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@coldjoint,

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So the OP-Ed is totally out of line if they truly work there and undermining a president this way is sedition and treason.

Not sure of your meaning here. Friedman doesn't work in the White House.

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Sedition:
Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against lawful authority.

Trump apparently has a short attention span, is vindictive, regularly disregards diplomacy, dismisses science, lies repeatedly, and promotes civil division — if the people around him don't believe he's capable of performing his duties as president, thwarting his more destructive behavior begins to look downright patriotic.

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Treason:
Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.

One would have to be a card-carrying statist to put the well-being of a particular government over the well-being of one's country and the world. A spy who divulges military secrets to an enemy could be considered a traitor but refusing to participate in destructive policies or carry out the whims of an incompetent executive is hardly treasonous.

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Stop the moralizing.

Hey, you're the guy who accused someone of being a "hater" without providing any evidence.

So, how about that ballooning deficit? What about atmospheric carbon levels? Can you defend Trump's military "strategy"?

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@hightor,

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Trump ... dismisses science, lies repeatedly,

So do the vast majority of Americans, hightor, you included. They are all just sneakier, more covert about their lying.

You won't even discuss science or the facts.

You and others maintain that your science/truth is the best of the best, completely irrefutable but you can't seem to mount any actual defense for it.

That is lying by omission, grievously so. On a trumpian level.

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@hightor,

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. . .Trump apparently has a short attention span, is vindictive, regularly disregards diplomacy, dismisses science, lies repeatedly, and promotes civil division — if the people around him don't believe he's capable of performing his duties as president, thwarting his more destructive behavior begins to look downright patriotic. . . .

So, is there anything you don't like about the man?

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@hightor,

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Hey, you're the guy who accused someone of being a "hater" without providing any evidence.

You took that to mean personal hate, I meant the globalists hate his policies, are you going to deny that? Just a reminder when I ask people to prove what they say about haters they do not even answer. Maybe someone will return the favor one day.

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So, how about that ballooning deficit? What about atmospheric carbon levels? Can you defend Trump's military "strategy"?

Trump wanted money for the military. That answers two of your questions.

The carbon levels are a joke as long as China and India continue to pollute the air that travels around the world. Carbon emissions are a scheme to tax and redistribute wealth. Trump has shown us we do much better than so many countries by relaxing regulations and it means jobs. Where exactly is the air not safe to breathe around you not due to natural disaster or accident?

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https://www.salon.com/2018/09/09/merrick-garland-asked-to-probe-perjury-allegations-against-brett-kavanaugh/

Shocked

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Merrick Garland may play a role in the vacant Supreme Court seat after all. A liberal group has filed a criminal complaint against Brett Kavanaugh for allegedly perjuring himself in front of the Senate judiciary committee. Garland, who is the chief judge of the D.C. federal circuit, was asked to rule upon the complaint or appoint a special panel of jurists to investigate the allegations.

The Democratic Coalition, a group led by Jon Cooper and Scott Dworkin, claim that Kavanaugh lied under oath before the Senate back in 2004 and 2006 when he said he was unaware he read and used stolen emails in 2002. Kavanaugh was going through the hearing process in those years to become a federal district and appellate judge, respectively.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, who was on the Senate judiciary committee back in the mid-2000s, asked Kavanaugh if he was involved in the stolen email scandal while he worked in the Bush White House in the early 2000s. Kavanaugh said he was unaware that emails were stolen at the time, and insisted that if he did know, he would would have blown the whistle on his colleagues. Fast forward to 2018, Leahy, still on the Senate judiciary committee, introduced new evidence that suggested Kavanaugh handled emails that were stolen during that time period.

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@ehBeth,

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Kavanaugh for allegedly perjuring himself

If he did, he had plenty of help. The questions from Democrats were aimed specifically to cause that. Whether it worked or not boils down to another legal clusterJustin.

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@ehBeth,

Ouch!

(possible thought current in Garland's brain right now): "Revenge is a dish best served cold. Ha ha, take that Mitchy McConnell!"

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@coldjoint,

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You took that to mean personal hate, I meant the globalists hate his policies, are you going to deny that? Just a reminder when I ask people to prove what they say about haters they do not even answer. Maybe someone will return the favor one day.

You should have been more clear.

These folks don't want to engage on things that they support where they know full well they are totally wrong about. But that is you too, cj. You and them all sit rowing in the communal skiff where science and the truth are swiftly tossed overboard.

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Trump wanted money for the military. That answers two of your questions.

For what? more illegal invasions, more terrorist actions against other countries? Hasn't the US killed enough children, parents, aunts, uncles, ... ?

