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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Mar, 2019 06:57 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Facts are facts. When an opinion conflicts with the facts, it is still definitely sn opinion, but it's a wrong opinion.

Opinions do not conflict with facts. Facts and opinions are two separate things.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 12 Mar, 2019 06:58 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
It is precisely that sort of Israeli actions that maje Israel a pariah state in the eyes of much of the world.

Refusing to make concessions without getting anything in return hardly makes someone a pariah.


MontereyJack wrote:
It is precisely those sorts of illegal actions on Israel's part that aspur actions worldwide like BDS.

Go ahead and cite a law that was violated by Israel's insisting on getting something in return for a temporary pause in settlement construction.


MontereyJack wrote:
It is precisely those sorts of actions that mean that Israel is still the target of freedom fighters

Palestinians are not freedom fighters. They already govern themselves.


MontereyJack wrote:
who want their land back

If the Palestinians want more land, they can freely have it in exchange for peace.

The only reason why the Palestinians are not getting any more land is because they refuse to make peace.


MontereyJack wrote:
and wil resort to tactics like the terrorist Israel freedom fighters the Irgun used between the

This Palestinian aggression means that Israel doesn't have to give up any more land to the Palestinians.


MontereyJack wrote:
Now ther PLESTINIANS ARE IN THE SAME POSITION, FIGHTINNG FOR THEIR FREEDOM.

No. The Palestinians govern themselves already.


MontereyJack wrote:
bEING jEWISH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. if THE iSRAELIS HAD BEEN bSPTISTS AND DID PRECISELY THE SAME THING, THYEY WWOULD STILL BE oppressors of the Palestinians.

No such oppression. The Palestinians already have Gaza and Area A. They would have even more if they ever agreed to peace.


MontereyJack wrote:
Youjr valiant attempts to allow the Israeilis to do any fillegal thing they want to by falsely calling it anti-Semitic is noted and rejected.

Israel is not doing anything illegal.

Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary crimes is very much antisemitic.


MontereyJack wrote:
They get the blame hen they do something illegal, and the settlements are.

Israel is only required to return to 1967 borders as part of an outcome where they receive peaceful acceptance in return for it.

Since the Palestinians refuse to ever peacefully accept Israel, there is no requirement for Israel to give up any more land.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Mar, 2019 10:36 pm
Quote:
REVEALED: Lisa Page Testimony Shows Obama AG Loretta Lynch Lied

Lock her up until she flips on Obama. That is how Mueller works. The new AG will be holding people accountable.
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/03/12/revealed-lisa-page-testimony-shows-obama-ag-loretta-lynch-lied/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=revealed-lisa-page-testimony-shows-obama-ag-loretta-lynch-lied&utm_content=0&utm_campaign=PostPromoterPro
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Tue 12 Mar, 2019 10:36 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
According to you and Pirro,

I doubt Pirro said that. I know I didn't. Islam's doctrine is incompatible with our Constitution. That is a fact. Unless you want Jews dead and Islam running everything which would still be against our Constitution.

According to you, is Halakha incompatible with our Constitution?
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Mar, 2019 10:40 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Halakha

No one is trying to install those laws. So it is a moot point.
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Tue 12 Mar, 2019 10:47 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

Refusing to make concessions without getting anything in return hardly makes someone a pariah.
What makes Israel a pariah is iullegal Israeli settlements in the occupied territories and denying Palestinian refugees their legal right to return
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revelette1
 
  4  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 09:33 am
@oralloy,
Resolution 194 of the United Nation which we the US is part of says the refugees have the right to return along with a lot of other disputed issues which should have been settled.

Quote:
. Resolves that, pending agreement on more detailed arrangements among the Governments and authorities concerned, the freest possible access to Jerusalem by road, rail or air should be accorded to all inhabitants of Palestine;

Instructs the Conciliation Commission to report immediately to the Security Council, for appropriate action by that organ, any attempt by any party to impede such access;

10. Instructs the Conciliation Commission to seek arrangements among the Governments and authorities concerned which will facilitate the economic development of the area, including arrangements for access to ports and airfields and the use of transportation and communication facilities;

11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible;

Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

12. Authorizes the Conciliation Commission to appoint such subsidiary bodies and to employ such technical experts, acting under its authority, as it may find necessary for the effective discharge of its functions and responsibilities under the present resolution;


https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/C758572B78D1CD0085256BCF0077E51A
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 10:46 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Resolution 194 of the United Nation which we the US is part of says the refugees have the right to return along

Quote:
UN Resolution 194Arab Leaders Point to Resolution 194 as Proof that Arab Refugees Have a “Right to Return”–False

