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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 02:11 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Kyai Haji Yahya Cholil Staquf is a distinguished Muslim scholar and the co-founder of a
global movement (“Humanitarian Islam”) that seeks to reform obsolete tenets of Islamic
orthodoxy that enjoin religious hatred, supremacy and violence, by restoring rahmah
(universal love and compassion) to its rightful place as the primary message of Islam.
Biography @ Human Islam

Besides that, he's in the Executive Board of the Indonesia-U.S. Council on Religion & Pluralism, which has been endorsed by President Jokowi and President Obama.
He's a regular writer for the main media (fake news spread in lying media so to say) in many countries.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 02:27 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
And I will agree that within the GOP there exists a small population of people that are racist, sexist, xenophobic, believe in aliens, bigfoot, flat earth etc. But that does not mean that the platform of the GOP or tenets are and it's offensive to me to say that it is.
Offended? Really? I don't seem to have that sort of response when, say, Canada or Canadians or liberals are spoken of negatively. I often disagree, get frustrated or angry but I'm not offended. Someone could take a big dump on a Canadian flag or a picture of Queen Elizabeth or Trudeau and I just don't care.

But I certainly disagree with your suggestion that the GOP hasn't been deeply marked by racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and misogyny, much of this on purpose for electoral gains. Take Obama's birth cert issue and his "schooled in a madrassa" line (all repeated here and broadly pushed in right wing media). Take Nixon's southern strategy. Take Reagan's "welfare queens". Take the tales of Sharia law threatening to take over America or already in place in European or Brit cities (all false) that have consumed thousands of hours of Fox and talk radio broadcasts. It is no coincidence that the white power/white nationalist voices attach themselves to Trump. Anti-gay sentiment is almost entirely a phenomenon of the right.

But we can disagree.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 02:32 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Take the tales of Sharia law threatening to take over America or already in place in European or Brit cities (all false)

That is total bullshit.
Quote:
Minnesota: New task force led by Muslim AG and terror-linked Muslim groups may get opportunity to enforce Islamic blasphemy laws

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2019/03/31/sharia-task-force/
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 03:37 pm
All The Best People, item 9642
Quote:
Katie Gorka, a Trump administration political appointee in the Department of Homeland Security, suggested in a July 2017 email that the agency, which had just canceled funding for a group dedicated to deradicalizing white supremacists, redirect its efforts to focus on the real threat: anti-fascists.
HP

And yeah, she's Sebastian Gorka's wife. Big surprise. Say yes to fascism. Say yes to white supremacy and ethnic cleansing. Say yes to chaos.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 05:11 pm
Quote:
Court papers show Gillibrand’s father worked for Nxivm sex cult: report

Which other Democratic candidate will bring this up? And did one of them push this story. She never had a chance anyway.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/court-documents-reveal-gillibrands-father-worked-for-nxvim-sex-trafficking-group
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 05:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
(universal love and compassion) to its rightful place as the primary message of Islam.

He is lying here. Some things never change.
livinglava
 
  -1  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 08:29 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
(universal love and compassion) to its rightful place as the primary message of Islam.

He is lying here. Some things never change.

Don't interpret "universal love and compassion" too narrowly. At the level of human-attachment, it is difficult to understand many of the Bible stories that are so often regarded by secular critics of religion as acts of a cruel and inhumane God.

At another level, the same ostensibly cruel events can be interpreted in terms of universal love and compassion. Ultimately, we are brought into submission to God's will when terrible events beyond are control finally morph into blessings of deliverance, mercy, and redemption from sin and its wages.

In short, every cloud has its silver lining and the night is darkest before the dawn; yet we can't experience the ultimate love and compassion of God until the first light of sunrise peaks over the horizon. Before that moment, the temptation is to give up on God's love and compassion, just as Job was tempted by Satan to curse God for all his misery.

My understanding of Islam is limited, but I think it is explicit about God's will being ultimately incomprehensible. We can receive amazing amounts of insight and revelation, enough even to tempt us to hubris, while still ultimately being in the dark as to the greater totality of what there is to know.

So while universal love and compassion may be inherent in God's will, that doesn't mean that we have the capacity to understand everything that's going on well enough to define what is outside of the larger will of God. After all, if God could even allow His son to be crucified for the salvation of sinners, what else could we misunderstand at a human level as a failure of universal love and compassion?

Universal love and compassion is always the bigger picture, as in the poem, Footprints:
Quote:

One night I dreamed a dream.
As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand,
One belonging to me and one to my Lord.

