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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Sat 8 Dec, 2018 07:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
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absolute majoriy of votes as worst,

Without the negative press he would have beat Obama. Obama divided the country and weaponized everything he could to make this president fail. He is still trying. Nobama.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 8 Dec, 2018 07:33 pm
@coldjoint,
Well, if you wanna go there, let's talk about how Trump lost ter vote to Hillary snd lost the House decisively a month ago.
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farmerman
 
  6  
Sun 9 Dec, 2018 05:21 am
@coldjoint,
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Obama divided the country and weaponized everything he could to make this president fail. He is still trying. Nobama
That is total and utter bullshit. ON the week that Obama election was decided, Rush Limbaugh and his cronies all came on their air time and pleaded with the "base" to help detroy the Obama legacy.
Fortunately Obama never got the memo and the Limbonians all looked like a buncha twits when Obama reset the ship of state after Bush 's"Great Recession"

All of your statements about Obama are revisionist BS pinky.
hightor
 
  3  
Sun 9 Dec, 2018 11:29 am
I Like Joe Biden. I Urge Him Not to Run.

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You’d agree, wouldn’t you, that Consideration No. 1 in choosing a Democratic nominee in 2020 is making sure that he or she is the person best positioned to defeat Donald Trump? That nothing else comes close?

Then what would you say if I told you that we should put our chips on a man who failed miserably at two previous campaigns for the nomination, the first one all the way back in 1988, a year before Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was born? And that when he applied the lessons from that debacle to his second bid two decades later, he did no better, placing fifth in the Iowa caucuses, getting fewer than 1 percent of the state’s delegates and folding his tent before even the New Hampshire primary?

And that he spent nearly 45 years in Washington, a proper noun that’s a dirty word in presidential politics? And that his record includes laws and episodes that are reviled — rightly — by the female and black voters so integral to the Democratic Party? And that, on Election Day, he would be 77, which is 31 years older than Bill Clinton was in 1992, 30 years older than Barack Obama was in 2008 and a complete contradiction of the party’s success over the last half-century with relatively youthful candidates?

You’d tell me that I was of unsound mind.

Well, Joe Biden’s boosters are.

Right now there’s a swell of talk about, and interest in, a Biden candidacy. Last Monday he told an audience in Montana that none of the other Democrats eyeing the White House were as qualified as he is, and it sounded like the beginnings of a stump speech.

A terrible stump speech at that. If what Biden took away from the 2016 election was that qualifications rule the day, I’d urge him to ask Hillary Clinton how consoling her impeccable credentials are and then to educate me on the gold-plated wonders of Trump’s C.V.

A national poll two weeks ago showed that Biden was far ahead of other Democrats in a hypothetical primary field, winning the favor of 25 percent of respondents in comparison with 15 percent for Bernie Sanders, 13 for Hillary Clinton, 9 for Beto O’Rourke and under 5 each for Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris. But that’s name recognition multiplied by nostalgia. And nostalgia is a risky currency and an odd fit for a party that last claimed the White House with a mantra of hope and change.

An article about Biden that The Atlantic published on Thursday said that “people keep coming up to him everywhere he goes” to profess their longing and love. It quoted one 89-year-old woman who told Biden: “If you promise to run, I’ll promise to stay alive long enough to vote for you.” She clearly admires him very much.

I do, too. He’s an admirable person. How I wish that mattered more in terms of the outcome of a presidential election than it obviously does. He pressed on with public service long after he could have cashed in. His devotion to his family is palpable; his strength through its tragedies, extraordinary. He’s informed, he’s affable and he’s real.

But is he the best bet? The difference between four and eight years of Trump could be everything; this is a time for ruthlessly unemotional calculation. Show me persuasive evidence that the president’s most fearsome adversary is an avocado and I’ll whip up the corresponding paraphernalia: Make America Guac Again.

And you know what? By the time 2020 rolls around, perhaps an avocado could beat Trump. We await Robert Mueller’s report while being reminded daily of how staggeringly thorough his inquiry has been. We could be on the cusp of a recession. Even amid strong economic indicators, voters issued a clear repudiation of Trump in the midterm elections, as the Democrats picked up at least 40 House seats.

But we should plan for a worst-case scenario — for a Trump who’s wounded but not critically or who has managed to hit some kind of herky-jerky homestretch stride. We should be cleareyed about each Democratic contender’s shortcomings and vulnerabilities.