Quote:
Resolution 194, adopted by the UN General Assembly on December 11, 1948, addressed a host of issues, but only one paragraph out of 15 dealt with refugees created by the conflict. Resolution 194 attempted to create the tools required to reach a truce in theregion. It established a conciliation commission with representatives from the United States, France and Turkey to replace the UN mediator. The commission was charged with achieving “a final settlement of all questions between ... governments and authorities concerned.” The Resolution‟s “refugee clause”is not a standaloneitem, as the Arabs would have us think, nor does it pertain specifically to Palestinian Arab refugees.[/b[/quote]
http://mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-194.pdf
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 10:51 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
UN Resolution 194Arab Leaders Point to Resolution 194 as Proof that Arab Refugees Have a “Right to Return”–FalseAugust 13, 2009| Eli E. HertzResolution 194, adopted by the UN General Assembly on December 11, 1948, addressed a host of issues, but only one paragraph out of 15 dealt with refugees created by the conflict. Resolution 194 attempted to create the tools required to reach a truce in theregion. It established a conciliation commission with representatives from the United States, France and Turkey to replace the UN mediator. The commission was charged with achieving “a final settlement of all questions between ... governments and authorities concerned.” The Resolution‟s “refugee clause”is not a standaloneitem, as the Arabs would have us think, nor does it pertain specifically to Palestinian Arab refugees.Of the 15 paragraphs, the first six sections addressed ways to achieve a truce; the next four paragraphs addressed the ways that Jerusalem and surrounding villages and towns should be demilitarized, and how an international zone or jurisdiction would be created in and around Jerusalem. The resolution also called on all parties to protect and allow free access to holy places, including religious buildings.One paragraph has drawn the most attention: Paragraph 11, which alone addressed the issue of refugees and compensation for those whose property was lost or damaged. Contrary to Arab claims, it did not guarantee a Right of Return and certainly did not guarantee an unconditional Right of Return –that is the right of Palestinian Arab refugees to return to Israel. Nor did it specifically mention Arabrefugees, thereby indicating that the resolution was aimed at all refugees, both Jewish and Arab. Instead, Resolution 194 recommended that refugees be allowed to return to their homeland if they met two important conditions:1. That they be willing to live in peace with their neighbors2. That thereturn takes place “at the earliest practicable date”The resolution also recommended that for those who did not wish to return, “Compensation should be paid for the property ... and for loss of or damage to property” by the “governments or authorities responsible.”Although Arab leaders point to Resolution 194 as proof that Arab refugees have a right to return or be compensated,it is important to note that the Arab States: Egypt, Iraq,Lebanon, SaudiArabia, Syria, and Yemen voted against Resolution

http://mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-194.pdf
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 10:53 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Resolution 194 of the United Nation which we the US is part of says the refugees have the right to return along with a lot of other disputed issues which should have been settled.

That's a General Assembly resolution. It has no force of law. And since it is merely the ranting of antisemites, it has no moral force either.

More to the point though, the right of return makes a two-state solution impossible. A demand for the right of return is a demand for Israel to cease to exist.

Abandoning the two-state solution and refusing to accept Israel's existence means that Israel gets to keep all of Area C. The world was only asking Israel to return to 1967 borders as part of an outcome where they received peaceful acceptance in return.

If the Palestinians can be driven out of Area B (and I think that over the long term they can be) it means that Israel gets to keep Area B as well.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 11:07 am
Quote:
The Forgotten Jewish Refugees From Arab Lands

What do you know. This seems to work both ways.
Quote:
Much has been written about the Palestinian refugees, but little attention has been paid to nearly one million Jewish refugees forced to flee their Arab homelands in North Africa, the Arabian Peninsula, the Levant and beyond.

Between 1948-1972, approximately 586,000 Jews from Arab countries were resettled in Israel, while 200,000 more moved to North America and Europe. The vast majority of Jewish refugees were destitute, their property confiscated by the Arab governments they left behind. Absorbing so many refugees was difficult and costly for Israel, nearly doubling the young country’s population.

They never had any interest in a “right of return” to the homes they left behind — ancient communities in far-flung places like Morocco, Afghanistan, Yemen and Syria that predated Islam.

Their absorption into Israeli society was not smooth; newcomers were housed in tents and shacks in crowded, spartan transit camps and temporary communities called maabarot. Some of Israel’s current social tensions trace their roots back to the maabarot: European Ashkenazi immigrants tended to be better educated, have smaller families, were more likely to assimilate into secular society, and qualified for German war reparations. The Mizrahi (literally, eastern) Jews were less-educated, had larger families, were more religious, and didn’t qualify for German war reparations. Their absorption was supported by an austerity government and supplemented by donations from world Jewry.


https://honestreporting.com/the-forgotten-jewish-refugees-from-arab-lands/
Quote:
Since 1949, the United Nations has passed more than 100 resolutions on Palestinian refugees. Yet, for Jewish refugees from Arab countries not a single U.N. resolution has been introduced recognizing our mistreatment or calling for justice for the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees forced out of our homes. This imbalance of the world’s concern is itself an injustice.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 11:19 am
@coldjoint,
At the end of WWII some Europeans stole property from innocent (unrelated to the Nazis in any way) German landowners in their countries.

