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izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 06:07 am
Part of a much longer article. Will Maine change future elections?

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As mentioned, that Maine election was a bit unusual. The Second Congressional District race was the first test of the state's new "ranked choice" voting system. Because of it, a Democrat unseated an incumbent Republican who would have been re-elected under the old system.

When Maine residents headed to the polls two weeks ago, they voted for their first choice - and then marked who their second preference would be if their first pick didn't end up in the top two and no one received a majority of the vote.

On election day, Republican Bruce Poliquin received 46.2% of the vote, while Democrat Jared Golden tallied 45.5%. After the second choices of those who opted for independent and third-party candidates were tabulated last Thursday, however, Mr Golden pulled ahead and won the seat.

"Instant runoff" systems like this have been cited by electoral reform advocates as a means to avoid third-party spoiler candidates and ensure that elected officials enter office with a majority of support.

The Republican is already challenging the legality of the process, but if it's upheld other states may give the system a look.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46267519
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 06:19 am
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A US federal judge has blocked an order issued by President Trump to deny asylum to migrants crossing the southern US border illegally.

US District Judge Jon Tigar in San Francisco issued the temporary restraining order after hearing arguments by civil rights groups.

Mr Trump signed the order earlier this month in response to the migrant caravan moving towards the border.

He cited national interest concerns but was opposed by civil rights groups.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46272666
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hightor
 
  3  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 06:27 am
@Lash,
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People refuse to refer to them as the Democratic Party because of the fact that they’ve proven to be hyperbolically undemocratic.

That might be why you use the term but it goes back much further — at least as far back as the 1940's. At that time it was the influence of city party bosses that was seen as "undemocratic" but it was a partisan epithet invented and used by Republicans. And we all know how strong their commitment to democracy is.

I've put up two columns recently about the strength of the party system, both written by unrelated "Goldbergs". If you're interested in reading them I'll find you the links. The "super delegate" policy was a response to the losses in '72. It can be seen as an effort for the party to protect its "brand". Had the RNC been governed by similar rules it's very possible that Trump wouldn't have won the nomination. The Goldbergs make the argument that times have changed and that parties should be more powerful. It's an interesting point for discussion.
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...they use newspeople to manipulate the voting process and override the political process.

They don't really have that much power. They can't "manipulate the voting process" — no matter how much propaganda they spew, they don't control people's actions at the ballot box. Nor do they "override the political process" — the discussion of candidates' pros and cons in the media is part of the political process. Both parties have people in the press who they can count on but anyone who looks a politics critically knows which ones are which.
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hightor
 
  3  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 06:36 am
@izzythepush,
It's worked out really well here — so far. We've had several instances of third party candidates acting as political "spoilers" and winners of important election only receiving 35-45% of the vote. It's difficult to govern when the majority of voters voted against you.

The Poliquin clown is (was) my congressman:
https://i.imgur.com/OYvD6ET.jpg
Yup.

Glad to see him go.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 07:00 am
@hightor,
It's been longstanding in Northern Ireland where the main reason was to keep groups like Sinn Fein and some of the more extreme Unionists out of office.

It also applies with 'joke' elections like police commissioners.

However, it's not the case with Westminster elections on the UK mainland. Back in 2010 the Conservatives came into power with support from the Liberal Democrats who subsequently tore up all their election promises. The main, (only,) condition of their support was a referendum on preference voting. This was widely seen as a reward for Nick Clegg and many people, myself included, who normally would have supported the motion voted against it because political parties shouldn't be rewarded for breaking election pledges.

Back in 2010 the Liberal Democrats had 57 MPs in Westminster, today they have 12.
farmerman
 
  5  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 09:45 am
@izzythepush,
Michelle Goldberg seems to have a problem with Plumps self-proclaimed business genius. Ya gotta read this from Todays "F" NYT.TRUMP FAILS AGAIN
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 10:50 am
@farmerman,
We have The Apprentice over here. Our figure is Alan Sugar. Love him or hate him you can't deny he's been successful.

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Alan Michael Sugar, Baron Sugar (born 24 March 1947) is a British business magnate, media personality, politician and political adviser. According to the Sunday Times Rich List, Sugar became a billionaire in 2015. In 2016 his fortune was estimated at £1.15bn, ranking him as the 95th richest person in the UK.

Sugar was born in Hackney, East London, into a Jewish family. His father, Nathan, was a tailor in the garment industry of the East End. His maternal grandparents were born in Russia, and his paternal grandfather was born in Poland. Sugar's paternal grandmother, Sarah Sugar, was born in London to Polish parents.