Biden, who followed 36 years as a senator from Delaware with eight as Obama’s vice president, has many. His record is one of them. There’s prodigious accomplishment there but also trouble: his stern treatment of Anita Hill when she appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which he was chairman; his role as an ambassador for the financial services industry in Delaware; his key part in the passage of crime bills that ended up punishing African-Americans disproportionately. None of that jibes with his party’s current priorities and mood.

The very scope of that record isn’t ideal. “It would be so nice, after Hillary, to have someone without years and years of votes and baggage,” one Democratic strategist told me. Biden’s long history, she added, “is a treasure trove for any opponent.”

Then there’s Biden’s famous propensity for cringe-inducing gaffes. Maybe those would be less noticeable or relevant than before, given the nature and nuttiness of Trump’s expectorations.

But maybe they’d muffle the substance of his message. Between his verbal fumbling, his attempts to recover from it and all the shiny, meaningless objects that Trump gets journalists to chase, a Biden-Trump matchup could turn into a total circus, and who flourishes in that kind of habitat? Trump. He can out-clown Bozo and the specter in “It” combined.

While Biden, at 76, is only four years older than Trump, Democrats have had more luck over recent decades with presidential candidates younger than their Republican opponents. “In the last century, the party has never won with a non-incumbent who was older than 52,” Thor Hogan, who teaches politics at Earlham College, wrote in The Washington Post recently.

That “makes perfect sense,” Hogan added. “Democrats are the party of progress, of hope and of change.”

They’re already straining that brand with their trio of top leaders in the House: Nancy Pelosi, 78; Steny Hoyer, 79; and Jim Clyburn, 78. They’re going to plump up the septuagenarian society further with their 2020 nominee? “It would be tragic for Democrats to squander an obvious chance at an age and health and vigor and generational contrast to Trump,” another Democratic strategist said.

That’s a contrast plenty of local Democratic operatives want. On the same day that Biden trumpeted his qualifications in Montana, The Wall Street Journal reported that it had surveyed the Democratic chairmen and chairwomen of all 99 counties in Iowa; that 76 responded; and that while there was no consensus on the issues or positions that a 2020 nominee should emphasize, 43 of these leaders indicated a preference for “a young candidate” and “a fresh face.”

As that latter phrase suggests, Biden’s problem isn’t just age. A candidate can be old in years and relatively new to presidential politics (Elizabeth Warren, 69; Mike Bloomberg, 76) or old in years and the champion of new directions (Bernie Sanders, 77). Neither of those descriptions applies to Biden.

His party can’t get enough of the word “progressive,” but he’s regressive, symbolizing a step back to an administration past. Don’t get me wrong: That’s infinitely preferable to the indecent present. But it’s a questionable campaign slogan.

He has said that he’ll decide in the next month or two whether to run — whether he’s willing to spend that much time away from his grandchildren. For their sake, I hope he stays on the sidelines. For our sake, too.


Frank Bruni, NYT

coldjoint
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 11:32 am
@farmerman,
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That is total and utter bullshit.

"He could have been my son", the Cambridge police acted stupidly, " Hands up don't shoot". No he, Obama, didn't try to divide the country. Remember the Muslim Brotherhood people in his administration?
coldjoint
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 11:36 am
@farmerman,
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All of your statements about Obama are revisionist BS pinky.

The revisionist BS is in our universities and in our educational institutions. America is now the bad guy and everything it has done is because we are white. How stupid are you people?
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hightor
 
  1  
Sun 9 Dec, 2018 12:11 pm
@coldjoint,
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No he, Obama, didn't try to divide the country.

Right. None of your abbreviated "examples" connote divisiveness.
edgarblythe
 
  6  
Sun 9 Dec, 2018 12:19 pm
I often did not agree with Obama, but the Republicans were berserko at every move he made as president and they still are at it. The only thing they did not vilify about him was - Come to think of it, they vilified every single thing. The vitriol comes through tribalism. He is not a Republican; therefore everything about him must die.
hightor
 
  4  
Sun 9 Dec, 2018 12:24 pm
@edgarblythe,
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He is not a Republican; therefore everything about him must die.

He's only half white, too!
edgarblythe
 
  3  
Sun 9 Dec, 2018 12:51 pm
@hightor,
The half white is a factor, with these people, but they were practicing their "techniques" against Bill Clinton, before perfecting them on Obama.
coldjoint
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 12:52 pm
@hightor,
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Right. None of your abbreviated "examples" connote divisiveness.

