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revelette1
 
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Thu 23 Aug, 2018 09:48 am
Meanwhile the trade war with China is heating up.
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camlok
 
  -1  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 09:52 am
@hightor,
You sure are selectively incisive, hightor. Why?
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:08 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
I sometimes wonder if there is one redeeming character quality in Donald Trump.

There is. His love for his country. He puts it above everything else. And that bugs the **** out of you doesn't it? Take a look at this character.
https://politicalmayhem.news/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/untitled.png
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:15 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
to quote you

Quote:
Dershowitz: Candidate Entitled To Pay Hush Money, Committed No Election Crime


I do not have a problem with you telling me what statute Trump or Cohen violated by making these payments. Please go right ahead and post the law, statute, they broke. Should I wait?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html
revelette1
 
  6  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:23 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Please go right ahead and post the law they broke


Federal Election Act which regulates money in politics.

Quote:
One day after his former lawyer pleaded guilty to eight felonies, President Donald Trump argued that the two in which he was most directly implicated — the violations of campaign finance law — aren’t actually crimes.

Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs “in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office” — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway.

All of these admissions, as the Judge presiding over the case, William H. Pauley III, said in court Tuesday, rendered Cohen’s actions a felony: he knew he was breaking the law — specifically the Federal Election Act, which regulates money in politics — and he did it anyway. If he had no knowledge he was doing anything illegal, but merely donated more money than the federally allotted limit, he potentially could have faced a less severe repercussion, such as a monetary fine from the Federal Election Commission.

“The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,” explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.


http://time.com/5374619/donald-trump-campaign-finance-law-crimes/

Quote:
Legal experts were particularly baffled by the breezy way in which Trump said campaign finance violations weren’t a crime, highlighting the lack of knowledge it seems to show about the legal system as a whole. There’s no way a federal judge would let someone plea to something that wasn’t a crime,” said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor. “That’s not how it works.”

Added Hasen: “It’s not only non accurate, it’s nonsensical. Why would you plead guilty to a crime that carries five years in jail if it was not a crime?”
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revelette1
 
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Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:46 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Cohen broke campaign finance law by making an unlawful corporate contribution to Donald Trump's campaign. According to the indictment, he "caused a corporation to make a contribution and expenditure...to the campaign of a candidate for President of the United States." Cohen was repaid by Trump through the Trump Organization, and corporations are not allowed to make contributions to campaigns.

Cohen also ran afoul of individual contribution limits, the indictment says, exceeding the individual contribution limit of $2,700 per election.
As for the president, under federal law, candidates are not allowed to accept corporate contributions.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-cohens-plea-says-about-trump-and-campaign-finance-violations/

Again lest you bring Obama again, the main difference is intent and willfully committing campaign violations which makes it a federal crime as has been stated over and over again.

Give it up, you are wrong in you assertion there is no crime.
Blickers
 
  6  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:50 am
@coldjoint,
Quote coldjoint:
Quote:
That may be true but what is the crime, what statute did those payments violate. You need to cite the statute.

No she doesn't. What evidence do you ever post?

However, just for the hell of it, Count Seven and Count Eight, quoted here, give the violations and the criminal punishments they carry. This is Cohen's plea deal.

Quote:
Count Seven of the Information charges the defendant with will?ll 1y causing an unlawful
corporate contribution, from at least in or about June 2016, up to and including in or about October
2016, in violation of 52 U.S.C. 3011801) 35 30109(d)(1)(A), and 18 U.S.C. Count Seven
carries a maximum term of imprisonment of 5 years; a maximum term of supervised release of 3
years;
a maximum ?ne of $250,000, twice the gross pecuniary gain derived from the offense, or
twice the gross pecuniary loss to persons other than the defendant resulting from the offense; and
a $100 mandatory special assessment.

Count Eight of the Information charges the defendant with making an excessive campaign
contribution, on or about October 27, 2016, in violation of 52 U.S.C. 30116(a)(1)(A),
30116(a)(7) 3r. 30109(d)(l)(A), and 18 U.S.C. Count Eight carries a maximum term of
imprisonment of 5 years; a maximum term of supervised release of 3 years;
a maximum ?ne of
$250,000, twice the gross pecuniary gain derived from the offense, or twice the gross pecuniary
loss to persons other than the defendant resulting from the offense, and a $100 mandatory special
assessment.

Source

Members might wish to copy and save, apparently the Trump side is going to be demanding specific laws from now on, figuring nobody is going to bother.
coldjoint
 
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Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:53 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Cohen broke campaign finance law

That is a funny way to spell Trump. Trump broke no laws. Correct?
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:55 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
No she doesn't. What evidence do you ever post?

What Cohen says is not evidence. He has serious credibility issues. And Cohen can break all the laws he wants. That does not mean Trump did. Also it has to be proven and Cohen's plea deal does not cut it. You still have the big 0.
Blickers
 
  4  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 10:58 am
@coldjoint,
Cohen broke the law at the direction of Trump. Cohen is admitting he broke the law. Trump at that point becomes an unindicted co-conspirator.
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coldjoint
 
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Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:02 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
Cohen broke the law at the direction of Trump.

Prove it. Cohen's accusations are useless in a court of law. It is a he said, he said situation.
Quote:
Trump at that point becomes an unindicted co-conspirator.

So what? Is there a specific penalty? CAIR is an unidicted co-conspirator, what happened to them? Does equal justice mean anything to you people? I didn't think so.
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revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:06 am
National Enquire Boss granted Immunity in Cohen case.

https://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn%3Fsr
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Blickers
 
  5  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:09 am
@coldjoint,
Nixon was an unindicted co-conspirator and had to resign in the face of certain impeachment. He was about to face charges when Ford pardoned him. How ignorant can you get, posting that unindicted co-conspirator means nothing? We know you're old enough to remember this.
Blickers
 
  4  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:12 am
@coldjoint,
And by the way, it is well established law that when you have a conspiracy, the guy who gives the orders gets more time than the guy who follows the orders and actually executes the crime. And you didn't even know that?
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:14 am
20 years ago Democrats said Bill Clinton's personal life was no ones business. What happened and why have they applied a different standard to Trumps personal life?

Would anyone like to answer how payments to women affect anything vital like national security, or long standing commitments, or endanger the democracy that we hear so much about?
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:20 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
How ignorant can you get

I have a long way to go before I catch up to you. Anything else?
izzythepush
 
  5  
Thu 23 Aug, 2018 11:21 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

How ignorant can you get,


Is that a challenge?

I reckon he's up for it.
 

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