When Sugar was young, his family lived in a council flat. Because of his profuse, curly hair, he was nicknamed "Mop head", a name that he still goes by in the present day. He attended Northwold Primary School and then Brooke House Secondary School in Upper Clapton, Hackney, and made extra money by working at a greengrocers. After leaving school at the age of sixteen, he worked briefly for the civil service as a statistician at the Ministry of Education. He began selling radio aerials for cars and other electrical goods out of a van which he had bought for £50 and insured for £8. To afford this, he withdrew all of his postal savings which totalled just £100


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Sugar

No $413 million handouts from daddy, Alan Sugar did it all himself.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 01:28 pm
@InfraBlue,
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Cory Booker is among those that Sarsour was referring to, "folks who masquerade as progressives."


She's right about that. Booker has been changing his costumes based on the way the political wind has been blowing since he got into the game.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 01:36 pm
@hightor,
The 1st Amendment guarantees them the right to practice their religion and it's certainly the case that if someone believes they have, in doing so, violated someone else's rights they can file suit or some local Human Rights board can fine them...as has happened. The judiciary and ultimately the USSC not you or me get to decide which "right" is paramount and in what manner. Simply because you and others find these issues contentious, doesn't make them wrong under the law.

BTW - All that can be done about Islamists trying to violate your right to live, is to kill them.



Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 01:42 pm
@hightor,
I'm one of those cretins and I do it because it tends to drive Democrats nutz.

Democrats are bad news and they would like to take away people's gunz. Just ask that cretin Eric Swalwell who the instant I first saw him on TV I thought of the politician in Stephen King's "Deadzone"

Now tell me you don't think Republicans are bad news who want to take your free birth control away.
hightor
 
  5  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 02:04 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Simply because you and others find these issues contentious, doesn't make them wrong under the law.

Maybe not the way the law is interpreted by politically conservative jurists...and that's the issue. As the courts have gradually been filled with more and more conservatives — and I'm not going there — we've seen more and more longstanding interpretations of constitutional law revisited and changed to fit the current political climate, as with the Heller decision. Yes, I know it's all legal. And that's the reason secularists want to keep an eye focused on the religious right's efforts to Christianize the country and tear down the old "wall of separation" between church and state. (This is a wall that Trump should be building.) The issue needs to be kept in the public eye so that candidates for office can refer to these controversies, get elected, and help confirm secular judges.
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All that can be done about Islamists trying to violate your right to live, is to kill them.

Well, no — you could always convert.

Thing is, Finn, there are, what, a billion and a half Muslims, maybe more? How many of them are violent extremists? Hell, a good number of those extremists seem more interested in killing other Muslims than Westerners. Most of the violence occurs in what your president refers to as "shithole" countries so maybe, in the long run, international aid and economic development represent the best solution.
hightor
 
  7  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 02:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Democrats are bad news and they would like to take away people's gunz.

Generalize much?

I thought expanded background checks, permitting, outlawing high-capacity magazines and militarized stocks, etc was the goal. Swalwell's comments were sensationalized by the right.
Quote:

What's True:

In a tweet on 16 November, Swalwell responded to a gun rights enthusiast who said the Democrats' proposal to confiscate or buy semi-automatic rifles would result in "war" due to resistance from the gun owners, stating "it would be a short war" because "the government has nukes."
What's False:

Swalwell quickly insisted that his reference to the government's possession of nuclear weapons was intended as no more than a joke and emphasized that he was not warning gun owners about such a response to their (hypothetical) resistance to gun confiscation.

(Snopes)

I don't think gun owners have much to worry about — other than letting cretins like Joe "Rambo" Biggs speak for them.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 02:37 pm
@hightor,
You brought up Salwell's nukes comment not me.

Defensive much?

In another post, you wrote something along the lines of "And we all know how much Republicans care about democracy"

Generalize and hyperbolize (if that's a word) much?

The Democrat Party is bad news. You obviously disagree, but what else is news?
hightor
 
  5  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 04:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Defensive much?

I don't understand your insinuation here. You mentioned Salwell, who I hadn't even heard of. I wondered who he was, checked out a few stories, thought that one was interesting and copied it for the edification of all. I never thought you were referencing the "nukes" comment, as you said you saw him on TV and didn't approve of his appearance and demeanor. What would I be getting "defensive" about?
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In another post, you wrote something along the lines of "And we all know how much Republicans care about democracy"

So what? It was a dig.
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Generalize and hyperbolize (if that's a word) much?

Sure I do. I wrote about the tendency to generalize in a recent post. It's very common in a forum situation where a sort of shorthand develops because people know the positions of other members and respond on a conversational level. And as I've said before, I try to find good things to say about particular members of groups that I often criticize. For instance, having criticized my defeated Republican congressman, I'm proud to refer you to a story about the defeated Republican who ran for governor:

After votes are counted, Shawn Moody and Bruce Poliquin present a study in contrast

And, believe it or not, I've said critical things about the Democrat Party and individual Democrats.

And I'm seriously — "severely" as Mitt Romney would say — opposed to Islamofascism, too.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 20 Nov, 2018 05:09 pm
@InfraBlue,
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Sarsour was referring to, "folks who masquerade as progressives.