Divisiveness is not a product of the Right but it is the reason we are having this conversation. I see no problem saying it picked up speed with Obama and it is no more than a distraction to avoid serious debate.
MontereyJack
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 04:54 pm
@coldjoint,
What the right calls divisiveness is simply Dems, who got the majority of support in two eloections,, having a different agenda rather than the failed agenda of the Republicans which did, after all, give us the Great Recession (and refused Obama's requests to work together on health coverage for all, which actually was based on a Republican-generated healkth plan. But even so the divisive GOP shas spent ten years trying to tear their own plan down. Who's the divisive one there?
coldjoint
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 04:59 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Who's the divisive one there?

I already made it clear who benefits from it and use it as a tool, and I'll give you a hint it is not the country.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 05:35 pm
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‘Liberals MUST Eradicate A Masculinity In Order For Their Evil Machinations To Thrive’

Always nice when someone agrees with me. I have been talking about this for a while. Progressives have done quite a bit in this department. Check out TR and how this will kill a society. The Left listened and took action to get this done.
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If you’ve ever looked around and asked yourself, ‘where have all the men gone’… we’ve got an answer for you.

They’re gone by design.

People have deliberately bred masculinity out of society.

They’ve called it toxic
They treat every man like a potential rapist.

They WANT traditional masculinity to go the way of the dinosaur.

The reason is obvious, isn’t it?

It is to me.
https://clashdaily.com/2018/12/liberals-must-eradicate-a-masculinity-in-order-for-their-evil-machinations-to-thrive/
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 05:46 pm
@edgarblythe,
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The half white is a factor,

Who is a racist?
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ehBeth
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 06:22 pm
@farmerman,
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/08/robert-mueller-donald-trump-loyalty-organized-crime

some snippets

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Some of the players have agreed to work with the special counsel as he investigates possible collusion between Russia and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. Others are standing by Trump. Former campaign chairman Paul Manafort vowed never to work with Mueller, then agreed to work with Mueller, then allegedly tried to put one over Mueller.

Like the methodical prosecutor he is, Mueller has forced each target of his investigation, one by one, to pick a side, offering reduced penalties to cooperators such as Michael Flynn and hammering Manafort, whom Mueller accused Friday of lying to investigators about maintaining contacts inside the White House as recently as May.

Trump, for his part, has been trying to disrupt the process, praising former aides who “refused to break” and “still have guts” while slamming his former attack dog Michael Cohen, who has been cooperating with Mueller, as a “weak” liar and a bad lawyer to boot.

The secret of why, exactly, Trump appears to be growing so desperate in the face of his former aides’ mutiny – by midday Friday, the president had tweeted seven times about Mueller – promises to be revealed in the final act.

The drama, meanwhile, has heated up aggressively in the last week, with former Trump adviser Roger Stone invoking fifth amendment protections to maintain his silence, and Mueller unveiling the extent of Cohen’s co-operation, writing approvingly of Flynn’s conduct, and explaining to a judge how Manafort allegedly tried to outsmart him.

To a certain set of federal prosecutors, the visible struggle between Trump and Mueller for the loyalty of former Trump aides is familiar, because it is straight out of the playbook for prosecuting organized crime.

“The decision to cooperate with prosecutors always comes down to loyalty,” said Elie Honig, a former federal prosecutor from the southern district of New York who helped dismantle the Sicilian mafia.

“Who are you going to prioritize?” Honig said. “Are you going to cooperate and minimize your own exposure, and likely minimize the pain, and emotional and financial hardship on your family – or are you going to stay loyal to the people who you committed crimes with?”



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ll the former prosecutors the Guardian spoke with cautioned that they did not mean by their analysis to say that Trump is a mob boss, or that the Mueller investigation is strictly an organized crime investigation. But the similarities kept coming up.

Daniel Goldman was deputy chief of the organized crime unit in the southern district of New York, where he was an assistant US attorney for a decade.

“To play the mafia analogy out a little further,” Goldman said, “mob bosses hold sway over their soldiers because they hold the purse strings for their soldiers and their soldiers’ families, particularly when they go to jail, and they sort of rule with an implicit iron fist that reacts to cooperation with violence up to, potentially, death.

“Trump holds sway over his associates through his presidential pardon power and he’s not afraid to explicitly reference that power in connection to individuals who may have information about his own criminal activity. And so the parallels are very strong.”

Of the various ways he has broken precedent as president, Trump’s visibly dangling pardons in an apparent effort to shore up the loyalty of former aides has caused deep consternation among those with professional experience enforcing the law.