After the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
I noticed that at many times along the path of my life,
especially at the very lowest and saddest times,
there was only one set of footprints.

This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it.
"Lord, you said once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me."

He whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you
Never, ever, during your trials and testings.
When you saw only one set of footprints,
It was then that I carried you."
https://www.onlythebible.com/Poems/Footprints-in-the-Sand-Poem.html
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 10:45 pm
@livinglava,
Quote:
Don't interpret "universal love and compassion" too narrowly.

Muhammad completed Islam. It has nothing to do with universal love, in fact, it is the opposite.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 11:43 pm
@coldjoint,
But that's exactly the position from where this scholar (he's not a cleric by the way) gets that
to what you wrote:
Sounds a little (a lot) like what I have been saying. If people insist on listening to Muslims, listen to all of them.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 5 Apr, 2019 11:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If Jesus Christ came back as a Muslim, coldjoint would crucify him. He's never found a Muslim he couldn't hate.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 05:15 am
@Olivier5,
Not wanting Muslims to murder everyone isn't hate. It is perfectly reasonable for people to not want to be murdered.
FreedomEyeLove
 
  -3  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 05:46 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
It is perfectly reasonable for people to not want to be murdered.


The people downvoting you are pro-murder.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 05:58 am
@FreedomEyeLove,
Leftists are pro-genocide too. You should see them vote down posts that say genocide is wrong.

Leftists are just all-around bad news.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 06:47 am
'Our country is full': Trump claims emergency during border visit
Quote:
President blends fact and fiction as he warns of overburdened immigration system in Calexico, California
[...]
Trump, as he so often does, mixed fact with fiction when warning of the threat.

He described the section of border barrier he visited as new, even though it was a long-planned replacement for an older barrier. The Trump administration has not completed any new mileage of wall or fence anywhere on the border since taking office.

When complaining about the Flores legal settlement that governs treatment of migrant children and families, he blamed “Judge Flores, whoever you may be”. But the settlement is actually named after Jenny Flores, a 15-year-old girl from El Salvador whose 1985 detention by US immigration enforcement (then known as the Immigration and Naturalization Service) was the subject of a class-action lawsuit. Flores was being held in a facility with adult men and women, and was regularly strip-searched. Human rights attorneys sued on her and other minors’ behalf.

Trump also downplayed the claims of people seeking asylum at the border, declaring without evidence that many were gang members while comparing some of their efforts to find safety in the US to the special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

“It’s a scam, it’s a hoax,” Trump said. “I know about hoaxes. I just went through a hoax.”
[...]
A statement from the Southern Border Communities Coalition called Trump’s visit “trite political theater to extract more funds to fulfill his obsession with building deadly walls”.

Protesters who had gathered near the barrier flew a balloon depicting Trump as a baby.

And the California governor, Gavin Newsom, who plans to travel to El Salvador this weekend to meet with officials and NGOs about the causes of migration, issued a sharp rebuke to the president’s push for Congress to pass legislation that would tighten asylum rules.

“Since our founding, this country has been a place of refuge – a safe haven for people fleeing tyranny, oppression and violence,” Newsom said in a statement. “His words show a total disregard of the constitution, our justice system, and what it means to be an American.
blatham
 
  1  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 07:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Our country is full
Apparently orange shitgibbon has never looked out the window of an airplane. Particularly, above "fly-over America". There are reasons people fly-over and don't bother landing there.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 07:20 am
Only The Best People, item 6931
Quote:
Trump’s Fed choice Stephen Moore found in contempt of court for not paying ex-wife more than $333,000
WP

This guy would be wasted heading up the Fed. He'd be a better fit on the board of an Arkansas trailer park.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 07:38 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Apparently orange shitgibbon has never looked out the window of an airplane. Particularly, above "fly-over America". There are reasons people fly-over and don't bother landing there.

There are reasons why rural people vote against leftist bigots.
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FreedomEyeLove
 
  -3  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 07:44 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Leftists are just all-around bad news.


They are lunatics.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 08:42 am
Hey guys. Go to https://www.vox.com/ and then watch the video "Why Tucker Carlson pretends to hate elites". It's really, really good. The guy is completely full of bullshit (as he himself details). But heck, more money!.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 6 Apr, 2019 08:45 am
@FreedomEyeLove,
New rightwing nutballs come crawling out of the sewers where they are breeding.
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