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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 12:47 pm
Quote:
The Nato Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg, has marked the alliance's 70th anniversary with a rare address to the US Congress.

"Nato has been good for Europe but Nato has also been good for the United States," the former Norwegian prime minister said to applause.

He said that Nato did not want a new Cold War but it "must not be naive" about relations with Russia.

Jens Stoltenberg only mentioned the American president once but his speech was clearly a ringing defence of Nato in the face of Donald Trump's scathing attacks on the alliance.

Mr Trump's views are shaped by his trademark transactional approach to foreign policy. He believes the US has been taken for a ride by "freeloading" Europeans benefiting from the American security umbrella without investing enough in their own defence.

He has taken credit for a recent "rocket launch" of increased military spending amongst members, and Mr Stoltenberg has given it to him, making the best of a tense situation. Officials and lawmakers on both sides of the Atlantic agree that the payment gap is a valid concern, but they are alarmed by the ambivalence Mr Trump has shown towards the value of the alliance, and the mutual defence commitment at its core - the first time in 70 years an American president has raised such doubts.

Mr Trump is even reported to have mulled over withdrawing from Nato, which is structured around the defence of Europe. Notably Mr Stoltenberg emphasised how the alliance benefited America, not only Europe, a view shared by members of Congress and of Mr Trump's administration.

Lawmakers gave Mr Stoltenberg repeated standing ovations, their way of reaffirming America's commitment to Nato.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47805786
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 01:14 pm
In order to be a trumpie one has to obligingly stupid.
Builder
 
  -3  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 01:39 pm
@RABEL222,
You mean this stupid? Or narcissistic?

Face it Rabs, Americans were given two rather poor choices for president, and never forget that HRC wanted Trump as her opponent, because after gutting the DNC, duping Bernie, rigging the primaries (and the "prez debate") she figured having him in opposition guaranteed her the win.

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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 01:58 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
In order to be a trumpie one has to obligingly stupid.

To keep posting on a thread you said you were leaving is obligingly stupid and dishonest.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 02:02 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

In order to be a trumpie one has to obligingly stupid.

Well it's hard to knock your amply demonstrated expertise on the subject.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 09:59 pm
On another thread, I alerted folks to an incredibly thorough piece at the NY times on the Murdoch family and their destructive influence in Brit, American and Australian politics and civil discourse. It is more than worthwhile. It really is a must-read for anyone dismayed at how ugly things have become. It's in three parts and the first part is HERE

However, I'm going to quote from the second part here
Quote:
James [Rupert's youngest of two sons] was becoming increasingly troubled by Fox News. He didn’t object to the idea of a conservative news network, but he did object to what he felt it had evolved into at certain hours: a political weapon with no editorial standards or concern for the value of truth and a knee-jerk defender of the president’s rhetoric and policies.

But what the hell would he know?
FreedomEyeLove
 
  -4  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 09:59 pm
@blatham,
The NY times has no credibility.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:01 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
On another thread, I alerted folks to an incredibly thorough piece at the NY times on the Murdoch family

No one cares on that thread either.
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:17 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
Quote:
@blatham,
The NY times has no credibility.

Well done. You've stated your proposition, then dignified that proposition with a full and thorough marshaling of evidence followed by a conclusion that restates the now substantiated original proposition.

Is your degree in Rhetoric or Analytic Philosophy?
FreedomEyeLove
 
  -3  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:19 pm
@blatham,
I stated a fact.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:23 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
You need to go back to school, son.
FreedomEyeLove
 
  -3  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:35 pm
@blatham,
I'm guessing that if you take the NY Times as a 'credible' source, you must also believe Steven Colbert to be a comedian, and not what he actually is, a political pundit and propagandist.
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glitterbag
 
  0  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:39 pm
@georgeob1,
Do you consider yourself a duplicate of Trump??? Do you want your sons to become mini Trumps or your daughters to marry men like old Trump???
FreedomEyeLove
 
  -4  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:44 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Do you want your sons to become mini Trumps or your daughters to marry men like old Trump???


You mean to marry a good, strong man with decency, who is not a beta-male, male feminist? A mother or father could only hope for that.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:47 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
No, I mean some one like Trump. I can't believe you used the word decency.
FreedomEyeLove
 
  0  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:51 pm
@glitterbag,
Donald Trump had the decency and moral backbone to stand up to all the institutions used to bully working class, normal people.

Something very refreshing about a man who isn't bought and paid for being president, probably for the first time in our lifetime.
glitterbag
 
  0  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 10:55 pm
@FreedomEyeLove,
Who are you??? Eric Trump??? I have you on ignore for a reason, but not only because I disagree with the things you utter.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 11:07 pm
What if Trump loses in 2020 but refused to concede?
Quote:
“If Sean Hannity is claiming fraud on television and Rush Limbaugh is claiming fraud and Mitch McConnell is not willing to stand up and say, ‘No, there was no fraud,’ then we could have a real crisis ….”
“I think you could have a long, drawn-out crisis in which our institutions lose credibility,” Levitsky said. Even if Trump were eventually forced out, “we’ll be left with a situation where maybe 30, 35 percent of our population believes the election was rigged ….”

“I could imagine some rioting, some civil violence,” said John Carey, a political scientist at Dartmouth who studies comparative democracy and who cofounded Bright Line Watch, which monitors the health of American democracy. “We just can’t imagine all the possibilities.”
Link Here

We'd better try to imagine this outcome. Trump's rhetoric, echoed across much of the right wing media, suggests there is a very good chance that's exactly what he'll do.
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blatham
 
  0  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 11:12 pm
@glitterbag,
He's a sadly uneducated fellow. I've just put him on ignore.
glitterbag
 
  0  
Wed 3 Apr, 2019 11:23 pm
@blatham,
I've had him on ignore....I'm not sure why I took a look at his crap....I won't do it again.
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