On the same day that Trump said Cohen should serve a “full sentence”, he tweeted that Stone was the victim of a “rogue and out of control prosecutor” and praised Stone’s “guts”. Days earlier he had said a pardon for Manafort was not “off the table”.


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As for when the final act in the Mueller investigation will begin, the swarm of court filings and jockeying of the past two weeks could indicate that “there’s still quite a bit to go”, said Honig.

“I think these past couple weeks have shown us that we’re not really in the ninth inning as some people had said,” he said, “that Mueller’s still got a lot of information that he’s processing and dealing with that’s turning into potentially criminal charges – and I think that the bigger picture is sort of starting to come into focus.”

Cotter said: “We’re in stage two. We’re hearing the indictments and the pleas, people cooperating. Then there’s going to be a stage three, where people who are not cooperating, just – the hammer falls.

“And I don’t know if it’s going to be Don Jr, or [Jared] Kushner, or who knows. But I think it’s going to happen, and I can’t tell you when. But I think it’s going to happen.”

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ehBeth
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 06:35 pm
the Kelly to Ayers handoff didn't work out and the backstory looks interesting

thanks for the possible promotion but I'm getting outta here



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/09/ayers-trump-chief-of-staff-1054070


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@AdamParkhomenko
3h3 hours ago
More Adam Parkhomenko Retweeted Nick Ayers
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When the report hit about his tens of millions of dollars his ties to Russia through the church were suddenly exposed and he knew things became too hot so he’s getting the **** out before anyone knows what is really going on with him.


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@nick_ayers
Thank you @realDonaldTrump, @VP, and my great colleagues for the honor to serve our Nation at The White House. I will be departing at the end of the year but will work with the #MAGA team to advance the cause. #Georgia
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roger
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 06:55 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I Like Joe Biden. I Urge Him Not to Run.


The downside of Biden is that he is a political animal, he's a Democrat, and sometimes his mouth outruns his brain. The upside is that I think he is actually interested in what's best for the country, at least in his own perception.

If he's been on the ballot in 2016, I would have given him my vote in a heartbeat.
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ehBeth
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 07:20 pm
from the hunh column

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/ammon-bundy-quits-militia-movement-defends-migrant-caravan.html

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Ammon Bundy is best known as a leading light of the American militia movement (a motley coalition of various different flavors of firearms enthusiasts who hate the federal government). He’s famous for getting into armed standoffs with federal agents and violently occupying bird sanctuaries. His friends are the kind of folks who co-chair pro-Trump veterans groups; his father is the kind of man who says, “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro” — and proceeds to explain why black people were “better off as slaves.”

So, this being 2018, Bundy naturally just disavowed the militia movement in solidarity with the migrant caravan, suggested that nationalism is actually the opposite of patriotism, and said that Trump’s America resembles nothing so much as 1930s Germany.

Last week, Bundy posted a video to Facebook in which he criticized
President Trump for demonizing the Central American migrants who were traveling in a caravan to seek asylum in the United States.


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“To group them all up like, frankly, our president has done — you know, trying to speak respectfully — but he has basically called them all criminals and said they’re not coming in here,” Bundy observed. “What about individuals, those who have come for reasons of need for their families, you know, the fathers and mothers and children that come here and were willing to go through the process to apply for asylum so they can come into this country and benefit from not having to be oppressed continually?”

Bundy went on to observe that “faith is the opposite of fear” and that “we have been asked by God to help, to be welcoming, to assist strangers, to not vex them.” He also provided his viewers with a quick fact-check of the president’s claims that liberal billionaire George Soros had orchestrated the caravan, and that there were terrorists embedded among the migrants.


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As Hernandez notes, Bundy’s heretical hostility to xenophobic hate isn’t as out of character as it might appear to a lay audience. While the Bundys are heroes to a movement associated with militant nativism, they’ve always belonged to a peculiar strand of the American militia movement — one whose hostility to the federal government is rooted less in white nationalism than a libertarian Mormonism that honors the Church of Latter-day Saints’ traditional support for refugees.

Nevertheless, “woke Bill Kristol” (and woker Axl Rose) notwithstanding, anti-Trump Ammon Bundy has to be the #Resistance’s weirdest recruit yet.



ok then
coldjoint
 
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Sun 9 Dec, 2018 07:27 pm
@ehBeth,
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President Trump for demonizing the Central American migrants

That is not true. The media fails to report he is not letting anyone in illegally. It does not matter where they are from. Plus there are gang members, which Trump has nothing to do with, but dead right by keeping all gang members out.

That is what is going on. The truth seems to bore people.
 

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