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The carbon levels are a joke as long as China and India continue to pollute the air that travels around the world.

Those are countries trying to develop their economies, which the US has long pretended they wanted and now, in the usual US manner, whines petulantly and hypocritically about.

Notice that the USA is number two polluter in the world, cj. Did you know that the US military is one of the biggest polluters in the world? And that doesn't even include the destruction they cause.

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@camlok,

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You had interest until you knew your position has no evidence, no science, nothing at all to support it.

Wrong on both counts.

I've never had the slightest bit of interest. When I addressed your nonsense at all, it was only because you kept going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it.

And all of the science and evidence backs me completely and contradicts you completely.

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Using these lame excuses is the definition of intellectual coward.

Not having much interest in nonsensical gibberish is hardly a lame excuse.

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@coldjoint,

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Quote:@ehBeth,
Kavanaugh for allegedly perjuring himself

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If he did, he had plenty of help. The questions from Democrats were aimed specifically to cause that.

One can only perjure HIMSELF/HERSELF no matter what questions are asked.

Like you often do in these threads.

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'Snyder, writing about effective resistance to the slide toward dictatorship, stresses a point the others neglect: the role of truth. It’s worth, because strikingly apt for this moment in America, going back to the great literary scholar Victor Klemperer (writing about Nazi propaganda). In The Language of the Third Reich (1947), Klemperer observes that truth dies in four modes:

—Open hostility to verifiable reality. Lies and intentions are presented as facts. Even the easy availability of the truth does not deflect Trump from tall tales. The lies come at a fast pace. One serious effort to track his 2016 campaign statements found that 78 percent of what he claimed as facts were false.

—Repetition as a kind of incantation. Klemperer said the Fascist style involved “endless repetition”. After a while, fiction starts seeming like fact. The repetition of “Crooked Hillary” may have been more effective than the presentation of any evidence.

—Magic, the open embrace of contradiction. Thus, in the same paragraph, a candidate promises tax cuts, elimination of the national debt, and a massive increase in the military budget. Reason is blatantly cast aside. A student told Klemperer to abandon logic and just “focus on the Fuhrer’s greatness”.

—And exactly that faith is Klemperer’s fourth mode. The aspiring dictator will ask his followers to believe that only he can solve their problems. When the war was lost, a soldier who had suffered amputation said to Klemperer that Hitler “has never lied yet. I believe in Hitler.”'

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@coluber2001,

The parallels to the USA are uncanny.

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Very interesting and salient Josh Marshall podcast interview with James Clapper Here

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@blatham,

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with James Clapper

A proven liar.

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@blatham,

You seem to have quite the admiration for liars, terrorists and war criminals, Bernie.

Did you do a stint in the US military?

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Well, I read the Woodward "Fear" book. While it was interesting to read such revealing conversations among Trump's staff, it was kind of a let down. But it was not with some eye catching moments.

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9/11 Is Far From Over

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Since September 11, 2001 about 3 million Muslims have been allowed into our country and the number of radicalizing mosques and Islamist Imams – many funded by the Islamist sympathizing governments of Turkey, the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia – has risen accordingly.

As long as American politicians and opinion leaders refuse to acknowledge that Islamism – not “terrorism” – is the ideology behind 9/11, and as long as our government refuses to battle that ideology, then Aymen al-Zawahiri will safely commute between Iran and Pakistan, Adnan G. El Shukrijumah will continue helping to run al Qaeda’s operations from Pakistan, Saif al-Adl will continue to operate out of Iran, the Blind Sheik’s understudies will continue to plot right here in America, and 9/11 will never be over.

Islamism is inspired by Islam, who would have guessed? Time for the media to explain what Islam really says.
http://www.conservativehq.com/node/28712

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@coldjoint,

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9/11 Is Far From Over

True, cj. Just like the lies of the Gulf of Tonkin saw US war crimes/genocides/terrorism decimate SE Asia, so too are the US government lies about 9/11 decimating the Muslim world, the world where brown skinned people have oil wealth and other wealth that the US wants to steal.

The truly evil thing is that you and other are giving your full support even when you know it was the US government who blew up WTCs 1, 2 and 7. Science says so as does common sense, which is something that is, apparently, wholly absent in the USA.

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@coldjoint,

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and 9/11 will never be over.

"commie, commie" was wearing thin even for the dumbest of the dumb USians so a new boogeyman was needed to frighten the sheeple. Look how easily y'all have been duped again.

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@coldjoint,

coldjoint wrote:

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with James Clapper

A proven liar.

That's just not true, but I bet it makes you feel superior to repeat that nonsense.

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