Like she has not masqueraded as someone who supports women's rights. She supports Sharia. You have deflected to take the blame somewhere else than on the anti-Semitic Left and the Democrats who enable them.
Builder
 
  -2  
Wed 21 Nov, 2018 04:12 am
@Lash,
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It’s a joke to call them the Democratic Party.


At this point in time, I'd agree totally.

But it's a temporary hitch.

The takeover was contractual, so it must have a sunset clause.

Or one would hope.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Wed 21 Nov, 2018 06:49 am
@Builder,
At this point it's a joke to call Republicans as such, since it means originally something like: someone caring for the public good.
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InfraBlue
 
  4  
Wed 21 Nov, 2018 08:17 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

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Sarsour was referring to, "folks who masquerade as progressives.

Like she has not masqueraded as someone who supports women's rights. She supports Sharia. You have deflected to take the blame somewhere else than on the anti-Semitic Left and the Democrats who enable them.


No, I responded to an assertion you made, that "hating Jews is being normalized and Democrats are helping," that you tried to justify with other assertions made about Sarsour, "Muslim activist Sarsour accuses American Jews of dual loyalty to Israel." I pointed out that she was referring to "folks who masquerade as progressives." She didn't mention Jews.
revelette1
 
  4  
Wed 21 Nov, 2018 08:32 am
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Turkey accuses U.S. of turning blind eye to Saudi killing of Khashoggi

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkey accused the United States on Wednesday of trying to turn a blind eye to the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, and dismissed comments from President Donald Trump on the issue as "comic".

Trump vowed on Tuesday to remain a "steadfast partner" of Saudi Arabia, despite saying that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman may have known about the plan to murder to Khashoggi, a U.S. resident and Washington Post columnist.

Of the possibility Prince Mohammed had a hand in the murder, Trump said: "Maybe he did, maybe he didn't". His comments contradicted the CIA, which believes Khashoggi's death was ordered directly by the crown prince, Saudi Arabia's de facto ruler.

Numan Kurtulmus, the deputy chairman of President Tayyip Erdogan's AK Party, dismissed Trump's assessment. "Yesterday's statement is a comic statement," he told state broadcaster TRT Haber.

"It is not possible for an intelligence agency such as the CIA, which even knows the color of the fur on the cat walking around the Saudi consulate's garden ... to not know who gave this order," he said. "This is not credible either for U.S. public opinion or the world public opinion."




Reuters
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Wed 21 Nov, 2018 10:41 am
@revelette1,
Trump broke his word on Jamal Khashoggi — plain and simple
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President Trump’s statement giving Saudi Arabia’s royal family a pass for the slaying of Jamal Khashoggi was remarkable. The logic he used was often nonsensical, the numbers he used were fictional, and he ignored legitimate arguments in favor of getting tough.

But equally problematic is this: He went back on his word.

Trump spent most of the weeks after Khashoggi’s disappearance making the case for a tempered response and even promoting narratives that didn’t implicate Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman or King Salman. Yet occasionally when he granted the premise that they might have been involved, he suggested the punishment would be severe.

“It’s a terrible, terrible precedent,” he said Oct. 11. “We can’t let it happen. And we’re being very tough.”

In an Oct. 14 interview with “60 Minutes,” he was asked about the prospect of Mohammed having ordered the killing. “It’s being looked at very, very strongly, and we would be very upset and angry if that were the case.”

Then on Oct. 18: “We’re waiting for some investigations. . . . and I think we’ll be making a statement — a very strong statement. It’ll have to be very severe.”

He went even stronger Oct. 23: “Whoever thought of that idea, I think, is in big trouble. And they should be in big trouble, okay?”

He added that day: “Certainly it would be a very bad thing in terms of relationship. It would take a while to rebuild.”

None of this appears to apply anymore. Trump is suggesting we’ll never really know what happened, even as the CIA is preparing to report that it has high confidence that Mohammed ordered Khashoggi’s murder.

But Trump didn’t stop there Tuesday; he also said it doesn’t really matter whether Mohammed ordered it — such is the importance, in his telling, of our reliance upon Saudi Arabia. “Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information,” he said in his statement, “but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event — maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!” Then he continued making the case for new punishment for Mohammed.

That’s Trump basically throwing up his hands and saying it doesn’t really matter whether Mohammed ordered it. And that doesn’t comport with what he said before. It doesn’t make sense after saying it would be a “very bad thing in terms of our relationship” and that whoever was responsible “should be in big trouble.” It doesn’t make sense from a president who has promised “very severe” punishment for the perpetrators. Trump hasn’t projected any of the anger he promised in that “60 Minutes” interview if he found out Mohammed was responsible. And the “terrible, terrible precedent” that would be set is now being shrugged off.

Trump seemed to be betting heavily on the idea that the intelligence would never directly implicate Mohammed. He offered numerous alternative narratives — some of them coming directly from the Saudis. But he always said there would be severe punishment if that were eventually found to be the case.

Now it has, and he’s taken it all back.
 

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