Just a few years ago there was a "right to return" proposed in the EU, where the original German owners would either get their property back or be compensated.

It faced considerable opposition and ultimately failed.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 11:44 am
Quote:
Yet Another Muslim Rape Gang Is Charged

Same ****, different day.
Quote:
The BBC reported Monday that “eleven men have been charged with child sex offences in Sheffield.” The names of those charged make it clear that this was yet another Muslim rape gang – one of a seemingly endless stream. No one in Britain will dare to acknowledge it as such, but this dispiritingly recurring featuring of modern life in the United Kingdom is yet another product of the cultural hegemony of the Left.

Of course, the immediate culprit is Islamic teaching. One survivor of a Muslim rape gang in the UK said that her rapists would quote Quran to her, and believed their actions justified by Islam. The Qur’an teaches that Infidel women can be lawfully taken for sexual use (cf. its allowance for a man to take “captives of the right hand,” 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50, 70:30). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:59) The implication there is that if women do not cover themselves adequately with their outer garments, they may be abused, and that such abuse would be justified.

But there is another reason why it keeps happening as well. 1,400 British non-Muslim children were gang-raped and brutalized by Muslims in one city alone, and “several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.

We need to prevent this from happening in the US. authorities here cannot put appearing racist(although a belief system, Islam, not race is the problem) over the law.
https://freedomoutpost.com/yet-another-muslim-rape-gang-is-charged/
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revelette1
 
  3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 12:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
The Resolution‟s “refugee clause”is not a standaloneitem, as the Arabs would have us think, nor does it pertain specifically to Palestinian Arab refugees.




Quote:
A/RES/194 (III)
11 December 1948

194 (III). Palestine -- Progress Report of the
United Nations Mediator


https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/C758572B78D1CD0085256BCF0077E51A

Quote:
Resolution 237 (1967)
of 14 June 1967

Considering the urgent need to spare the civil populations and the prisoners of the war in the area of conflict in the Middle East additional sufferings,

Considering that essential and inalienable human rights should be respected even during the vicissitudes of war,

Considering that all the obligations of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of 12 August 1949 1/ should be complied with by the parties involved in the conflict,

1. Calls upon the Government of Israel to ensure the safety, welfare and security of the inhabitants of the areas where military operations have taken place and to facilitate the return of those inhabitants who have fled the areas since the outbreak of hostilities;

2. Recommends to the Governments concerned the scrupulous respect of the humanitarian principles governing the treatment of prisoners of war and the protection of civilian persons in time of war contained in the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949;2/

3. Requests the Secretary-General to follow the effective implementation of this resolution and to report to the Security Council.

Adopted unanimously at the 1361st meeting.


https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/E02B4F9D23B2EFF3852560C3005CB95A
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 12:17 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
Resolution 237 (1967)
of 14 June 1967

I do not see the word "Palestinian" in that resolution, do you? And that is right after Israel kicked ass in the 6 Day War..
tsarstepan
 
  3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 12:45 pm
Quote:
BREAKING NEWS
President Trump announced that the U.S. would halt flights of Boeing’s 737 Max aircraft, reversing an earlier decision by American regulators.

Avian Flu related News
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glitterbag
 
  5  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 12:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Oh right, the six day war......during that time the Israelis also attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 crew members and wounded 171.....the cover story is they mistook a US Navy technical research ship for an Egyptian vessel so the Israelis attacked with torpedo boats and fighter aircraft.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 01:23 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
.during that time the Israelis also attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 crew members and wounded 171

What does that have to do with Israel kicking ass? We were never Israel's enemy and you know it.
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BillRM
 
  3  
Wed 13 Mar, 2019 01:28 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Oh right, the six day war......during that time the Israelis also attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 crew members and wounded 171.....the cover story is they mistook a US Navy technical research ship for an Egyptian vessel so the Israelis attacked with torpedo boats and fighter aircraft.


Yes that attack was an interesting action by the Israels as we was the only ones doing a massive airlift to supply them with must needed war fighting supplies.

To me we should had end stop the supplies until they would turn over whoever they had set up to take the blame if need be.

If they would then know that such actions in the future would cost them dearly as would had been a useful warning to them even if our self interests would not allow us to let then go down to defeat.
 

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