, Hillary gone and down to running the Country without being under investigation at every turn.
 

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